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undeterred

(34,658 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:01 PM Apr 2013

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is


11 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
an angry young man
0 (0%)
a Muslim extremist carrying out the agenda of Al Quaeda
1 (9%)
the victim of his domineering older brother
2 (18%)
all of the above
0 (0%)
protesting the wrongful policies of the US in a criminal manner
0 (0%)
pure evil
0 (0%)
basically a good kid who got caught up in something really bad
0 (0%)
some combination of the above
7 (64%)
OTHER
0 (0%)
a complete mystery to me
1 (9%)
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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is (Original Post) undeterred Apr 2013 OP
...in police custody Taverner Apr 2013 #1
I don't think we know yet treestar Apr 2013 #2
I don't know. HappyMe Apr 2013 #3
Seems like a poll designed to make DU look bad. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #4
A killer (nt) bigwillq Apr 2013 #5
... in a world of shit. WheelWalker Apr 2013 #6
Yeah. I could go along with that characterization. . . Journeyman Apr 2013 #14
Someone who knowingly put a bomb in an area filled with innocent people, including children... SidDithers Apr 2013 #7
Assuming he knew what was in the backpack jberryhill Apr 2013 #8
Bomb makings were found in his dorm room. He talked to a kid in the dorm after the bombing. DevonRex Apr 2013 #11
Yeah, but he is a kid. He's 19. undeterred Apr 2013 #10
The case will be very clear DevonRex Apr 2013 #13
There's the court case undeterred Apr 2013 #16
I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer had excellent table manners too. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #24
Yep. That's about it. nt Union Scribe Apr 2013 #22
These douchebags do the same thing. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #29
... SidDithers Apr 2013 #30
I know! Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #31
... SidDithers Apr 2013 #32
Other: a psychopathic killer. No heart. No feeling for anyone else. Period. nt DevonRex Apr 2013 #9
He is the next "boogeyman" and will be a donkey for the hate radio types to pin all sorts of "tails" Erose999 Apr 2013 #12
It does matter why he did it. If we can understand why people like him do these things we can hrmjustin Apr 2013 #28
Let me rephrase this: filled with teenage dumbass bravado Taverner Apr 2013 #15
Dumbass teenage bravado HappyMe Apr 2013 #23
Dumbass Teenage Bravado can make dumb teenagers do very dumb things Taverner Apr 2013 #25
I'm inclined to agree with that jberryhill Apr 2013 #34
I'm not inclined to speculate until we know more. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #17
Other marions ghost Apr 2013 #18
He is NOT a good kid flamingdem Apr 2013 #19
An idiot... dkf Apr 2013 #20
A murderer. A piece of shit. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #21
People that murder are guilty CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #33
Meeno Peluce Bucky Apr 2013 #26
He is NOT a victim. He is evil and should spend the rest of his life in a jail cell if found hrmjustin Apr 2013 #27
Prepare yourself. DevonRex Apr 2013 #35
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Seems like a poll designed to make DU look bad.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:06 PM
Apr 2013

Choices are either overly sympathetic or crudely simplistic and reductive.

I vote "murderer."

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
7. Someone who knowingly put a bomb in an area filled with innocent people, including children...
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:10 PM
Apr 2013

Fuck him. He's not a sympathetic figure. He's not an impressionable kid. He's an adult who, with malice aforethought, left a pressure cooker bomb filled with ball bearings in an unsuspecting crowd of families.

Fuck him.

Sid

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. Assuming he knew what was in the backpack
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:14 PM
Apr 2013

Which is probably a safe assumption, but an assumption nonetheless.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
11. Bomb makings were found in his dorm room. He talked to a kid in the dorm after the bombing.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:26 PM
Apr 2013

Actually talked about the bombing while they worked out at the same time in the weight room the night of the bombing. He showed nothing. Just said, yeah, he couldn't believe it happened. Small talk.

The other kid was interviewed. I read it yesterday. Either NYT or Boston Globe. He said that was what upset him most was that he showed no emotion about it. Nothing. It creeped him out thinking about it.

And that's when I knew, too.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
10. Yeah, but he is a kid. He's 19.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:21 PM
Apr 2013

And there is a lot in his history that makes him a sympathetic figure. Nobody thought ill of him... nobody who knew him believed he would do this. His brother, they knew was an asshole.

So the fact that he did this truly horrible thing is kind of incomprehensible. Its not easy to make sense of his behavior.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
13. The case will be very clear
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:33 PM
Apr 2013

once it's put all together. But start with my post above. The fact that he can still be sociable and personable after he bombed Boston is chilling.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
16. There's the court case
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:36 PM
Apr 2013

and there's the media case. I think a lot of things will be projected onto him, as with the Newtown killer.

But with this guy it will be even more so because he is alive and there will be a defense.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer had excellent table manners too.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:03 PM
Apr 2013

There's no 'murderer' vibe that people give off--the worst serial killers are often incredibly charming.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
12. He is the next "boogeyman" and will be a donkey for the hate radio types to pin all sorts of "tails"
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013

on. It doesn't matter a hill of beans what drove the brothers Tsarnaev to bomb the marathon. HaNutty, Lush Rimjob, and Glenn BecKKK will all use him as an example to sell intolerance and xenophobia to the rubes who listen to that nonsense.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
28. It does matter why he did it. If we can understand why people like him do these things we can
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:37 PM
Apr 2013

try to prevent this stuff in the future.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
23. Dumbass teenage bravado
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:59 PM
Apr 2013

is covering somebody's house with tp or sneaking into the liquor cabinet or shoplifting.

Bombs go way past that.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
25. Dumbass Teenage Bravado can make dumb teenagers do very dumb things
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:30 PM
Apr 2013

Remember when you were 19? You were invincible - and life was JUST like it was in the movies...

Take that to another level...and you've got the Tsarnev Brothers

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. I'm inclined to agree with that
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:42 PM
Apr 2013

He's going to be cast as a character in all sorts of yarns. But at the end of the day, we seem to have a 19 year old kid - and yeah, sure, legally an adult - who is not some complex figure standing astride the course of history for any great ideal or cause.

IMHO a "cause" is really secondary to people who do this dumb shit, even if they don't believe that themselves. The "cause" is just an excuse to do something they are inclined to do because they can do it.

It's like the VERY SMALL NUMBER of psychos who enlist in the military in the hope it will give them an excuse to shoot at people. Although typically those sorts of nuts get filtered out.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
17. I'm not inclined to speculate until we know more.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:36 PM
Apr 2013

I'm sure the facts will come out at trial, or he will take a plea deal and we'll never know.

I've known some young men who have done really stupid criminal things when they were his age, up to and including murder, motivation unknown. Nineteen seems to be a difficult age.

flamingdem

(39,312 posts)
19. He is NOT a good kid
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

Anyone who selected that needs to get a brain and redo their selection. Thank-you.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
21. A murderer. A piece of shit.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:55 PM
Apr 2013

What he was before doesn't matter to me. I don't care if he was a "good kid." I don't care how many people are shocked he could do such a thing. All this boohoo sympathy for a monster is grotesque.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
33. People that murder are guilty
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:40 PM
Apr 2013

It is a heinous sin and it is unforgivable. He is indeed pure EVIL as well as a lying SOB!

We the people will likely never know the truth, never!



 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
27. He is NOT a victim. He is evil and should spend the rest of his life in a jail cell if found
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:34 PM
Apr 2013

guilty. No sympathy at all.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
35. Prepare yourself.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:11 PM
Apr 2013

It's a point system. His age and level of cooperation might not spare him. Trust me, that's why he's talking. He'd give up his mama if his mama were involved.

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