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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTamerian Named for Murderous Turkish Warlord, Armenians PISSED!
"In the absence of established facts, it is difficult to reach an informed conclusion and find a motive for the murderous actions of the Tsarnaev brothersTamerlan, 26, and Dzhokhar, 19. It is interesting to note that Tamerlan carries the name of a vicious 14th-century Turkic warlord who razed entire cities to the ground and butchered millions of innocent people."
"Turning to Ruslan Tsarni, the talkative uncle of the Tsarnaev brothers, who made controversial and contradictory comments disseminated worldwide by CNN, NBC, the Wall Street Journal, Reuters, and Time magazine, among others. Uncle Tsarni accused an unnamed Armenian convert to Islam from Cambridge, Mass., for radicalizing Tamerlan!"
http://www.armenianweekly.com/2013/04/23/sassounian-false-accusation-linking-armenian-to-boston-bombings-should-be-condemned/comment-page-1/
This article correctly points out contradictions in the statements of both the mother and Uncle Tsarni.
Even more interesting is the near complete lack of media attention of the trip Tamerian and other members of the family made to Turkey in 2003. Nothing is mentioned of who their contacts were and the purpose of the visit.
"Tamerlan Tsarnaev proceeded through Turkish customs with a Kazakh passport on July 9, 2003, accompanied by three other people who have the same surname and exited from Ankara on July 19, 2003, the minister said.
We think that they [came] as a family. They dont have any connection with Turkey, Güler said. The other three people were identified as Bela Tsarnaev, born in 1987, Aleyna Tsarnaev, born in 1990, and Maret Tsarnaev, born in 1967, Güler said, adding that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not come to Turkey. Güler strongly denied earlier reports claiming that the bombers had traveled to the United States from Turkey."
I might point out here Turkey shares a border with Iran, for what it is worth. Also, according to Wiki there is only one mosque remaining in modern Armenia, the "Blue Mosque".
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/149335/boston-bombings-suspect-spent-10-days-in-turkey-interior-minister.html
As for myself, I become increasingly skeptical the louder M$M beats the "no outside connection" drum. What we might be seeing, as a correspondent told me, is a protection of C.I.A. assets run amok.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... certain deathbed confessions....
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The brother's family was let in as a favor to him.
Which is why he's so upset.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)We have a finalist!!!!!
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Odd that they have changed their last names.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Stop now.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)until you put it together. So far yours is the most plausible theory I've seen.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)the Armenian link in the op -
"The question is, who is Tsarni and why is he accusing an Armenian? A cursory internet search reveals that he has had direct ties to western energy companies involved in the Caspian region. He has worked for Big Sky Energy, Golden Eagle Partners, and Nelson Resources Ltd., all three with direct investments in Caspian Sea energy projects. Could Tsarnis ties to these energy companies explain his accusation against an Armenian?"
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Immediately.
Why do you PERSIST?
Three volumes of existential philosophy in 1:37
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)tried to tell me that.
(I won't be laughing at all if I meet him personally... )
I've crossed path with "men in black" types once or twice in my life - the "Agent Smith" depiction actually isn't that far removed from the reality.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)I'm Armenian.
Armenians just don't go around converting to Islam. It's like Jewish converting to Islam.
It would show that this Misha guy had gone rogue. He probably cut himself off from his family and friends. By Armenian standards that's extremely radical.
To add to all this drama Misha is supposed to be an exorcist!!!
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)As I pointed out above, there is only one remaining mosque in Armenia, according to wiki. It is a largely Christian nation.
I call bullshit on the whole Misha story. What better way to deflect attention from your monstrous family than to try and shift the blame to a member of a group your community has had a historic rivalry with? People from that region tend to be extremely conspiracy-minded to begin with; everything is the fault of the Russians/Armenians/Jews, etc. Of course their precious boy would never do such a thing! It was an Armenian Muslim (as rare as a Jewish Nazi) who put him up to it! Pffffttt.
Btw, how awful that this fiction was put out there on this day of all days: April 24th, the day Armenians commemorate the millions killed during the genocide by the Turks.
sounds like "Misha" is fictional
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And was very, very famous across most of the world for most of those centuries. It would be like Indians or Iranians being offended at someone named Alexander.
Turkey is a popular vacation destination for most Europeans, including the Caucuses. Great beaches. It would also explain quite nicely the ten day stay, rather than the whole extended family being dome kind of sleeper-cell, waiting a decade before blowing up a couple of pipe bombs.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Igel
(35,300 posts)But if it says anything, it says it about the one(s) who named him.
A few years back there was an American baby in the news who had been given the first name "Hitler." Not very relevant to the baby's ideology. Relevant to the parents' (although exactly how might need a bit of work).
Then again, parents' ideology often has something to say about what their offsprings' ideology becomes.
Same for "Dzhokhar," possibly named after Dzhokhar Dudaev.
Then again, without stats on the popularity of "Tamerlan" and "Dzhokhar" among Chechen ex-pat communities in Central Asia, it's hard to say. Not every boy named "Ronald" in the 1980s in the US was named after Reagan, not every "William" in the mid-late 1990s was named after Clinton.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Spectral shades of sacred Mount Ararat, which was part of Armenia until the most recent genocidal purge of their peoples circa 1915...
Kozmique Karma or Katastrophic Koincidence?
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)The ark. Yep Watertown!!
Gotta tell every Armenian I know.
Thanks!
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Stranger than fiction...
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)nonsense.
Thought Salad?
warrprayer
(4,734 posts).. but the Turks
dkf
(37,305 posts)I think what is being said is that the Uncle, who worked for Western oil companies, used his pull to get his brothers family to the U.S.. When he saw they were a train wreck waiting to happen, he distanced himself from them, perhaps which is why he changed his last name.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Later Ruslan came to the US and went to college to get his law degree.
The parents were the ones connected to the Government back in Dagestan. I don't know what Ruslan did at the time.
the Armenian link in the op -
"The question is, who is Tsarni and why is he accusing an Armenian? A cursory internet search reveals that he has had direct ties to western energy companies involved in the Caspian region. He has worked for Big Sky Energy, Golden Eagle Partners, and Nelson Resources Ltd., all three with direct investments in Caspian Sea energy projects. Could Tsarnis ties to these energy companies explain his accusation against an Armenian?"
dkf
(37,305 posts)Maybe that was simply what he was told?
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... I guess anything is possible
dkf
(37,305 posts)Yeah this is interesting stuff.
no, didn't think parents were C.I.A.. Uncle may have been an "asset" though. No wonder he was pissed.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Perhaps trying to radicalize to entrap. That seems more plausible.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)His brother, Tamerlan's dad, was complaining about Misha. It sounds like the parents got divorced due to arguments over religion. Dad wanted to toss Misha out, Mom insisted he stay. Dad used to get so mad he had to leave the house.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)This Misha sounds like he could be a red herring of sorts...
An Armenian that converted to Islam in Boston and they can't find him.
I'm Armenian myself and converting to Islam is about as common as Jewish converting to Islam. But, you never know.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Sounds crazy to me but who knows?
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)but who knows?
At first I thought it might be satire.
I have no idea how the person that writes that blog would be able to find out all that stuff.