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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:23 AM Apr 2013

There's no need for all this economic sadomasochism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/21/no-need-for-economic-sadomasochism




The intellectual justification for austerity lies in ruins. It turns out that Harvard economists Carmen Reinhart and Ken Rogoff, who originally framed the argument that too high a "debt-to-GDP ratio" will always, necessarily, lead to economic contraction – and who had aggressively promoted it during Rogoff's tenure as chief economist for the IMF –, had based their entire argument on a spreadsheet error. The premise behind the cuts turns out to be faulty. There is now no definite proof that high levels of debt necessarily lead to recession.

Will we, then, see a reversal of policy? A sea of mea culpas from politicians who have spent the last few years telling disabled pensioners to give up their bus passes and poor students to forgo college, all on the basis of a mistake? It seems unlikely. After all, as I and many others have long argued, austerity was never really an economic policy: ultimately, it was always about morality. We are talking about a politics of crime and punishment, sin and atonement. True, it's never been particularly clear exactly what the original sin was: some combination, perhaps, of tax avoidance, laziness, benefit fraud and the election of irresponsible leaders. But in a larger sense, the message was that we were guilty of having dreamed of social security, humane working conditions, pensions, social and economic democracy.

The morality of debt has proved spectacularly good politics. It appears to work just as well whatever form it takes: fiscal sadism (Dutch and German voters really do believe that Greek, Spanish and Irish citizens are all, collectively, as they put it, "debt sinners", and vow support for politicians willing to punish them) or fiscal masochism (middle-class Britons really will dutifully vote for candidates who tell them that government has been on a binge, that they must tighten their belts, it'll be hard, but it's something we can all do for the sake of our grandchildren). Politicians locate economic theories that provide flashy equations to justify the politics; their authors, like Rogoff, are celebrated as oracles; no one bothers to check if the numbers actually add up.

If ever proof was required that the theory is selected to suit the politics, one need only consider the reaction politicians have to economists who dare suggest this moralistic framework is unnecessary; or that there might be solutions that don't involve widespread human suffering.
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There's no need for all this economic sadomasochism (Original Post) xchrom Apr 2013 OP
We live in so many Newest Reality Apr 2013 #1
Yes, well said. Quantess Apr 2013 #10
The average Joe has to sacrifice, ya know... Wednesdays Apr 2013 #2
Rich people are favored by God, otherwise He wouldn't have LuvNewcastle Apr 2013 #3
The most insane part is there are poor people who believe this applies to everyone but themselves Taitertots Apr 2013 #12
It's economic terrorism. Initech Apr 2013 #4
They are also the REAL Useless Eaters--a bunch of Parasites Killing the Country Demeter Apr 2013 #7
Got that right. Initech Apr 2013 #8
Excellent article. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #5
Right, cherry pick a hypothesis from no name economics professors and xtraxritical Apr 2013 #6
No apologies needed. "Fuck you all." Armstead Apr 2013 #9
Holy $***! That Levy Institute idea is ****ing brilliant Recursion Apr 2013 #11

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. We live in so many
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 09:42 AM
Apr 2013

deeply imbedded myths that the mirage seems real and, when all is said and done, Amercianism is akin to a religion unto itself.

The problem is that the adherents may only vaguely be aware that they are avid followers and members of the faithful.

In that sense, they avoid the heresy, (its too complicated and depressing, pessimistic and cynical) of the political, economic and policy atheists who peel up the corners of the grand and profitable facade saying, "Take a look at this! It's really an ugly monster under there. It's an insecure ogre hooked on conflict and acquisition."

The suffering is profitable, therefore will continue. The suffering provides negative incentives, (in politics, economics and policy) to stay in line and follow the Homeland etiquette or deal with the consequences. It will grow worse. That's inevitable when the the Status Quo works with precision and distraction and ignorance prevail.

You are supporting it until you see you are and decide not to. That's really going to happen? What's the incentive?

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
10. Yes, well said.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:40 PM
Apr 2013

Even money itself is a "mirage" and an illusion that is only real because we all believe in it.

LuvNewcastle

(16,838 posts)
3. Rich people are favored by God, otherwise He wouldn't have
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013

blessed them with so much. The have-nots must sacrifice to gain His favor so that they will also be rewarded.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
12. The most insane part is there are poor people who believe this applies to everyone but themselves
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:56 PM
Apr 2013

That all poor people (except them) are poor because they are lazy, stupid, selfish.....

Initech

(100,043 posts)
4. It's economic terrorism.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:41 AM
Apr 2013

In the war on terror the people who actually commit terrorism are the ones who actively work to suppress an entire population economically. One of Osama's stated goals was to bankrupt America. Well the scumbag billionaire class beat him to it. Charles and David Koch have done more damage to America than Al Qaeda could ever dream of.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
8. Got that right.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:24 PM
Apr 2013

The mom on welfare working three jobs to put a roof over her kids' heads? Not a threat. The deregulated multi billion corporation looting our treasury through tax loopholes and subsidiaries while raking billions in profit? Who are the real takers here??

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
5. Excellent article.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:44 AM
Apr 2013

Thatcher's economic policies were described by Iain Gilmour, a moderate Conservative of that time, as 'sado-monetarism'. It has got worse since!

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
6. Right, cherry pick a hypothesis from no name economics professors and
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:06 PM
Apr 2013

ignore Robert Reich and Paul Krugman economic Nobel laureates and Phds. Not to mention ignoring history staring you right in the face the Great Depression and the Keynesian policies that finally pulled us out of it. The history of the Great Depression also clearly demonstrate that Hoover's austerity policy's were a failure. Cherry picking is too kind, it's a Pete Peterson/Koch financed criminal conspiracy.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. Holy $***! That Levy Institute idea is ****ing brilliant
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 06:46 PM
Apr 2013

Make Irish bonds redeemable in all circumstances for payment of Irish taxes. That solves, as far as I can see, basically every problem.

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