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Hayes says Columbine not Jihadists (Original Post) malaise Apr 2013 OP
I've been looking at the pics of those bombers Skittles Apr 2013 #1
We still have folks who will not accept this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #2
I've been saying that for days. onehandle Apr 2013 #3
Yep you said it first on DU malaise Apr 2013 #4
IMO, they are just part of a shoplifting and chopshop clan. nt CK_John Apr 2013 #5
If that is so they have taken their anti-social behaviour to a whole malaise Apr 2013 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #7
I think they mean anti-social jerks vs having the main reason to forward a political/fundie cause. uppityperson Apr 2013 #8
It gets mixed up marions ghost Apr 2013 #10
Yes, more like Columbine... marions ghost Apr 2013 #9
Thanks a lot for that link malaise Apr 2013 #11
It's a good one, yeah... marions ghost Apr 2013 #12
That's what I was feeling from what little I Cha Apr 2013 #13

Skittles

(152,965 posts)
1. I've been looking at the pics of those bombers
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 08:10 PM
Apr 2013

when they were in the crowd - trying to get a feel for who was the leader - but there's zero emotion in either face - no anxiety or apprehension - I'm leaning towards two nutcases

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. We still have folks who will not accept this
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 08:11 PM
Apr 2013


We are talking of two young men in the deep throes of social alienation, and radicalization.

But people still want an outside force.

malaise

(267,823 posts)
6. If that is so they have taken their anti-social behaviour to a whole
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:03 PM
Apr 2013

new level. How so you turn on people in your own community in such a cruel way is beyond my imagination.

Response to malaise (Original post)

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
9. Yes, more like Columbine...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:42 PM
Apr 2013

Sociopaths looking for a framework for their acts of carnage.

Harris & Klebold:

"The killers, in fact, laughed at petty school shooters. They bragged about dwarfing the carnage of the Oklahoma City bombing and originally scheduled their bloody performance for its anniversary. Klebold boasted on video about inflicting "the most deaths in U.S. history." Columbine was intended not primarily as a shooting at all, but as a bombing on a massive scale. If they hadn't been so bad at wiring the timers, the propane bombs they set in the cafeteria would have wiped out 600 people. After those bombs went off, they planned to gun down fleeing survivors. An explosive third act would follow, when their cars, packed with still more bombs, would rip through still more crowds, presumably of survivors, rescue workers, and reporters. The climax would be captured on live television. It wasn't just "fame" they were after—Agent Fuselier bristles at that trivializing term—they were gunning for devastating infamy on the historical scale of an Attila the Hun. Their vision was to create a nightmare so devastating and apocalyptic that the entire world would shudder at their power."

This really excellent article about the psychology & motives of Harris and Kelbold is at:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/assessment/2004/04/the_depressive_and_the_psychopath.html

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
12. It's a good one, yeah...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:32 PM
Apr 2013

--considering the grandiose plans of Harris and Klebold and the Tsarnaevs, I guess we have to be glad they didn't complete the whole mission in their own eyes. Small comfort.

Outside extremist views just fanned the flames of psychopathy in these guys.

from the article:

"Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised." Diagnosing Harris as a psychopath represents neither a legal defense, nor a moral excuse. But it illuminates a great deal about the thought process that drove him to mass murder.

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