You’re On A Terrorist Watch List? Sure, You Can Buy A Gun

[riqster]

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/youre-on-a-terrorist-watch-list-sure-you-can-buy-a-gun/

Snip:"Yes, you read that correctly. If you are on a terrorist watch list, you can pass the current background check and buy a gun from a licensed dealer. Not surprisingly, some people want this changed. Even less surprisingly, the NRA and other Gun Nuts don’t.

Yes, you also read that last bit correctly. The Gun Nuts support the rights of terrorists to keep and bear arms. In fact, they managed to kill an amendment last week that would have taken away the ability of terrorists to buy AR-15?s, bulk gunpowder, and other tools of their lethal trade: that trade being, of course, the killing of Americans."

More at the link, including a link to the source (NPR).

[ProgressiveProfessor]

1. Why is it that you seem to post this blog here almost everyday?

No problem if you are the author, but some transparency would be nice

[riqster]

5. My apologies, I thought that was on my profile.

I just checked it, and there was nothing in the "about me" section - that has just been remedied. Thanks!

And yes, I am the author.

[Recursion]

2. Some of us don't support the use of that questionable 'list' for much of anything (nt)

[Paladin]

10. I don't see you and a Well Regulated Militia doing much about it. (nt)

[friendly_iconoclast]

12. What would *you* have them do about it?

[Paladin]

18. See to the security of a free state, what else? (nt)

[Union Scribe]

3. Why are the feds passing people on the watchlist?

Background checks are only as good as the info in the database.

[riqster]

6. It is illegal to use Watch List data as part of an NCIC gun background check nt

[beevul]

4. Bush terrah watchlist bad...

Bush terrah watchlist applied to gun buyers good?


No thanks.

[sarisataka]

7. What else should we prohibit

people on the watch list from doing?
Flying- done, let's think of others: voting, receiving government aid, getting a driver's license, receiving social security, buying a cell phone
Things we can do to people on the list to enhance public safety: tap all electronic communications, search their homes whenever we feel the need, bring them in for questioning whenever we want, have the FBI drop in on their friends family and employers to ask if they are doing anything suspicious, whenever we feel it is needed, detain them until it is deemed safe to allow them to go free again.


It may be too much for the FBI. We need a Committee for State Security to aid in protecting the country from people on the terror watch list.

[hack89]

8. Who needs open and transparent due process

when a secret bureaucratic process rift with errors and the potential for abuse will work just as well?

[X_Digger]

9. It's called due process.

We (as a state) do not infringe constitutional rights without due process.

It's all the fault of this thing..

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Damn that 14th amendment.


And that's completely setting aside the accuracy of the list (Remember when Senator Kennedy couldn't get on a plane because there was a 'T.Kennedy' on the 'list'?) And let's ignore the fact that *actual* terrorists don't get put on any list because to do so would alert them that the government is actually aware of and watching them.

[justanidea]

11. Good.

Denying anyone any constitutional right without due process is wrong.

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. Good. Piss on anyone who supports these bullshit lists, whoever they may be...

...or whatever reason du jour they may offer up.

[yurbud]

14. this should have been Obama's approach to gun control if he wanted it to work

split the righties with their own inherent contradictions.

The problem is, it would be as likely to make the war on terror look stupid as the gun nuts.

[riqster]

16. The GWOT is as stupid as the gun nuts nt

[riqster]

22. Clearly, I need to work on my writing skills

Since you're the only respondent who got the point. If I had written it better, more people would have understood. That's on my to-do-list!

[Dr. Strange]

15. Even Those Cleared of Crimes Can Stay on F.B.I.’s Watch List

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is permitted to include people on the government’s terrorist watch list even if they have been acquitted of terrorism-related offenses or the charges are dropped, according to newly released documents.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/28/us/even-those-cleared-of-crimes-can-stay-on-fbis-terrorist-watch-list.html?_r=0

[petronius]

17. Some big opposition to that idea would come from the FBI itself: they want

to keep the names on the list secret, and a background check rejection would be a clear indicator that a person is being watched. Terrorist organizations could use that as a handy tool to check which of their members had been detected. But for all we know, names from the TSDB might be flagged as they pass through the NICS system, they just don't get denied...

[former9thward]

19. No link to the subject matter in the OP.

No link to the supposed amendment. No link to any vote. No link to who was supporting or opposing it.

[riqster]

20. As it said in the OP,

"More at the link, including a link to the source (NPR)."

Following the link in the OP will show the link (colored text) to NPR:http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/04/24/178668578/people-on-terror-watch-list-not-blocked-from-buying-guns

[former9thward]

21. I read that link originally.

There is no link to the amendment, a vote, or who was for or against. Nothing. Just commentary.

[krispos42]

23. You mean people not convicted in any court of law..

can still vote and speak and pray and marry and have privacy and other rights?

[riqster]

24. See Reply # 22. nt