I am so disappointed in not hearing one iota on this new documentary from DU members

[riverbendviewgal]

I am astounded that no one has posted about this movie..

Last Saturday I saw this movie. Revolution . It is a documentary about our Earth.

Did you know the Canadian tar sands cover the area as big as England and Wales ?
Did you know Canada is the worst polluter in the world because of the tar sands?

Did you know that the oceans are dying and that we could have no sea life in 20 - 30 years?

I thought this movie so profound that I hope to to take all my friends it.
It should be shown in ALL schools..

It is beautifully filmed. Such beauty in our oceans and land and we are destroying it.

There will be no politics if we are all dead or dying.
http://www.therevolutionmovie.com/

[SummerSnow]

1. sounds interesting ...i will check it out.thanks.

[Cleita]

2. Thanks for telling us about this. I didn't even know

this movie existed. That's how little press it's gotten here.

[riverbendviewgal]

3. I presume no press is because the mass media is in the corporation pockets

They would be very alarmed that people actually learn facts that this movie presents..

All school children should see it. They are the future and it is their future that greed and profit is destroying.

[brooklynite]

5. ...or because the average American isn't interested in documentaries?

And the media delivers what the public wants?

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Because it is not released in the US until Fall.

There is no such thing as a interest of 'the average American'. What there is is box office money for documentaries that far outpaces that take from 20 years ago. Documentaries have never been so popular nor so lucrative as they are in the current market, and that is a trend as well as a current fact.

[Journeyman]

4. Kind of hard to get excited about a movie that won't hit US theaters for another 6 months. . .

On the home page you link to, the release date is April 12 in Canada, Fall 2013 in the US.

[riverbendviewgal]

6. Didn't realize that

please be sure to see it when it comes your way.

[SamKnause]

7. Movie

I have seen the trailer for this movie.

It may have been on this site or Democracy Now.

It will not be released until the fall in the U.S.

[olddots]

8. American Winter was a documentary that came and went too.

I posted about it before it came out =post sank like a rock. maybe a documentary forum/group should be started.

[otohara]

12. That's A Good Idea

Studios don't spend much $$$ to advertise these films.

[SoCalDem]

31. and they are often not even shown in corporate theatres..

sometimes the only way to see them is to watch for them on the DOC channel a few years later

[OneGrassRoot]

37. That's a great idea. I posted about it, too.

There are quite a few good ones trying to raise funds to distribute via DVD and other means, and I'd love to brainstorm how to help them.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. It has not been released in the US as yet, but it is getting major buzz at festival screenings

in advance of release later this year. It should be in Canada first because Rob Stewart is Canadian, and this is a Canadian film. Be proud, it will do well here and around the world....

[sheshe2]

11. Thank you for the heads up.

When it opens here I will be sure to watch, riverbendviewgal.

[hfojvt]

13. dang, and just when I thought Bush had done something positive

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4400256&mesg_id=4400403

[Ellipsis]

14. You're a DU memember....

just sayin'

[NCTraveler]

15. If it makes a claim like this....

"Did you know that the oceans are dying and that we could have no sea life in 20 - 30 years?"

I will be sure to miss it. It is support of claims like this that makes us look like shit. We have a serious problem, and if this is truly an assertion in the documentary, it will be turned into a joke. As it should be. With all of the current data proving the damage being done by humans, why make a claim that is obviously false? I understand that the word "could" was put in there as a weasel word. The fact is it couldn't without some other external factor that isn't currently present.

[riverbendviewgal]

17. Your choice

Can you provide a link to back up what you believe in?
You have not seen the movie, eh?

please see it in the fall when it comes your way, before you give it your final opinion.

My mom said I was weird when I was a kid....I would go to my room and read....I read a lot of scientific and geography articles, books and go to lectures.....

I have come out and said MY country is the worst polluter in the world....I do know a lot about my country's actions and how it is effecting the world

To each his own belief.

Peace and Love

[NCTraveler]

21. Link to back up what?

"Did you know that the oceans are dying and that we could have no sea life in 20 - 30 years?"

This is from your op. It looks like you were claiming that the movie made an attempt to back up this claim. Why are you asking me to back up anything. It is your op. It is clearly a false claim. If you would like to back up the claim made in your op, go ahead. I really don't expect you to as the claim is clearly false. Do you believe that there will be no sea life in the oceans in 30 years? I doubt it.

[riverbendviewgal]

26. how is it false

clearly. who are your sources that say that the oceans will not be dead?
the movie does have their sources, in video with credentials.

I am an evolutionist.....I believe in science and critical thinking.

from the movie.

Now, with his new book and film, he's sounding an ambitious alarm on a much bigger cause: the future of humanity.

"This century we're facing some pretty catastrophic consequences of our actions," an impassioned and fact-filled Stewart, 32, said in a recent interview.

"We're facing a world by 2050 that has no fish, no reefs, no rainforest, and nine billion people on a planet that already can't sustain seven billion people. So it's going to be a really dramatic century unless we do something about it."

Stewart is delivering his grave and urgent message in his recently published memoir, "Save the Humans" (Random House of Canada), and the documentary "Revolution," premiering Wednesday at the Toronto International Film Festival.

The book is chock-full of sobering statistics about the massive depletion of fish populations as well as the wide-reaching threat of ocean acidification.

[NCTraveler]

28. Then show the science....

to back up the ridiculous assertion that there will be no life in the sea in 30 years. The claim was made in your op.

I am confident that shit like this is done by rwingers trying to make environmentalists look like fools.

What is going to cause all of the life in the oceans to die within 30 years? Give me something that makes you think that.

It is funny that you are asking me to back it up. It is a very weak debating tactic. You put something obviously not true out there, I call you on it, then you ask me to back up my claim. Please back up the ORIGINAL claim made in your op.

[riverbendviewgal]

29. Ocean acidification and overfishing.

Now, with his new book and film, he's sounding an ambitious alarm on a much bigger cause: the future of humanity.

"This century we're facing some pretty catastrophic consequences of our actions," an impassioned and fact-filled Stewart, 32, said in a recent interview.

"We're facing a world by 2050 that has no fish, no reefs, no rainforest, and nine billion people on a planet that already can't sustain seven billion people. So it's going to be a really dramatic century unless we do something about it."

Stewart is delivering his grave and urgent message in his recently published memoir, "Save the Humans" (Random House of Canada), and the documentary "Revolution," premiering Wednesday at the Toronto International Film Festival.

The book is chock-full of sobering statistics about the massive depletion of fish populations as well as the wide-reaching threat of ocean acidification.

also see
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/death-oceans/

But the soundtrack was, for the most part, a litany of stark warnings and dire statistics: our seas fished clean by 2050; all coral poised to die from ocean acidification unless the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is drastically reduced; all whale conversations eventually drowned out by our increasingly noisy shipping.

[NCTraveler]

33. Not one single shred of science.

I do agree that there is a massive depletion of certain species going on right now, and that is dangerous. Many countries are taking drastic steps to help stem that problem. Other countries are looking away. Look at the drastic measures taken toward Tuna in the Atlantic, Grouper and Snook in Florida, Salmon in Alaska. Other countries are taking notice at the negative effects of unregulated fisheries.

Still, not one thing there to back up the obviously false claim about ocean life. Once again, I feel claims like this are being made to make environmentalists look bad. No one can back up that claim with science.

[riverbendviewgal]

34. hmm your opinion is interesting.

[NCTraveler]

36. I really don't blame you for resorting to emoticons.

"Did you know that the oceans are dying and that we could have no sea life in 20 - 30 years? "

My opinion is that this is a completely false claim, and you don't seem to be able to back the claim up with anything. The scientist attempting to make this claim is a quack. Making claims like this does nothing but damage the fight to help improve the environment.

[antigone382]

40. So, perhaps the specific phrase "no life in the oceans" is an exaggeration or a misstatement...

...by the OP, as i don't see that specific wording in any of the quotes posted as support. Algae and jellyfish are enormously resilient beings, and no doubt there will be other resilient creatures present. By way of illustration (though of course I recognize the ecological issues are quite different in many respects), there is "life" in the dead zone at the mouth of the Mississippi river in the Gulf of Mexico, but it is not the diverse sort of ecosystem that we are used to seeing there, and which is capable of providing sustenance to humans and other beings that have depended on the ocean's bounty in the past.

Nevertheless, there is compelling evidence that life in the sea will be almost unrecognizable; ocean acidification *is* well established science, and it has grave implications for the calcium bicarbonate-shelled lifeforms that are the basis of the ocean's food chain. Such a possibility has been brokered by the NOAA itself. It also has consequences for the coral reefs that act as nurseries for many species of fish. This, combined with pressures from the volume and destructiveness of human fishing activities, makes significant ocean ecosystem change a very real possibility, and one that has consequences for human life and livelihoods tantamount to the "end of life" in the ocean.

I understand the frustration with scientific findings that are subject to overwrought hyperbole and imprecise use in the media and among those outside the scientific community. At the same time, the general public and our policy-makers are *underestimating* environmental consequences to a degree which, in its consequences, far exceeds such alarmism.

[riverbendviewgal]

41. Thank you for your commment

you stated it very well...

[antigone382]

46. No problem. I understand the need for scientific precision, but the larger point is what matters.

And in that, I agree with you fully. I would really like to see this documentary when it comes out. I am crossing my fingers that Obama will make the right decision regarding Keystone XL, although there is reason to doubt it, unfortunately.

[NCTraveler]

44. Excellent post.

Claims like the one in the op really piss me off. Maybe it is a personal thing. They are used in the public to make environmentalist look crazy. And the truth is, the claim made is crazy. There is so much science out there showing the damage that we are doing to the environment, why make shit up. A war is being waged by humans against the environment. Science proves it.

[antigone382]

45. I understand, but there's a difference between making stuff up and what I think the poster did.

What is happening is alarming, and on a scale that is difficult to comprehend. It is easy for a layperson grappling with the reality of environmental degradation and its consequences for human life to go from "life in the oceans could be seriously transformed, with many species facing the threat of extinction" to "the end of all life in the ocean." I certainly want to encourage the use of precise terms, but I personally prefer to approach it from a perspective of understanding and finding common ground. In the long run I have found it more effective, and I make friends out of people with whom I agree about the generalities, if not the particulars.

In reality, we will never be able to eliminate all overly alarmist claims--with recent findings tending towards the more dramatic and destructive side of previous predictions, it is hard to say precisely where unsubstantiated alarmism even begins. However, where there is one ostensibly hyperbolic claim, there will be a dozen well-funded deniers with even less scientifically valid worldviews using it to discredit all of the very good science out there. Those are the people who should be the subjects of dismissal and scorn.

[Hubert Flottz]

16. K&R

Awesome film.

[MFM008]

18. thanks

now I want to stick my head under what water there is left.

[90-percent]

19. Here's an irony

The Social Security fund, as it stands now, is fully healthy and funded for the next 20 to 30 years without adjustments or tweaks.

Therefore, the life of Social Security may outlive that of planet earth itself.

Speaks loudly to the absurdity of cutting SS at a time when there are extremely urgent life and death issues concerning all life on mother earth.

(Along with SS being mutually exclusive to any part of the national debt/budget in the first place)

ALL OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE INFESTED WITH CORRUPT SOCIOPATHS.

Future generations, if humanity survives much longer, will all be asking, why didn't those bastards from 1970 to now not doing anything about global climate change? Why did they wreak this totally unnecessary and solvable disaster on generations yet to be born?

It's the capture of all our institutions by greedy sociopaths, stupid!

-90% Jimmy

[riverbendviewgal]

20. I agree

with you. My son is very interested in tech future...but if there is no food or water where is the future?
Only the elites will have it....

[90-percent]

22. I'm a Baby Boomer

My generations have left a future for your son as bleak as mother Susan Smith left her two young sons back in 1994. It would still be pretty bleak even if global climate change did not exist. My generation robbed the young of a hopeful future and a life of happiness. Replaced with a life of economic servitude.

I was born the same year as Lloyd Blankfein.

-90% again.

[riverbendviewgal]

24. Me and Arnold Schwarzenegger

are born in the same year....

I am one of the first boomers....We sure went through a lot of history.

I believed the age of Aquarius would happen...now I not so sure.

[SunSeeker]

23. I'll make sure to see it when it releases in the U.S. in the fall. nt

[KauaiK]

25. Moby Duck - good book re the environment

[riverbendviewgal]

27. I did a paper on Moby Dick

yes one of the themes is man against the environment

.

[KauaiK]

50. The title of the book I am talking about is Moby DUCK - not the classic Moby Dick by Melville

Moby DUCK is a new book about the environment and what we are doing to the oceans.

[Alva Goldbook]

30. You can thank capitalism for that one.

Capitalism assumes the world is an endless resource as well as an endless trashcan. We'll never fix our environment unless we abolish capitalism. Quite frankly, I think we're more likely to go extinct.

[riverbendviewgal]

32. sadly, I agree with you

the elite will last longer, but they too will die off.

Maybe that is why the race to space is speeding up...they are planning to escape.

[JNelson6563]

35. This looks like a great movie!

I will definitely have to see it.

Thanks for posting!

Julie

[freshwest]

38. Most of us knew all of these things years ago. The Revolution© is from the top down.

[riverbendviewgal]

43. Most of us here know this but

ask anyone else in your own area if they even heard of the tar sands or the ocean over fishing. They probably don't and also really don't care.

[raouldukelives]

39. Looks like a good one. Thanks for the heads-up!

Did you know that every investor in Wall St is aiding and abetting in the destruction for their own short term gain?
Make sure to thank one when you meet them.

[riverbendviewgal]

42. Thanks and put it on your calendar for fall

Also I wish there was a way to put my money safely to good instead of the banks...Lately I am thinking of real estate. I don't own at the moment.

[AverageJoe90]

47. It sounds good, but.....

"No sea life in 20-30 years?" That's just fucking absurd, I'm sorry. Even Yellowstone or a thermonuclear war(both worse than global warming, btw) couldn't do THAT. Such shame; hopefully it's just an isolated mix-up because the premise DOES sounds interesting, TBH.

[Scuba]

48. Kick

[dipsydoodle]

49. Kick.

.

[BethanyQuartz]

51. Well now we know thanks for the info

Going to have to go see this. I definitely didn't know Canada has become the worst polluter in the world. How sad.

[LWolf]

52. For my part:

I don't watch much tv. I don't watch any tv news or talk. I don't see many films. I just don't resonate with the medium.

You aren't hearing from me because I'm not likely to have heard about it, or have seen it. If it were playing on the few occasions that I plan to see a film, I might consider it. It's not. It isn't playing in a theater near me, and it hasn't. When I check your link, I don't see it playing anywhere in the U.S..

Why would you be disappointed in not hearing anything about a documentary that most of us haven't had access to?

[riverbendviewgal]

53. i apologize.

I Did not realize it was not playing in the USA until later in the year.

[LWolf]

57. Be sure to look for it again

when it opens in the U.S.. I'm sure there will be plenty here to discuss it then.

[Marrah_G]

54. Hadn't heard anything about it

thank you for the link

[Honeycombe8]

55. I just heard about it from YOU! Good post. But it's depressing....

the economy, people suffering, seniors getting their benefits cut....it's all so distressing. And the economic issues are more immediate that the environmental issues, while equallly important, have fallen in the priority list. The environment is one of my major concerns, but it's all too much for me to think about that I've had to focus on the economy, senior benefits, and unemployment and taxes first.

The people don't seem to have the power to fix any of it.

[UtahLib]

56. Thank you, I will be watching for it.

My state, Utah, is preparing to be the first in the United States to welcome tar sands exploration and our repub governor is so pleased with himself. Activists are still working, probably to no avail, to stop this horrific practice from invading the remarkably beautiful and diverse terrain of Utah. It literally makes me sick to contemplate what will surely be disastrous consequences caused by the greed and stupidity of politicians who refuse to see past their own selfish ambitions.