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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:35 AM Apr 2013

Krugman kicking some austerian ass this morning!

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Building A Mystery
Jared Bernstein shakes his head at what he calls “weirdness” at the Washington Post, citing an editorial and a commentary by Robert Samuelson. I second his views, but I’d like to point out something else about Samuelson’s piece.

What Samuelson does is to throw up his hands and declare that we just don’t understand what’s going on in the macroeconomy. How does he know this? He talks to several people who declare themselves deeply puzzled by events — notably, Lorenzo Bini Smaghi and Allan Meltzer.

But it’s no mystery why Bini Smaghi and Meltzer would find it all very puzzling — they personally got everything wrong. Bini Smaghi spent years sneering at anyone suggesting that Greece might need to write off some of its debts. Meltzer has been predicting runaway inflation for four years.

Some of us don’t find the macro developments puzzling at all; we applied basic IS-LM macro, understood from the beginning that monetary policy would have little traction, warned that austerity policies would have major negative effects. Basic textbook macro has in fact worked fine. And so you might think that Samuelson would ask the people who got it wrong why they got it wrong, and whether it might not be because they had the wrong framework while the Keynesians were closer to the truth.

But no; he acts as if these people are the authorities, and their personal predictive failures demonstrate that nobody can get it right.

Oh, and it goes without saying that these “experts” have not reconsidered their views at all.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/building-a-mystery/

Trap Denial
OK, probably going on too much about this, but I want to return briefly to the issue of puzzled economists, specifically Allan Meltzer.

Four years ago Meltzer and I effectively had a debate about the effects of the rapidly expanding Fed balance sheet. He (and others) warned of inflation ahead; I (and others) said that we were in a liquidity trap, so that the Fed’s bond purchases would basically just sit there.

So here we are four years later, the huge expansion of the Fed’s balance sheet has not, in fact, led to inflation. And Meltzer is puzzled by the fact that all those bond purchases just sat there:

Since late 2007, the Fed has pumped more than $2 trillion into the U.S. economy by buying bonds. Economist Allan Meltzer asked:

“Why is there such a weak response to such an enormous amount of stimulus, especially monetary stimulus?” The answer, he said, is that the obstacles to faster economic growth are not mainly monetary. Instead, they lie mostly with business decisions to invest and hire; these, he argued, are discouraged by the Obama administration’s policies to raise taxes or, through Obamacare’s mandate to buy health insurance for workers, to increase the cost of hiring.

He made a monetary prediction; I made a monetary prediction; his prediction was wrong. Therefore, it must be because of Obamacare!

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/trap-denial/

A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Folly

As I have been writing a lot lately, the clean little secret of the global economic crisis is that standard economic theory actually performed pretty well.

It’s true that few anticipated the severity of the 2008 crisis — but that wasn’t a deep failure of theory, it was a failure of observation. We actually had a pretty good understanding of bank runs; we just failed to notice that traditional banks were a much smaller share of the system than before, and that unregulated, unguaranteed shadow banks had become so important. Once that realization hit, as Gary Gorton (pdf) has documented, standard bank-run theory made perfectly good sense of the story.

And the aftermath of the crisis — persistent low interest rates despite high deficits, impotence of monetary policy, major negative impacts of fiscal austerity — may not have been what most economists or government agencies predicted, but it’s what they should have predicted; Econ 101 macroeconomics, as I often point out, has worked pretty well.

Even the euro area crisis made and makes a lot of sense in terms of standard optimum currency area theory.

The point is that radical new theories haven’t been needed at all; off-the-shelf economics, tools we already had, provided plenty of guidance.

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/a-heartbreaking-work-of-staggering-folly/
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Krugman kicking some austerian ass this morning! (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2013 OP
Paul Krugman!! The guy really cares, is brilliant and has the answers.. busterbrown Apr 2013 #1
Oh, that's not true at all. Lindsay Apr 2013 #2
As my late mother would say "they'd steal the dimes off their dead grandmother's eyes." CTyankee Apr 2013 #9
It's not just the republicans who ignore Krugman. nt magical thyme Apr 2013 #10
Absolutely true!! busterbrown Apr 2013 #12
kick hedda_foil Apr 2013 #3
I simply don't understand why this administration, Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #4
Because the lazy crooks are in charge n2doc Apr 2013 #5
It still doesn't explain why they would want to be lords of a third world country.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #6
I think they have walled themselves off from the rest of the country n2doc Apr 2013 #7
"Happened at the end of the Roman Empire too." Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #8
They are globalizing. woo me with science Apr 2013 #11
History repeats itself in endless cycles.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #13
Then they win. woo me with science Apr 2013 #14
Correct.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #16
Cannibalizing an entire nation of over 300 million people.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #15
There are always solutions and they are usually very bloody. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #17
Yes.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #18
Hehe Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #19
The lazy crooks and mindless jerks will be FATWWTRC* truebluegreen Apr 2013 #24
The rich have chosen short-term profits over the long-term health of the country. reformist2 Apr 2013 #20
Yes, that is the act.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #21
I honestly think don't they care what happens after they die. They are the ultimate in selfishness. reformist2 Apr 2013 #22
You could be correct... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #23

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
1. Paul Krugman!! The guy really cares, is brilliant and has the answers..
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:42 AM
Apr 2013

Unfortunately the republicans don’t care about answers..they just care about destroying the middle class....

Lindsay

(3,276 posts)
2. Oh, that's not true at all.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:45 AM
Apr 2013

They also care A LOT about grabbing everything that's not nailed down, and prying up what is.

CTyankee

(63,881 posts)
9. As my late mother would say "they'd steal the dimes off their dead grandmother's eyes."
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:14 PM
Apr 2013

She was a pistol...

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
12. Absolutely true!!
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:20 PM
Apr 2013

However they represent the foundation of our economic problems.
Has there ever been a Republican concept or Political Bill which has actually help move our country economically forward.. I mean ever...

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
4. I simply don't understand why this administration,
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:52 AM
Apr 2013

indeed, the entire congress continue to ignore Krugman. It makes no sense to me that they would want to follow a path that will result in the US becoming little more than a third world nation. The 'too bigs' and multinationals be damned!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. Because the lazy crooks are in charge
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:54 AM
Apr 2013

They can make money much more easily by bankrupting the country and the 99%.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
6. It still doesn't explain why they would want to be lords of a third world country....
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:59 AM
Apr 2013

Do you think they are all planning on becoming ex-pats? What about their own children and grandchildren?

I find our willingness to just allow them to accomplish whatever it is they are seeking to accomplish, even more depressing.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. I think they have walled themselves off from the rest of the country
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:06 PM
Apr 2013

Places like eastern Long Island, northern Virginia, the ski areas of Colorado, and so on. They don't interact with 'ordinary people'. They relish the idea that they can live like gods and the rest must suffer. It seems like a problem with human psychology. Happened at the end of the Roman Empire too.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
8. "Happened at the end of the Roman Empire too."
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

And, that's what worries me! It took the Roman Empire centuries to collapse completely. Life is much faster paced now... I don't think we have centuries...perhaps not even one full one.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
11. They are globalizing.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:16 PM
Apr 2013

*They* won't collapse yet, although we will. They still see huge new markets to exploit overseas as our wages are depressed in line with their serf workers in other countries.

Not to mention that they are shifting the source of their profits here at home. Rather than relying on our conspicuous consumption to enrich themselves, they are building new markets based on imprisoning and surveilling us, exploiting slave labor in private prisons, growing the war machine, and profiting not from our purchase of luxuries, but from exorbitantly charging us for the basic necessities of life.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
16. Correct....
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013

unless, like former plutocrats, they join the ranks of the 'dearly departed' as one cycle ends, and the next begins....

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
15. Cannibalizing an entire nation of over 300 million people....
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:25 PM
Apr 2013

I think there is no precedent for something this large scale.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
17. There are always solutions and they are usually very bloody.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013

French Aristocrats thought they were invulnerable too.

We will quietly move pass the tipping point. Then it will be some innocuous spark to cause blood to flow in the streets. May not happen here first.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
24. The lazy crooks and mindless jerks will be FATWWTRC*
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 02:03 PM
Apr 2013

*"first against the wall when the revolution comes"

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
21. Yes, that is the act....
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:53 PM
Apr 2013

it does not explain the why. Or how they think they can continue to rape the world endlessly and continue to survive themselves. It's as though they believe they are immortal, living on Mt.Olympus. All the lessons of history forgotten.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
22. I honestly think don't they care what happens after they die. They are the ultimate in selfishness.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 01:02 PM
Apr 2013

Caring about posterity is apparently something Ayn Rand's "philosophy" didn't teach them.

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