WV City bans pit bulls, current owners must register or dog will be removed

[The Straight Story]

BLUEFIELD — Click here for video

No new pit bulls may be owned within the city limits of Bluefield after the city board passed an ordinance Tuesday banning the breed.

The city board voted 4-0 with member Dr. Tom Blevins absent to approve the ordinance banning future ownership of the breed. City Attorney Brian Cochran said the ban goes into effect immediately but current pit bull owners have 10-day grace to register their dogs with the city before the animal is removed.

After the ordinance was passed, many citizens spoke out against the vote. Laurie Harman, a local animal rescue advocate and resident, said the decision will have a negative impact on the entire county.

“The Mercer County Shelter is not just the shelter for Bluefield; it is the whole county’s shelter,” Harman said. “Because of this ban, hundreds of dogs at the shelter will die each month. I am one of many who spend their blood, sweat and tears trying to help these animals. Every board member should have worked a day in the shelter’s euthanasia room before being allowed to vote on this ordinance. I would have begged the city to punish these cruel owners instead, but now it is too late. There are no bad dogs born, only bad owners. Come reelection time, we will remember this, and me and other animal advocates in the city will choose to vote in all new candidates to the city board.”

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A lot of people here are animal rescuers and with this ban in place, there is nothing we can do,” she said. “This ban will stop pit rescues. These dogs are hard to adopt not because they are violent but because of bias. You wouldn’t judge a human by their skin or nationality, so why are you judging a dog by its breed? All of these people are willing to work with you. This ban is not going to solve the problem. It will make it worse.”

City Manager Jim Ferguson said as of Monday 41 pit bull owners have registered 58 dogs with the city. Ferguson said 45 dogs have also been picked up for not being registered.

http://bdtonline.com/local/x1915241754/City-bans-pit-bulls

[newmember]

1. No reason is stated why

[Blue_Tires]

73. I'd have guessed there was an issue with bad breeders or fight trainers or something

but the story doesn't make any mention of that possibility?

[SoCalDem]

2. ALL dogs should be registered.

If you cannot afford to pay a registration fee (and the necessary shots), maybe you should not have a dog..

Most places have organizations who will help defray costs for people who cannot afford it..

There are far too many people who have roaming dogs who are never vaccinated, barely cared for, and if one disappears, they just get another one

Dog registration is not unusual at all.

[ZombieHorde]

3. So should cats. nt

[SoCalDem]

12. Cats are not generally a threat to people, since most run away instead of attacking

I know that some dogs also run away, but generally I approve of registering ALL pets, so that anyone who encounters them could reunite them with the "parents", and to insure that they have been vaccinated...even cats.

I also am 150% in favor of all dogs & cats being HOUSE animals (walks on leashes for dogs).. Letting animals "roam free" is dangerous to them and to others..

[ZombieHorde]

14. Cats that are allowed outside cause enviromental damage

to indigenous species.

[SoCalDem]

23. Another reason why NO pets should run free..

[DesertFlower]

31. i'm a cat owner. i never let

my cat out. have owned several cats in the past and all were house cats. my cat also has a chip.

my cat will attack the vet. i have a vet who comes to the house. he said "i'm safer outside with the coyotes than i am with monkey". monkey is my cat's name.

[SoCalDem]

33. I have always seen our pets as perpetual toddlers

They understand a LOT, and are highly intelligent, but they are also trusting, impulsive and not streetsmart. Anyone who believes it's okay to let animals roam, is essentially letting a nonverbal, vulnerable furry-toddler run amok, amongst cars that will kill them, mean kids who will torment them, dangerous things they will eat (that might kill them), and bigger meaner "furry-toddlers" who will maim/kill them.

[DesertFlower]

42. i agree. they're like our children.

my neighbors let their dogs run loose. many times i've seen the dogs running on 3 paws because they've got cactus thorns in their paws.

[hollysmom]

57. I have never been harmed (deliberately ) by a dog, but have been attacked by 6 cats

Neighbors cats, sisters cats, friends cats - cats just seem to love me, then attack. randomly. I have had to get 4 tetanus shots over the years for cat bites, none for dog bites.

[beevul]

79. Neither are pomeranians. N/T

[uppityperson]

4. Either make it universal for all dogs, or for none.

[newmember]

6. Did anyone read the article?

[uppityperson]

9. I was just coming back to edit. Banning them is idiotic. BSL is wrong.

And let's say you have a non-akc or non-whatever the way they give papers for a specific breed. Do you get your dog tested? How? Do they look at body size? Head size? Short fur? What? Something the looks like it might have some sort of short haired big headed dog in it?

[SoCalDem]

16. Most vets can tell

I assume there will be a vet included in the "testing"

[uppityperson]

18. What standards do "most vets" use to tell? And no. Even vets can't often tell.

http://www.pickthepit.com/

So, what exactly is a "pit bull?" Nobody really knows. The United Kennel Club lists American Pit Bull Terriers as an official breed, but the American Kennel Club doesn't. It only lists a related breed: the American Staffordshire Terrier. (And the United Kennel Club doesn't list Am Staffs.)

When people talk about pit bulls, they're generally talking about any breed or mix that looks like what they think of as being a "pit bull."

DNA tests of pit bull-looking dogs often come up with some surprising results. One dog, who looked to all intents and purposes like a pit bull, turned out to be 40 percent poodle!

That's a funny thought, but for the dogs it's a real problem. Many cities and counties – even whole countries – have laws that ban pit bulls. Law enforcement officers can go into people's homes and take away any dog who has "the appearance of a pit bull." Even if they're 40 percent poodle. They can be taken to the pound and then killed.

That's why so many of us don't like these breed discrimination laws. In the right hands, any dog is a good dog. In the wrong hands, any dog is a bad dog. Breed or type has nothing to do with it.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthebull/findpitbull_v3.html

[Recursion]

67. Doubtful. "Pit bull" isn't even an official breed.

The two breeds that are "pit bulls" have breed standards, but for that matter few "pit bulls" actually meet those standards. If it's an Am Staff with a jaw that's too narrow to meet the breeding standard, is it a pit bull or not?

[newmember]

22. Just a guess but they will go with what a Vet states as breed type.

[uppityperson]

24. So there will be no standards, just a subjective ruling by a vet?

That doesn't sound very good.

[newmember]

27. No it doesn't

[SoCalDem]

8. I support the ALL dogs plan

as I said in my post

[uppityperson]

10. And I was agreeing. If dogs must be registered, register them all. Agreeing with you.

But the ban? Bah.

[SoCalDem]

13. Perhaps the populace elected the "wrong" people..elections have consequences

[newmember]

5. It's not just a reg it's a Ban

[SoCalDem]

7. the ban is for NEW ones. the ones already here are grandfathered in

Can you not love ANY dog? If you have a pitbull who is old, when he/she dies, could you not love another breed?

I guess if having pitbulls is all-important, perhaps a move elsewhere could work..

[uppityperson]

11. How will they determine if a dog is a pit?

[SoCalDem]

26. Band together and demand a DNA test ....

Maybe there's a lawyer out there who would take it on as a pro bono

[Recursion]

68. There's not a genetic definition of "pit bull".

The parallels to "assault weapons" are glaring: it's an ill-defined phrase that people think covers a much broader class than it actually does.

[newmember]

17. I love all dogs

I'm a dog person

It's ridiculous what they are doing because a few bad owners mistreated and abused their dogs.
Any animal that gets abused will eventually act out with aggression.
Be it because of anger or fear.

[cui bono]

20. Once you go pitty....

you'll never want another breed. Seriously, they are something special. I've had dogs all my life and never had dogs that were so connected to and so aware of me. Even my neighbor's pit is like that. There's a whole different level of connection with them, they truly understand you. I didn't even have to formally train my dogs, I would tell them something and after one of two times they just did it. It was weird. They really are so obedient and eager to please. But they need love. They aren't meant to be treated the way so many of them are. If you read about them it says they need to be a member of the family.

[dorkzilla]

36. +1000!

I so hear what you're saying. I've had dogs my whole life, sheepdogs, cockers, poodles and lots of labs. I adopted a pit last summer who was going to be euthanized in a matter of hours due to the NYC housing authority banning pits and pit mixes (32 other pits were killed by the shelter that day thanks to NYCHA). Anyway, it took 1 day to train her. 1 day. Also when my dad comes to visit, he delights in showing us all he needs to do is point and say what he wants and she gets the command, however vague, and does exactly what she's told. She's the most affectionate, smartest dog ever. I didn't set out to own a pit, but it's the best decision I've ever made.

I was thinking the other day...I was in St Petersburg, Russia a few years back and was surprised to see that EVERY dog was muzzled. Seems to me if some idiot town is hellbent on preventing pit bites, why not just require muzzles instead of banning them outright? I think it's a simple solution while we're waiting for people to get educated about these special dogs.

[cui bono]

15. Yes, and rather than ban a breed they should ban bad owners!

Pit bulls are the best breed there is. I had two and they were the sweetest, most devoted and loving dogs I've ever had. My neighbor has one and I take care of him a lot and he is so sweet and he avoids confrontation at all costs.

My babies (no longer with us ):

[SoCalDem]

21. It's so sad to lose our pets

I didn't know your dogs, but I teared up seeing them & knowing how much you miss them..

Yes, it's always the owners & how the dogs are raised.

If enough people want the ban lifted, they need to elect people more carefully, and work to have it overturned.

The breeding of specific traits into/out of dogs is responsible for a LOT of behaviors that can make a breed unpalatable to the general public.

[cui bono]

30. Aw, thanks. Yeah, back in the day they bred them specifically to not be human aggressive,

even when they were using them for fighting. If a dog was aggressive towards a human it was put down and taken out of the line. And many of the dogs, I think I read most, were taken in as pets after their "career" was over. So while I completely disagree with dog fighting, at least it had some protocol in place. These days it's backyard breeders who are macho idiots who think they're dogs need to be the meanest and bulkiest dog. They breed for aggression and when they're fighting them they mistreat them so badly - throwing them against walls and into trunks of cars when they lose. It's the saddest thing. Hard to blame them for acting out.

I've read articles that say other breeds actually attack more but you just hear about pit bull attacks because it makes sensational news and unfortunately they do have the "lock jaw" thing where they don't want to let go.

[dorkzilla]

39. The pits "locking jaw" is a myth

Sorry I'm on my phone or I'd link but you'll come up with lots of info from a simple google search.

And my eldest dog (black lab) died 18 hour ago. I haven't slept and all I can do is cry (he was old-14-but it was sudden and I'm 3000 miles from home on a business trip). They really leave a void, don't they?

[cui bono]

45. OMG, I'm so sorry about your loss. Yes, it's terribly sad.

Too bad you were so far away at the time.

It's not a myth though. You need a "break stick" or something like it to get them to open their mouth if they don't want to let go. One of my dogs did get in a fight and she would not let go of the other dog's lip. We had them both pinned down and she wouldn't let go until someone got a stick in her mouth. It's not actually a lock jaw, hence the parentheticals, but they will not let go unless forced if they don't want to.

[dorkzilla]

48. Want and can't are different of course, hence the myth.

Thank you for your kind words.

Yeah, my head is all sorts f--ked up...I didn't get to hold him one more time, but I'm sure he knew his Mommy loved him very much. My heart is torn into a million pieces though, and I am inconsolable. Oh, my little man, I hope you didn't suffer...I will miss you forever and a day...

[DesertFlower]

32. great pics. sorry for your loss.

[cui bono]

34. Oh, thank you. It's actually been a while now but I still haven't gotten other dogs.

Those two were something special. Extra special.

[DesertFlower]

29. i agree. nt

[Lady Freedom Returns]

38. Different type of registering.

Been following this for a while. It is growing through many cities. It is a special registration along with special coverage on ones home insurance. It is for bread that most people think of a dangerous or have some looks of "bull breads". Fur and Feather Sanctuary had a story some time ago about a dog that was a Great Dane that had a face that look a little like a pit bull and fell under such a law. Owner did not know his dog fell under this ordnance, it was new at the time, and loss his dog.

[SoCalDem]

40. In 1997 our home owners insurance went up..why?

We had 2 old-lady labradors..nothing new about dogs causing rates to go up..

Our poodle bit more people than those labs ever did.. they would have whipped you unconscious with their tails and then licked you to death once you were down

[Lady Freedom Returns]

44. In the case of this type, the insurance is for the bread alone.

If you get rid of the dog bread that is considered on this list of "looks bad must be bad" dogs and go with the poodle you would not have to pay the special insurance. This is on the Home owner insurance but it is also on the dog itself. The dog may have never done anything but it looks like it can.

And that is what many are upset about. That just because the dog looks like a bad dog, not because it is, they have to pay more than someone with a dog that looks like a "Good" bread.

[0rganism]

19. so now only outlaws will have unregistered pit bulls?

The only way to stop a bad guy with a dog is a good guy with a dog, or so I've heard.

[uppityperson]

25. Only rapidly repitting dogs?

[0rganism]

28. stop the assault dog ban!

and call your senators to support a filibuster of the universal background check for dog purchases!

[Recursion]

69. It actually is a lot like an assault weapons ban: supporters don't know what it actually bans

You have to come up with some sort of legal definition, the problem is you can't realistically get rid of every dog that somebody thinks is a pit bull, so people wind up disappointed.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

35. The obvious comparison is to AR-15s...

That will set off a ruckus, but the parallels are clear

[krispos42]

50. "Assault dogs"

Arbitrary definition based on cosmetic characteristics, and lineage.


Hmph.

[baldguy]

59. 30 people killed by dogs each year vs. 30,000 people killed by guns.

There's really no obvious comparison. Only a dumbass would believe there was.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

62. The legislate thinking is exactly the same

No one needs an assault rifle vs no one needs a pit bull.

Gun owners are self centered and anti social...put bull owners are self centered and anti social.

All gun owners have blood on their hand...all pit bull owners have blood on their hands

If it save just one child, its justified.

Clearly the exact same kind of thinking

[baldguy]

86. Do you forget so quickly?

Your argument really hasn't changed, and you had no reply then... :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022576065#post35

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If you can't see the difference, your intellectual capacity for rational thinking is questionable.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. I'm buying a pit pull, getting him a CCW and then taking him to Olive Garden for a 44 oz. soda.

Because the control freaks are getting out of hand.

[SoCalDem]

41. do you plan on feeding him chicken?

stock up on corn flakes..NOW !!

[NutmegYankee]

43. A dog with CCW?

My god! What next, Cats with opposable thumbs?

[cui bono]

46. You really should adopt

dontcha know?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. I'll have my gay BF and his partner do the adopting.

Just so we can tweak a few extra people.

[ecstatic]

49. another child was killed by a pitbull today

so I'm all for it!

Today a 2 year old was killed by family dog of 8 years: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/toddler-killed-by-dog-in-south-fulton-county/nXWm3/

Last month a 1 year old was killed: http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/03/28/21-month-old-girl-mauled-to-death-by-7-pit-bulls-at-familys-home/

[gejohnston]

53. most of the time what the media calls "pit bulls"

are not in fact pit bulls. Often, the media will say "pit bull" even when no breed is given. Pits rarely are aggressive towards humans, but can be to other animals. That is why they make poor guard dogs.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/pitbulls-used-be-considered-perfect-nanny-dogs-children-until-media-turned-them
http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls
http://www.pawnation.com/2013/02/08/how-pit-bulls-got-singled-out-as-dangerous-dogs/

As a dog trainer told me, nurture trumps nature. But then, when I was in the Air Force, military working dogs would let me walk up and pet them, to the chagrin of the handler.

[Orrex]

63. We routinely hear that owners of pit bulls don't know how to handle them properly

Why do we never hear this about owners of golden retrievers or border collies?

[Recursion]

66. Because when those attack they get called "pit bulls"

Well, maybe not a Golden retriever, but pretty much any molosser is going to get identified as a "pit bull", which is why you hear about them so much.

[Orrex]

70. Hmm. Hadn't thought of it that way.

I'm not convinced that there's great value in maintaining too fine a distinction. That is, if the dog in question doesn't meet the AKC's precise breed guidelines to qualify as a true pit bull but is pretty darn close, then I'm not going to complain if a news story refers to the animal as a pit bull.

Likewise, if I'm being attacked by three of them and the 911 dispatcher asks if they're pit bulls, I'm not going to say "well, technically the one gnawing on my ankle appears to be 1/8 Rotweiler, and I think that the one at my throat is 5/16 Doberman."

At some point it becomes ridiculous, the same way that gun advocates will look down their noses at anyone who uses the term "assault weapon" to describe something that doesn't meet the standards of a trained gun connoisseur because the threading on one of the screws is the wrong pitch.

"Close" is often close enough for practical purposes.

If there is a general class of dog that demonstrates a particular tendency to attack, then I think that this can and should be addressed. If that means that some not-quite-pit-bulls get classified as pit bulls, then I'm comfortable with that.

I've heard the phrase "perfect nanny dogs" more times than I can count. I've also heard many times of the media's campaign against pit bulls. Are there studies to demonstrate the fact of this campaign and its impact?

Also, are there many examples in which the incorrect classification of a dog as a pit bull was ultimately significant to the resolution of the case?

[Recursion]

72. Well, if you're going to ban them, the actual definition becomes extremely important

It's actually the exact same problem with "assault weapons", and it's why you end up with the rifle used in Newtown being legal under the assault weapons ban. If the dog being 1/8th Rot keeps him clear of the ban, then he'll still be around to chew on your ankle. The problem (with both pit bulls and assault weapons) being that if you try to make the ban broad enough to actually ban anything anybody would call a (pit bull | assault weapon) you wind up banning most guns and/or dogs, and that will never pass.

[Orrex]

74. Then the same question applies: what do we do?

Gun advocates claim that bans won't work, so we can't pass any bans. Instead, we need more training and (in some cases) more guns.

Is it the same answer for pit bulls? Bans won't work, so we need more training?


Again and again, it seems that pit bull afficianados claim that the dogs aren't to blame, that it's the owners and the dogs' training. So what's the answer?

[Recursion]

75. So there's a few issues here

The problem is there's not some pre-existing class of dogs called "pit bulls". This is a phrase that got made up at some point. If you want to ban dogs with a jaw strength greater than some number of PSI that's at least a feasible thing to do; my issue here is that there's simply not an objective definition of what is a "pit bull", so there's really not a way to do a ban in the first place.

[Orrex]

77. Okay, but...

Surely there's a qualitative difference between Sally's pit-bull-esque dog and Joe's chocolate lab, no?

The fact that the distinction is subtle shouldn't be an excuse for inaction. The jaw strength ban is an interesting idea, but in practice I think that it would easily be subverted.


How about this: any dog owner whose dog wrongfully attacks a person is legally liable and is thereafter barred from owning dogs. Future infractions result in massive fines and possible jail time.

If the problem is the owners, then let the owners bear responsibility.

[gejohnston]

81. perfect chart

[Orrex]

82. I already asked about that:

Are there many examples in which the incorrect classification of a dog as a pit bull was ultimately significant to the resolution of the case?

Your chart is cute but doesn't really illuminate anything.

[gejohnston]

83. yes they do

since the average journalist is doesn't know very much about dog breeds, or guns, and is often too lazy to research and verify.

[Orrex]

84. But how does that affect the actual case?

It may influence public perception, which is a point worth considering, but can you cite any cases that actually turned out differently because the attacking dog was misidentified as a pit bull by some average journalist?

In other words, how big a deal is this?

Have fines been assessed because of the misidentification? Have criminal cases been wrongly decided because of misidentification? Is this common?

[gejohnston]

85. it certainly does affect public perception

as for the rest, I have no idea but I doubt it.

[Recursion]

65. The problem is any large dog gets called a "pit bull" in the media

I've seen even Rotts called "pit bulls". The local Fox affiliate in DC did a "special" on "Pit Bulls in the District" and of the 8 dogs they showed not a single one was an American Pit Bull Terrier or an American Staffordshire Terrier.

[DrDan]

78. absolutely agree!

but get ready for all the anecdotes . . . "I have owned 3 and they were the sweetest dogs - would never do harm . . . "

They have caused so much heartbreak and continue to do so.

[flvegan]

51. I love the smell of ignorance.

And TSS knows how to pull my chain. Cheers, bro.

So a bunch of seemingly inbred cousinfuckers got together to try to rub a couple brain cells together yet still came up with this.

Bluefield's new motto: "We're too stupid to be true!"

^^^^^^^^

I realize all this will be deleted, doesn't change anything. Truth hurts.

[The Straight Story]

52. Was not trying to pull your chain :)

I have a problem with a lot of bans - from pit bulls to smoking in bars to guns to abortions and so on.

While some see the specifics of certain bans, I see what lays beneath it all - lack of trust in our fellow citizen, fear, and wanting others to dictate how the many live based on the fears of the few.

Maybe if people would listen for once and quit trying to label people as libertarians, nra shrills, etc, we might all find some common ground we all agree on - like...screw the stupid few who want to make us all out to be the enemies and sell fear, leave us alone and let us make our own choices.

[spin]

54. There's a large group of people in our nation who think the only solution to many problems ...

is simply to ban something.

Unfortunately bans rarely work well and often have unintended consequences.

[OwnedByCats]

60. Bans are stupid

Ban the pit bulls and that makes those dogs more attractive to criminals which really pisses me off. Banning a breed of dog indeed - wtf happened to our country?

I've worked with a lot of pit bulls in my job, never had a mean one. If anything it was just the opposite. They are very lovable and affectionate. Very smart too.

The hysteria on pit bulls is ridiculous. You have a slightly better chance of dying from a lightening strike than by a pit bull. I think it was 21 or 22 people who died last year from a pit bull attack (assuming some of those dogs were not misidentified). I think 28 people died from lightening. Both very rare ways to die but the way some people act, you'd honestly think pit bulls have killed people by the hundreds of thousands.

I think bans create a slippery slope. People want to ban guns because many thousands are killed by them and then there is bitching at the opposite end of the scale - pit bulls are responsible for a tiny fraction of kills compared to guns. Just shows me that the numbers really don't matter to these people at all. Whatever pet peeve (no pun intended lol) someone has, if it kills a very small amount of people or a very large number of people is inconsequential to them. Punishing the innocent majority over the act of a few should not be happening.

[spin]

61. My experience with Pit Bulls has been similar to yours. ...

Of course, as with any dog, much depends on the owner.

[OwnedByCats]

87. Exactly

Most of the time, all roads lead back to the owner. Rarely that might not be the case but it's been the cause of most unwanted or dangerous behavior. Dogs need training, socialization and guidance and people who understand that they are pack animals and they need to be a good pack leader. Unfortunately some people shouldn't have dogs for this very reason.

[Live and Learn]

56. +1 nt

[flvegan]

88. Thank you for your response.

I'm happy to say I stand corrected on that, TSS. My apologies.

[ileus]

58. This is a law written by city White folks

directed at city Black folks with "dangerous" dogs.

If you don't know the racial makeup of Bluefield you don't know the true story behind this law.



Did you know the Mercer County Shelter has a drop box? I kid you not, drive up after hours and just drop off an animal.

[Recursion]

64. "Pit Bull" is an ill-defined term, so I predict this will go badly

This runs into the same kind of problem banning "assaults weapons" does: it sounds great, but you have to actually define what that means, and the devil being in the details you usually wind up with a pretty stupid law.

[Trajan]

71. I oppose the ban, but I am all for owner responsibility

Every Pitbull owner will gladly inform you that any dog can be as deadly as a Pitbull, and I take them at their word ... so ... Here is what I propose:

Because dog owners acquire dogs with the full knowledge that they could rip human beings to shreds ( remember ... all dogs are equally dangerous according to Pitbull owners) ...

Because all dog owners acquire dogs knowing they are dangerous .... EVERY owner should be held criminally responsible for the actions of their dogs ...

If a dog rips a child to shreds, then the owner ripped that child to shreds ... They should be tried in a court of law for manslaughter ...

[hamsterjill]

76. And some have been tried and convicted.

I second your call for owner responsibility.

It's always the humans who are the problem, not the dogs.

I don't support BSL, but I believe it is the owner's responsibility to recognize the abilities and powers of the dogs they choose to have. An owner of a pit bull, or other equally strong dog, must understand that these dogs possess certain challenges. If an owner can meet those responsibilities adequately, and takes care of the dog, I have no problem with them having the dog.

However, in my neck of the woods, we find constantly that people will spend $300 to buy a pit bull, but then won't spend the $25 per year to have that dog vaccinated against parvo. So in instances like this, having the pit bull is a "fashion statement" rather than actually caring about the dog and its health.

[Jake Izzy]

80. Good. Those dogs are nuts

Ban them.