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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:28 PM Apr 2013

Does anyone really think the Tsarneav Brothers...

Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:08 PM - Edit history (1)

were connected with islamic terrorists when they couldn’t even figure out all the surveillance cameras which would be surrounding the event..
Give me a break... You think the supposed terrorists handlers of these two wouldn’t have figured that out... Especially since they wanted to live.

The airport surveillance at the airport on 911 didn’t mean a thing... Those guys
considered themselves dead...

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Does anyone really think the Tsarneav Brothers... (Original Post) busterbrown Apr 2013 OP
Yes Leslie Valley Apr 2013 #1
Boy, the MSM sure relies on people like you... busterbrown Apr 2013 #4
The whole thing has teenage dumbass bravado written all over it Taverner Apr 2013 #2
Yup. I think you nailed it. El Fuego Apr 2013 #16
You know you make a very good point malaise Apr 2013 #32
And the Butch and Sundance thing in Watertown? FarCenter Apr 2013 #41
They are both cowards Taverner Apr 2013 #58
These two brothers don't seem to be the brightest avebury Apr 2013 #44
They wanted fame. Nothing more than sick fame. and what you wrote here, is the same graham4anything Apr 2013 #3
The whole right wing element is praying for these 2 nut cases to be high level Muslim Terrorists busterbrown Apr 2013 #6
The 20% of the republican party people, and 100% of the republican office holders graham4anything Apr 2013 #7
Tough to call that number... busterbrown Apr 2013 #10
The RW was praying as much as the LW was praying for them to be "tea party nut cases" True Earthling Apr 2013 #23
Perfect... conflate the Democrats with Republicans. busterbrown Apr 2013 #26
You're right... I will lose every time True Earthling Apr 2013 #36
Before you go... busterbrown Apr 2013 #38
"...I'm sick of the demonizing of RW'rs as some kind of sub-human evil..." VOX Apr 2013 #54
The left wing here was hoping madville Apr 2013 #61
Borat n/t malaise Apr 2013 #33
Connected? Depends on what you mean. onenote Apr 2013 #5
Could you provide a link to your point on Richard Reid(Shoe bomber).. busterbrown Apr 2013 #8
here onenote Apr 2013 #9
Thanks... busterbrown Apr 2013 #11
They were connected to Islamic terrorists via YouTube El Fuego Apr 2013 #12
Well heres some more info which will disappoint you! busterbrown Apr 2013 #49
I don't understand your point vis-a-vis my post. Did you mean to reply to me? El Fuego Apr 2013 #55
nope...sorry busterbrown Apr 2013 #56
The talent level of terrorists just ain't what it used to be. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #13
My Magic 8 Ball is saying "Islamic terrorist wannabes" Brother Buzz Apr 2013 #14
Maybe the older brother who was a miserable slob.. But the younger brother was busterbrown Apr 2013 #15
I don't discount it merely because they're dumb wercal Apr 2013 #17
Of course you have got to investigate. busterbrown Apr 2013 #19
I've missed it wercal Apr 2013 #20
Just listen to Fox or Limbaugh .. Any time of the day. busterbrown Apr 2013 #31
Hold on wercal Apr 2013 #42
Just found this.. busterbrown Apr 2013 #50
If there's a link, I don't see it... wercal Apr 2013 #51
I guess you and I are not viewing into the same media outlets.. busterbrown Apr 2013 #64
This might help... busterbrown Apr 2013 #65
What do you think he was doing when he spent 6 months in Dagestan? dkf Apr 2013 #18
Maybe visiting his family...You Think? busterbrown Apr 2013 #22
His father went to a different mosque. dkf Apr 2013 #24
God...I don’t go to the same Church as my wife... busterbrown Apr 2013 #27
I dunno about the older brother Rex Apr 2013 #21
That's like saying people who read Baseball Digest are connected to MLB. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #25
The Daily Racing Form has radicalized me a number of times jberryhill Apr 2013 #29
Mmmm, now that you mention it. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #30
Probably not, but it needs to be checked. whathehell Apr 2013 #28
Didn’t say it shouldn’t be.. busterbrown Apr 2013 #34
Okay whathehell Apr 2013 #40
I think they are dangerous people whether they were connected to anyone else or not. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #35
no, but they weren't as incompetent as some here are making them out to be cali Apr 2013 #37
The younger one was partying on Wednesday. Jesus Christ..with his picture all over T.V. busterbrown Apr 2013 #39
I had not read that. I did read he went to his dorm room and the gym. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #46
Well this is it... busterbrown Apr 2013 #47
no. i do not seem them as part of an org. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #43
Other connected terrorists were idiots. Underwear bomber for shining example. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #45
How can you take out thousands of hand held phones.?. busterbrown Apr 2013 #48
I don't think they acted alone. jessie04 Apr 2013 #52
Who knows, however, your reasoning is flawed. The shoe bomber the times still_one Apr 2013 #53
Yea they could have had some outside contact with some lone wolves. busterbrown Apr 2013 #57
In all honesty I would not even speculate, those others I mentioned did have contact. When they still_one Apr 2013 #60
Looks like they sympathised with some terr. groups/causes (internet useage), but nothing Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #59
Maybe this will help the conversation.. busterbrown Apr 2013 #62
As I said...the guy described themselves as "self-radicalized" by internet useage Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #66
so far anyway - the evidence shows that the two acted alone and there were no other accomplices Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #63
 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
2. The whole thing has teenage dumbass bravado written all over it
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:30 PM
Apr 2013

Even the big, Hollywood ending planned - where they go to NYC and go out with a big bang

malaise

(267,808 posts)
32. You know you make a very good point
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:54 PM
Apr 2013

I lot of foreigners who migrate believe America is what they see on TV and via Hollywood.
Add Borat to that in terms of their self importance and then see their reality.

Stupid fucking morons - Darwin deals with them - pity some of them take innocents with them.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
58. They are both cowards
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:45 PM
Apr 2013

When it came time to face the music, one went out in a "Devil's Rejects" sort of way

And the other, failed suicide and tried to escape on boat - at least 10 miles from water

avebury

(10,946 posts)
44. These two brothers don't seem to be the brightest
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:24 PM
Apr 2013

bulbs in the universe. I think the older brother was just pissed off that his life didn't go the way he thought it should (Golden Glove boxer, US Olympic Boxing team, Gold Medal) and couldn't realize his personal responsibility in trashing his dreams (domestic assault costing him US Citizen). I also think he had issues with authority figures (yelling at the Iman in the Mosque) and nobody was going to tell him what to do, what to think or control him. The older brother had such a controlling personality I just don't see him taking orders from anybody.

The younger brother doesn't come across as much of a leadership type and probably just went along with whatever his brother wanted.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
3. They wanted fame. Nothing more than sick fame. and what you wrote here, is the same
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:34 PM
Apr 2013

is hte same reason that consiracy theorists are incorrect.

Criminals cannot keep their mouths shut. They always brag.

The 19 on 9-11 knew they would die. If others were involved, they would have talked.
Criminals are stupid in the first place.

Look at the Lennon killer. He stayed there and wanted the world to know. And now gets all expenses paid for life.(may he never be released on parole).

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
6. The whole right wing element is praying for these 2 nut cases to be high level Muslim Terrorists
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:36 PM
Apr 2013

It also sells..

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
7. The 20% of the republican party people, and 100% of the republican office holders
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

remember, I would wager most republican voters are NOT fans of the draconian republican leaders anymore than we are.
They are just trapped.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
10. Tough to call that number...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:47 PM
Apr 2013

I think 30% of all republicans hold favorable feelings towards Tea Bag Philosophy.
I would say at least 40% of all republicans have a strong bias against minorities..
“They rob them of their hard earned taxed dime”
I also think 85% of them favor a draconian approach to the war on terror.
think they are not as trapped as you think..

True Earthling

(832 posts)
23. The RW was praying as much as the LW was praying for them to be "tea party nut cases"
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:26 PM
Apr 2013

both parties were equally guilty of wanting to hang the bombing on their opponents constituents... shameful politicizing of a tragic event that effects all U.S. citizens... using it as a tool for political gain. Shame on anyone from either party who was of that mindset.

I've seen plenty of comments here conjecturing that the bombing was initiated by RW types... now that it is not the case the thinking has shifted to the RW was "praying" for them to be Muslim... no matter who did it the RW was going to connected to the bombing in some nefarious way. The rift in this country will never have a chance to heal as long as either party has distorted views of each other... I'm sick of the demonizing of RW'rs as some kind of sub-human evil who have nothing in common with Dems. If it did turn out to be tea partiers, I'm sure 99.9% of those in the RW would condemn such tactics... there are extremist elements in just about every organization.. RW'ers and Muslims do not have a monopoly on extremism.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
26. Perfect... conflate the Democrats with Republicans.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:46 PM
Apr 2013

Bachmann, West, Gohmert, Peter King, Rick Perry Anti-Science Anti- Choice, anti social equality..I can name you 50 hate radio commentators on the right. I can name maybe 2 on the left...Unless you think you can compare Rachael Maddow to Russ Limbough. Don’t get into this argument with me. You’ll loose every time..

Don’t give me that bullshit about democrats and republicans being the same...
Do you honestly thing that 99% on the right would condemn the bombing of an a
Woman’s Health Center... Bullshit!


True Earthling

(832 posts)
36. You're right... I will lose every time
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:02 PM
Apr 2013

in YOUR mind...because you will always find a way to twist my words like you did here. I didn't say repubs & dems are the same. I said we have some things in common... we are not separate species. I'll leave it at that.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
38. Before you go...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:14 PM
Apr 2013

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Please tell the things the right wing and the left wing have in common...And besides
Bernie Sanders and Allan Grayson Tell me what other democratic currently elected
politician represents the far ideology..

VOX

(22,976 posts)
54. "...I'm sick of the demonizing of RW'rs as some kind of sub-human evil..."
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:36 PM
Apr 2013

Most good progressives I know are sick of this as well -- but such diverse issues as women's rights and reproductive rights; racism, LBGT rights and xenophobia; a decent living wage and responsible & ethical behavior by corporations; weapons proliferation and loopholes; universal and affordable healthcare; illegal, immoral and unpopular warfare, etc. -- should ALL have been addressed and corrected by now. But they're not. In fact, they're all arenas of terrible risk, thanks to the continuing efforts of right wingers.

And because of those efforts of right wingers -- who insist that the focus of everything should be first-person singular, instead of a greater good -- people are dead and dying, homeless, jobless, paid less, and live in fear. Anyone who would inflict such pain IS sub-human, in that they cannot or choose not to feel anything positive about their fellow humans.

Which is why, as sick-making as it is, the fight against those who would snuff out the flame of decency and humanity is a never-ending task.

madville

(7,397 posts)
61. The left wing here was hoping
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:01 PM
Apr 2013

The left wing here was hoping they would be right wingers, hundreds of posts in fact.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
5. Connected? Depends on what you mean.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:35 PM
Apr 2013

In communication with? Wouldn't be a shock. Directed and planned? More questionable. But neither the shoe bomber nor the underwear bombmer, both of whom had documented contacts with Al Qaeda were exactly rocket scientists.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
8. Could you provide a link to your point on Richard Reid(Shoe bomber)..
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

I thought this guy was just a nut case...

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
11. Thanks...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:55 PM
Apr 2013

Those guys who carried out the 911 attacks all looked very composed ... Both the Shoe Bomber and Underwear bomber(empty stare) looked out of their fucking minds.. Maybe recruits like the 911 terrorists were more difficult to find after the attack....

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
15. Maybe the older brother who was a miserable slob.. But the younger brother was
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:14 PM
Apr 2013

probably simply brainwashed.. Like many younger brothers..obviously not to this extent..

wercal

(1,370 posts)
17. I don't discount it merely because they're dumb
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:15 PM
Apr 2013

The shoe and underwear bombers were fairly hapless - yet they are connected to Al Quaeda.

Some things make me wonder...

- Where did the igniters come from?
- Can one learn to make a cell phone bomb merely by watching Youtube?
- How did the older brother finance his trip to Russia?
- Why did the Russian government 'key in' on the older brother and ask the FBI to check him out? I.E. who/what did he deal with in Russia?

Bottom line, Islamic terrorism doesn't necessarily have to be 'organized'. These two didn't need some sort of authorization from a central authority to wage their own micro-jihad. So no, they might not have necessarily been on the Al Quaeda payroll...

but...

It is only responsible to search out who else these two associated with, and investigate whether or not they were part of a larger group. I'm sure that's happening right now (without your permission I'm afraid).

Now here is the important part: Even if it turns out that these two acted completely alone, it will not mean it was a mistake to investigate further.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
19. Of course you have got to investigate.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:22 PM
Apr 2013

But the issue of right wing politics and right wing media pushing the story that these guys were definitely attached to Al Quaeda makes me ill... It’s a right wing wet dream...

I feel 90% sure you won’t find a terrorist connection here.

wercal

(1,370 posts)
20. I've missed it
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:25 PM
Apr 2013

Do you have a link of a politician or media type stating that these two were definitely attached to Al Quaeda?

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
31. Just listen to Fox or Limbaugh .. Any time of the day.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:52 PM
Apr 2013

Its the right wing’s media wet dream and to question that is pure ignorance.

wercal

(1,370 posts)
42. Hold on
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:20 PM
Apr 2013

You stated that this idea was being spouted by politicians and right wing media.

But the only example of this is a blanket declaration that I should tune in to Fox News?

Come on. Did you really hear it or not?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
18. What do you think he was doing when he spent 6 months in Dagestan?
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:20 PM
Apr 2013

He was praying at a mosque notorious for its shootouts with the Russian Government while his father went to a mosque that was more moderate.

If he didn't learn a few things about bombs and other activities I will be pretty surprised.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
24. His father went to a different mosque.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:29 PM
Apr 2013

If he was there to spend time with his family wouldn't he go to the same mosque?

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
27. God...I don’t go to the same Church as my wife...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:49 PM
Apr 2013

What difference does that make..??
Make your point....

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. I dunno about the older brother
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:25 PM
Apr 2013

I think he hooked up with somebody in Russia, I kinda do feel he had an agenda. The younger one, no idea maybe just following in big brothers footsteps.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
25. That's like saying people who read Baseball Digest are connected to MLB.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:46 PM
Apr 2013

Random knuckleheads is what they are.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
34. Didn’t say it shouldn’t be..
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:56 PM
Apr 2013

I’m just making the point that the right wing has been doing their best to link these two guys to Al Qaeda... And it really pisses me off..

If you read some responses to my thread. Some are conflating Democrats to Republicans
on this issue..

whathehell

(28,969 posts)
40. Okay
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:19 PM
Apr 2013

then you don't have to worry about it.

The Right Wing tries all kinds of shit that doesn't conflate with fact.

It doesn't pay to get upset every time they do it, you'll be upset 24/7 and get an ulcer.

After the "Obama was born in Kenya" farce, I knew all bets were off in terms of how far they'd go.

I glanced at the thread, and didn't see the Dem/Repuke analogies, but I'm sure they'll come

up en masse soon enough.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
35. I think they are dangerous people whether they were connected to anyone else or not.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:59 PM
Apr 2013

Not all bombers are suicide bombers. I think this kids should rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
46. I had not read that. I did read he went to his dorm room and the gym.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:32 PM
Apr 2013

What's this 'partying' you speak of?

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
47. Well this is it...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:08 PM
Apr 2013

Credibility... I don’t trust any right wing site on these issues..
I have not checked however into this source. It was the first one I linked to.
But I heard it on MSM as well..

http://rollingout.com/culture/dzhokhar-tsarneav-partied-after-boston-marathon-bombing/

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. Other connected terrorists were idiots. Underwear bomber for shining example.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:25 PM
Apr 2013

Why do you think it would be all geniuses doing this sort of murder?
Plus, there are as always, 1001 other ways to write the story. The seeming lack of concern for the cameras could be sheer stupidity, could be because their superior told them cameras would be taken out, or that after the explosions they would be spirited away to a safe house. 'Don't worry about being seen, you will vanish in the wind'. So if they had 'handlers' perhaps the handlers lied to them and simply sacrificed them. Perhaps they were told they were one team out of dozens.
Or perhaps they were too stupid to think it through. But being on camera does not instantly mean they were acting alone there are as many reasons as you'd like to explain any action by anyone.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
48. How can you take out thousands of hand held phones.?.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:12 PM
Apr 2013

How did the Handlers know that they would die during the attacks?

When did I say “geniuses”?

You are really stretching it here... But I’ve been wrong before.

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
52. I don't think they acted alone.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:27 PM
Apr 2013

Follow the money...

Where did they get the money for...

Guns
Bullets
Trip to Russia
Rent/Mortgage money
Car
Clothes
College

I don't believe for a minute these 2 idiots acted alone.

still_one

(91,947 posts)
53. Who knows, however, your reasoning is flawed. The shoe bomber the times
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 07:30 PM
Apr 2013

square bomber were not the smartest either, and yes they might have had outside contact

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
57. Yea they could have had some outside contact with some lone wolves.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:26 PM
Apr 2013

However right now what do you think the chances are that they did indeed have contact with
an established terrorist organization which is on the map of the CIA..
I’ll say 20%.. Whats your number?? must be pretty high if my reasoning is so flawed..

still_one

(91,947 posts)
60. In all honesty I would not even speculate, those others I mentioned did have contact. When they
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:49 PM
Apr 2013

Home, who knows, I don't

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
59. Looks like they sympathised with some terr. groups/causes (internet useage), but nothing
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:47 PM
Apr 2013

I've read or heard that they belonged to a group. Sounds like they were wannabees.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
66. As I said...the guy described themselves as "self-radicalized" by internet useage
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 06:43 PM
Apr 2013

of terroist videos and sites.

I haven't heard tht they have been linked with any terrorist group. They were so stupid that it seems as if they were acting on their own. As I said...they were wannabees.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
63. so far anyway - the evidence shows that the two acted alone and there were no other accomplices
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 01:50 AM
Apr 2013

Did they had ever had any contacts with any outside groups or individuals that might be called Islamist terrorist? It is possible. In fact just as most Irish Catholics would have known people connected with the IRA or Sinn Fein it is reasonably probable that most or many Chechens would have known people connected with militant Chechen separatist groups - some of which would be of Islamist fundamentalist in nature. But so far there is no evidence whatsoever that any groups or even any individuals participated with them in anyway whatsoever regarding the Boston Marathon attacks.

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