Tsanaev should be put to death

[Brooklyns_Finest]

Swiftly after conviction from a jury of his peers.

The crimes he was accused of.

The smugness of his face and his hat worn backwards on those pictures.

The killing of the police officer.

Running over his brother to get away from the police. (Apparently he was trying to run over police but killed his brother instead).

And now him spilling his guts, blaming it all on his older brother.

This all leads me to believe that he is a man without any conscience, direction, morals, backbone, or conviction. We really need to make an example out of him. I don't agree with torture, but I do think he is a waste of life that needs to be eliminated.

Fuck him and his mother ( is she a citizen? If not we should deport her). The uncle was right to break ties with that satan spawned family. I'm sorry, I'm just mad as hell that the boy is now blaming everything on his dead brother. You just know he is lying to save his ass.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. There is this matter of a trial, but whatever

This smells of troll.

[elleng]

4. Smells of IGNORANT troll,

or is that redundant?

[cynatnite]

5. Agreed. n/t

[Brooklyns_Finest]

8. After the trial

Of course, but its a forgone conclusion the out come. What we do with him after conviction is what matters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. No, it s not forgone

While death is an option, by law there are a series of appeals. It could take upwards of two decades.

Also the Feds have the option of not seeking the death penalty. There are valid reasons for that, ranging from the age and cooperation of the suspect, all the way to the state where the crime was committed does not have a death penalty.

The Feds tend not to seek it in states without the DP.

If you are in law enforcement you should know this.

Anyway life in prison is both practical and cheaper.

[Electric Monk]

11. "...his hat worn backwards..." Ok, I'm convinced.

[cynatnite]

13. I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. n/t

[Dorian Gray]

71. Ha

I noticed that right away. If ever there was a reason to execute someone, wearing a baseball cap backwards is one of them!

[whathehell]

140. Can we put a moratorium on the "hat" reference now, please?

The OP was pointing it out as another indication, along with his smile, of his

smugness and complete lack of caring about killing innocent people.

I agree with the OP, not necessarily on the DP, but the fact that he appears

to lack a conscience. He's probably sociopathic and I say this because

no decent human SMILES as they prepare to kill innocents -- None.

Oh, and btw, I've already read a post by someone else here calling out his "smug smile",

and ya know what?....Nobody here said a word...Funny, that

[Bucky]

178. You mean put a cap on it?

Ha! I kill me!!

[whathehell]

182. Yes, you could put it that way!

[chelsea0011]

94. and, he is smug

[panader0]

109. That's the clincher!

[sarisataka]

117. I was against the death penalty but

that won me over

Hat Backwards: OFF WITH HIS HEAD

[HiPointDem]

39. +1.

[Warpy]

81. It REEKS of troll

Ignorant, angry, vengeful troll.

[cynatnite]

2. Wow, aren't you a shiny example of justice and humanity. n/t

[OriginalGeek]

3. I disagree

Life in prison. Study him. Revenge gets us nothing. Study may get us something. And will suck for him.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

6. There enough people to study

You want to study a terrorist, go talk to ramzi yusef.

You want to study a rampage killer, go talk to the aurora shooter.

The list goes on and on.

Lets just get rid of this trash.

[OriginalGeek]

9. Nope

Never enough people to study.

Death penalty is useless.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

14. Spending Tens of thousands

A year keeping him locked up in a super max is a better solution?

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. It is actually cheaper

[Common Sense Party]

35. I don't think so.

Average cost for a federal prison cell is north of $25,000 a year.

The Urban Institute did a study and concluded that the cost of a Supermax cell is triple that, $75,000 a year.

That is not chump change.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. With all appeals and all that

Yes, life in prison is cheaper.

There is also the morality of it. But serious, it is cheaper.

Here

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

[cui bono]

68. +1

[Floyd_Gondolli]

124. Isn't DPIC opposed to the death penalty?

I'd be interested in seeing similar data from an organization without a dog in the fight.

[OriginalGeek]

17. Absolutely

Death penalty is always the wrong answer.

[Ed Suspicious]

60. State sponsored revenge killing seems not great to me. nt

[gateley]

126. No matter what, I don't think I could ever consider human beings "trash".

You've got an ugly heart.

[whathehell]

133. You know, Gately, I agree with you about calling people "trash"

but I've noticed that when DUers call people like Sarah Palin "white trash"

nobody seems to care.

If it needs be said, I can't stand Palin..but I do hate the term "white trash"

or "trailer trash" as it basically denigrates people for being poor.

Calling a murderer "trash" seems a lot less ugly, to be honest.

[gateley]

156. I actually think that "getting rid of this trash" -- killing the person --

is worse than a tasteless, crude slam.

We really shouldn't use the term in either instance.

[whathehell]

159. You've got a point there.

I actually hadn't read the whole post (I know - my bad) so I didn't see it in this context.

You're right..It shouldn't be used in either instance

By the way, have I told you that you're one of my favorite people on DU?

[gateley]

174. Do you know you just made my day??

What an AWESOME thing to say!

And right back at you!

[whathehell]

181. I did?..Wow...Thanks...You actually made my day!

Gately, you inspire "awesome", if only by continuing to be of the few

intelligent, genuinely nice, sane people left on DU.

At this point, getting a response that does NOT contain: accusations,

deliberate misinterpretations, or flat out nastiness is an honest achievement!

I just read your wonderful PM by the way, and I want you to know that

I'll be responding to it very soon. Thanks much.

[LostOne4Ever]

167. I agree with you

Calling people "trash" is dehumanizing them. It is almost always by dehumanizing their victims that people are able to commit acts like this, and we must avoid that at all costs lest we become no better than they are.

[Tx4obama]

21. No one ever studies them. Even Jeffrey Dahmer was not studied. As far as terrorists...

As far as terrorists there are already tons of them in the Colorado Florence SuperMax prison - if they need one to study.

Scroll the page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adx_florence

[OriginalGeek]

25. Yeah, well I'm just saying they should..

but we can't study them if they are dead.

Each individual is different. Studying one doesn't mean we have all terrorists figured out. The more data we can collect the better.

And even if we don't study them, it's still cheaper to keep them.

[Mariana]

58. They have been studied in excruciating detail.

The FBI profilers, for example, have interviewed hundreds of killers of various kinds, often multiple times. That's how they learned enough about them to be able to profile in the first place.

[jberryhill]

127. Are profilers better than Ouija boards?

That's a serious question. I don't know the answer.

I thought I had read something a while back to the effect that they are about as accurate as "psychics".

[stevenleser]

130. They are good at profiling them in terms of how they act, but not why.

That is the holy grail of course. If you can figure out the why you have at least the beginnings of a chance at prevention.

[jberryhill]

131. Correct me if I'm wrong

But haven't there been instances in which profilers have set investigators on a trail which delayed or missed the actual suspects?

Profiling is one investigative tool, but I had somewhere gotten the impression, which may be wrong, that it is highly hit or miss.

[Mariana]

162. Predicting what a particular human being will do

can never be done with anything like 100% accuracy. That doesn't make it a waste of time and effort, any more than meteorology is a waste of time and effort because weather forecasts sometimes wrong. If the profilers help police to catch some criminals and prevent some crimes, they've done a good and useful thing. The more they learn, the better they get at it.

There have been some books written by and about the FBI profilers. They contain a lot of information on how they study criminals, how they go about composing a profile and making predictions, and how their work has been applied in real cases. It's a fascinating subject.

[jberryhill]

172. Richard Jewell was unimpressed by it

His case is one of the FBI failing to go after the real suspect because he fit the "profile", is it not?

[tularetom]

7. That's sort of for a jury to decide

But I'm glad you don't agree with "torcher".

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Slow down there cowboy

There's a little something called the Constitution.

The suspect has a right to a trial and an attorney and can't be executed swiftly just because YOU think he's "satan spawned".

Don't like it? Too bad.

[HiPointDem]

40. +1. what is it tonight with all the op's slavering for death before trial?

[Mariana]

55. Lynch mob envy. nt.

[OwnedByCats]

82. Because more and more people

seem ok with denying people their constitutional rights.

They should be careful what rights they deny others because someday it could happen to them. If it can be taken from one person, it can be taken away from anyone.

[rightsideout]

15. One edit to your synopsis

He wasn't trying to run over his brother. He was actually trying to run over the cops.

The cops had his brother on the ground and was handcuffing him when the car came right at them and they dived out of the way.

Another reason is his smugness after the bombing. He went to school the next day and to a party like nothing happened. The kid has no sense of empathy or guilt for what he's done.

But we have a justice system and he needs to go through the process.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

19. I should have said after he is convicted.

I'll edit my post, but out of all the rampage killing that has happened in the past few years, this one bothers me the most.

"Oh, my brother made me do it".


Crazy, I can deal with.

Religious fanatic I can deal with.

My big brother made me do it. I can't deal with that excuse.

[cynatnite]

20. He said his brother made him do it? n/t

[HiPointDem]

44. no. he hasn't said anything yet so far as we've been told. just people inventing stuff.

[Junkpet]

29. You obviously have no understanding human behavior...

...his brother was probably his single greatest influence, was a manipulator, larger than life and more than likely his only real hero. His brother was the extrovert and he is an introvert...it's easy to see how this played out. I'm not feeling sorry for the guy, but it's not hard to see that his cowboy loser brother who had experienced the hard Chechen life with nothing else to lose and all his aspirations in America taken away from him would radicalize and take with him his young easily influenced younger brother. Again, I repeat, the younger brother should spend his life in prison, but outside of that, there's a lot that can and should be learned from this situation and his information can help.

It blows me away how few people actually understand human behavior.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

41. Nothing to be learned from him

There are a ton of terrorist in colorado that aren't being studied; this kid would just be another one. Execution after conviction is the best form of justice.

Maybe we can study his cadaver.

[OriginalGeek]

45. lol, no

You have no fucking idea if there's nothing to be learned from him.

You can study his cadaver after he dies in prison.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Then there was the Psychologist

On my tv no less, who has interviewed them...

Now perhaps I miss my cue, but isn't that studying them in some form? Today no less...funny dat!

[Summer Hathaway]

63. Well, you would know

You seem to be the poster boy for someone that nothing can be learned from.

[kestrel91316]

107. I can always tell the trolls because they never seem to understand that

singular and plural forms of most words are different from each other, and that you make a plural by adding an "s" to the end of "terrorist".

Third grade english, dude.

[whathehell]

160. Could we stop the trashing already?

He's not a troll just because he believes in the death penalty in some instances.

I've been here for years, am certainly no "troll" and I admit to having mixed feelings

about it. Norman Goldman, Ed Schultz's "legal analyst" and frequent fill-in, now has a regular spot

on Progressive Radio is a a lawyer and has said that he does believe in the Death Penalty,

in some particularly egregious instances....Many people do...it doesn't make them "trolls"

because you have a different opinion.

[BanzaiBonnie]

105. Their mother said that he was taught to obey his older brother.

That was how she raised them and she seemeed proud of that. It's cultural. I'd be watching the mom closely. She seems pretty radical herself and willing to break the law.

My observation, of what I've seen of the mother, is that's where the rage came from.

[whathehell]

138. Oh please...You have no basis for that conclusion.

and having an opinion you and some others disagree with, doesn't equate to it.

[Th1onein]

132. Brooklyns Finest, you DO realize you are posting on a liberal forum, right?

I mean, after all, we are progressives here. Most of us do not support the death penalty. And for many, many good reasons.

Are you just ignorant of the forum on which you post, or do you want to start an argument?

[Gman]

18. Life in prison without parole is much worse

for him at his age.

[Tx4obama]

22. He'll be sent to Florence SuperMax, see below

Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2013, 01:49 AM - Edit history (1)

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adx_florence

[OriginalGeek]

27. religious programming would be torture for me

and the rest don't look too comfy either. I'm fine with him living out his natural life in that cell.

[musical_soul]

23. I questioned whether he should be put to death....

To be honest with you, I'm fed up with the random killing. There's no excuse in it, not even mental health reasons.

However, I've concluded it would be better for him to be locked up for the rest of his life to think about what he did. Perhaps he'll eventually be remorseful. That's not important to everybody, but it's important to me.

[defacto7]

26. There is nothing we can do about the things he has done.

Nothing we do to him will make it any better. The best thing we can do for the victim's families is justice. The best thing we can do for society is to have him disappear completely from view and not become a pinup for some other would be be perp or be executed and become a martyr. The best thing we can do for humanity is to rise above their level and be human.

To me, the most important thing is that he will not be breeding. At least in that there is a genetic dead end.

[Jack Sprat]

28. Hold your fire for now.

There is plenty to be learned from this guy. Even if he was just inspired by internet sites as he claims, it begs to examine how easily that made a mass killer of he and his brother.

As has been explained by legal beagles on air, a life sentence might be exchanged for any valuable intelligence he might offer. That would be the only way he can escape a death sentence more than likely. A jury of peers is not going to be sympathetic to his laying it all off on the older brother.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

34. As mentioned

By a poster above, we never study these people. They are there to rot at the tax payers expense for decades.

And I'm not so sure putting him on death would be more costly than execution. The DC Sniper and Oklahoma City bomber didn't spend too much time on death row before execution.

[kestrel91316]

111. McVeigh spent only 6 years on death row, IIRC, but that was only because

he forbade his attorneys to appeal his conviction and sentence.

If the attorneys appeal, which they do in 99.9999999999% of cases, it takes decades to work through all that, except in Texas, which has extremely limited DP appeal rights.

[Blue Owl]

30. An eye for an eye, until the whole world is blind?

n/t

[Recursion]

31. Can you remind me where smugness of face and backwardness of hat are on the sentencing guidelines?

I seem to have missed that.

[tblue]

50. Who the hell cares what he was wearing?

Has nothing to do with anything. This op is an exercise in venting, so okay fine. We all are emotional about what happened. That's why we have a system of laws instead of Oxbow Cowboy justice. That was another time, one that we have, thankfully, moved past.

[Newest Reality]

32. I do wonder

if you have ever read your own thoughts and wondered just how you came to project those kinds of feelings on someone else?

Is it a choice or a compulsion? Is it the product of bad experiences or, repressed anger, or behavior modeled from others?

Are there other options available to you, or is the only way you can frame it and respond? I'm not judging you, just wondering if you are capable of insight and maybe reflection on the sense of violence that you are portraying about violence and why that seems to be a solution to something in your self.

[longship]

33. Meh! As expected. No other comment. nt

[Arctic Dave]

36. Derp

Brooklyns derpest.

[applegrove]

37. Death penalty is more expensive than incarceration for life. Death penalty is not a deterrent. Death

penalty brutalizes the society that accepts it.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

46. Haven't you noticed

We live in a very brutal world.

[kestrel91316]

113. It would be LESS brutal if we all didn't walk around with that vengeance

mindset that seems so common today, and that accounts in large part for much of our GUN violence along with terrorism.

Why do you hate the Constitution and the concept of civil rights for ALL??

[Warren Stupidity]

128. So by all means, piling on the brutality will make it better. Brilliant.

[bike man]

118. Neither incarceration nor the death penalty are deterrents. They are both punishments

for whatever misdeeds were committed.

The *prospect* or *fear* of the death penalty or periods of incarceration are (or should be) the deterrent.

[DevonRex]

42. Classes of Offenses & Federal Sentencing Guidelines - Wikipedia

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classes_of_offenses_under_United_States_federal_law

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Sentencing_Guidelines

"United States Federal Sentencing Guidelines
The Federal Sentencing Guidelines are rules that set out a uniform sentencing policy for individuals and organizations convicted of felonies and serious (Class A) misdemeanors[1] in the United States federal courts system. The Guidelines do not apply to less serious misdemeanors."
Snip

It's a point system. The prosecutors must fill out a worksheet with aggravating and anticipated alleviating factors on it. The defense will do their best to point out why death should not result, like his age. The judge has his/her own worksheet to fill out. Pretty much the numbers tell the story and what the sentence will be. The greatest leeway is at the outset, whether to seek the death penalty; however, that is also the moment of greatest public pressure to do so.

[Whisp]

43. his mother? I have been away and don't know much of this but

wtf does his mother have to do with this?

as I said, I am out of the loop of the regular weekly blamey thing. But if you want satan family, look to biggerness, like the Cheney bush thing.

[uppityperson]

47. Wearing a hat backwards means he has no conscience, morals, backbone, conviction, direction? Well

how about that.

[Marrah_G]

100. And here I thought it just made a person look like a tool....

[whathehell]

161. Um, no, and he never said that...Quit with the willful misunderstanding.

He said his entire bearing, the smile, and the hat turned casually backwards

made him seem "smug" and bereft of conscience regarding the deaths he was

plotting, and frankly, I agree with him.

Not saying he should get the DP -- which is what you really hate him for, anyway -- but

I understand his feelings of deep seated anger at this little sicko who can kill

innocents while smiling.

[Trajan]

49. I'm against the barbarity of capital punishment

I'm against the state promoting death for death ... The state should not execute people ... even criminals ... Life-long incarceration is just as effective in stopping a criminal from committing further crime against society ... Killing them isn't necessary for our own survival, and incarceration is simply cheaper to boot ....

Sure .. Try him to the fullest and obtain a guilty verdict ... Then, lock him up, and walk away with integrity ...

Your version is pretty extreme - It's not how I look at the world ...

[Rowdyboy]

51. If so, hopefully it will not be for any of the reasons you reference....

How hateful and misguided.

[Apophis]

52. Wow.

Seriously? How would putting him to death make him pay? Revenge killing solves nothing.

Make him rot in a prison cell to think about what he did.

[dkf]

53. He is a stupid stupid kid who was given horrible mentors.

I am more pissed at Tamerlan who should have known better.

But mostly I am pissed if there was a figure of authority, religious or otherwise, who convinced them this was the way to some great thing.

These guys are only pawns. They are out of commission. But whoever convinced them to do this is still out there and that is the person who needs the death penalty because they prey on vulnerable lost souls.

This kid will be punished, I have no doubt. But to think this is the end game is naive.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

54. So who is this buggy man you speak of?

And unless he specifically ordered the boys to perform the attacks, then why should he be punished?

[dkf]

62. He needs to be punished because he could create the next bomber.

[LancetChick]

112. It's "Bogeyman", Sweet Pea.

And the more you talk, the more you sound just like the Tsarnaev brothers. I hope you aren't a police officer. You lack the ability to control your emotions.

[kestrel91316]

114. "Buggy" man?? Now you're dragging the Amish into this??

Dude. Spelling.

"Boogyman".

[madinmaryland]

142. Huh? You never heard of the Amish Mafia. Lebanon Levi will bust your ass...

[whathehell]

134. He's not "stupid" and I'm tired of hearing people explain MORAL failings that way

He's not stupid -- He's bad..Yeah, I KNOW he had a bad "mentor"

in the brother, but a lot of things the OP said are true...This guy

was COCKY, arrogant about his crimes...Did you hear how

he tweeted "Man those people are COOKED"...words to that effect?

and how he had the balls to go BACK to his dorm room and chat

casually about the bombings, essentially shrugging and saying

"these things happen" and how "bad" he thought the bombing was.

I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but please

don't try to minimize his crimes with that "stupid kid" stuff..The

world is FULL of stupid kids...Most are not killing people and smiling

as they do it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. So, killing him will give us ".. conscience, direction, morals, backbone, or conviction."?

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

[MrSlayer]

57. Yes, he should.

Like the Aurora case and the Tucson case, this is the textbook open and shut case. There's no doubt he did it, there's no chance they have the wrong guy. It's not word against word, it's not circumstantial evidence. The pictures and after actions alone are enough, they probably have video of the deed being committed.

So he'll have a fair trial, he'll be convicted and he should get one appeal for mercy. After that, lights out.

There's no need for it to be drawn out and expensive.

[kestrel91316]

115. One appeal? So you want to disregard the will of the people

regarding the right to appeal in a DP case?? You want to deny him rights guaranteed by the Constitution??

Wow.

If you want to try to get a law passed that limits appeal rights, you might try that, but it will probably fail to survive appeals because it would be unconstitutional.

I hope somebody near and dear to you faces the threat of the DP someday in spite of being either innocent or having extremely mitigating circumstances. Maybe THEN you would understand the importance of the appeals process to ALL accused.

[MrSlayer]

122. Apparently, I must elucidate further.

One appeal for people like this guy. Definite, no doubt about it, guilty people. There is no purpose in giving people that are absolutely guilty millions of appeals. It just wastes time and money that could be better spent on, say, those people that may indeed be innocent.

Why must everything be taken to an extreme? I clearly stated I wanted the one appeal to apply to this dude and his ilk. Never once did I say or imply that I wanted to get rid of the appeals system altogether for every case.

Come on.

[LostOne4Ever]

168. Thing is

Thing is there is no such thing as definite guilty people. If there was we wouldn't need a Justice system. What is more we now live in an age where photos and even videos can be faked. Even assuming that there were definite cases, making that assumption would do nothing more than invite abuse from the government.

OH hes guilty no doubt about it. No Need for an 2nd appeal.

Then it becomes

OH hes guilty no doubt about it. No Need for an appeal.

Then it becomes

OH hes guilty no doubt about it. No need for a trial (Lindsey Graham)

This is a very dangerous path to walk down.

[MrSlayer]

173. That's fair.

You may very well be right about that. When do you ever give them an inch that they don't take a mile?

I suppose in a perfect world this wouldn't be a concern but this world is not perfect.
But no one is going to do the things I suggest anyway.

I see what you're saying.

[madinmaryland]

146. So you are saying he should face the DP?? I should expect no less from an Eagles fan. nt

[MrSlayer]

147. You never miss an opportunity to take a stupid cheap shot.

Fucking right he should pay with his life.

What does football have to do with anything? I live here, my allegiance is to my home team. If I lived in Cleveland I'd be a Browns fan.

You might as well say you'd expect nothing less from a Led Zeppelin fan or someone that likes pizza.

You really are a jackass sometimes.

[madinmaryland]

150. A "cheap shot" is "using" an Al Sharpton avatar while advocating the DP. That is FUCKING disgusting

At least the Eagles organization only puts the miscreants in jail after the drunken rants.

[MrSlayer]

157. I'm not here to please you.

As usual, you change the subject and take no responsibility for your dumb statement.

I like Al Sharpton, that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he says. I'm neither a Christian nor a minister. I'm not obligated to follow any ideology but my own.

[Heidi]

59. Why the specific mention of the "killing of the police officer"

and no specific mention of the others who were killed?

Smugness, indeed.

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Swiftly after conviction from a jury of his peers.

The crimes he was accused of.

The smugness of his face and his hat worn backwards on those pictures.

The killing of the police officer.

Running over his brother to get away from the police. (Apparently he was trying to run over police but killed his brother instead).

And now him spilling his guts, blaming it all on his older brother.

This all leads me to believe that he is a man without any conscience, direction, morals, backbone, or conviction. We really need to make an example out of him. I don't agree with torture, but I do think he is a waste of life that needs to be eliminated.

Fuck him and his mother ( is she a citizen? If not we should deport her). The uncle was right to break ties with that satan spawned family. I'm sorry, I'm just mad as hell that the boy is now blaming everything on his dead brother. You just know he is lying to save his ass.

[hlthe2b]

61. Mother issues much? Geebus

Authoritarianism/Revenge fantasies gone amuck...

Prospects of life in prison at a Supermax facility will feel like hell on earth for a 19 yo young man.

[sibelian]

64. Ah... the striking of attitudes.

I know it'll make you feel better but it really isn't a very good idea to kill people because they make you feel bad.

[tkmorris]

65. Brooklyn's Finest what exactly?

He should get, at maximum, life in prison. That is all ANYONE should get. Sentencing people to death is a shameful reflection of us and it is time we rose above those baser natures.

[kestrel91316]

116. BF is probably a cop, so he doesn't give a shit about the other victims,

just the cop. Nobody else matters. We're all vermin to them: perps and potential perps.

[TexasTowelie]

66. Don't worry about his mother.

She is in Dagestan now.

[cui bono]

67. Oh well, since he wore his hat backwards, of course!

[Douglas Carpenter]

69. especially given that he is but 19 - I hope some day he can find rehabilitation and redemptions and

rejoin society. I hope that for every one.

[MFM008]

70. no

heck, the unabomber is still alive. Throw him in a super max and forget about him.

[morningfog]

72. He wore his hat backwards! Kill him!

Death penalty is always the wrong choice. Always.

[Terra Alta]

73. Because killing him will bring his victims back to life, right?

Killing him accomplishes nothing, except it's a form of revenge, and we aren't a revengeful society, or we shouldn't be anyway.

[Iggo]

74. Nah.

[Logical]

75. Find another board! Like a GOP one. But leave this one. You scare me! n-t

[spanone]

76. i don't know anyone is lying to save their ass, but you sure do.

[baldguy]

77. No. We claim to be better than he is. We need to prove it.

[marmar]

78. 4 recs for this strident post?

nt

[Orangepeel]

79. Making an example of him will certainly deter all the other would be jihadists

You know, all of them sitting around weighing the pros and cons of planting bombs and killing cops. If this guy is rotting in a supermax prison they might think they can get away with it. But if we kill him, oh, boy, that'll make 'em think twice. It isn't like any of them *want* to die for the cause.

[BeyondGeography]

80. Can't say I disagree

[Zen Democrat]

83. The Death Penalty should be banned everywhere, including the US and Saudi Arabia.

[TroglodyteScholar]

84. Nah.

We could be better than that.

[Progressive dog]

85. It is wrong for a state to have the death penalty

and the stupid reasons for a death penalty in this OP proves it.

[lastlib]

153. +100! the State should NEVER have the power to take life.

It makes a mockery of our founding document.

[malaise]

86. And everyone in Brooklyn should be stopped and searched

if you know what I mean - where does this shit end?

[DonCoquixote]

87. dude, that would HELP HIM

people who do this want to be martyrs. I do not just mean religion, hell, Mark David Chapman still gives interviews about how he shot John Lennon, and cries crocodile tears.

[randome]

88. But maybe he'll take up painting after he's 'retired'.

[WinkyDink]

89. I just love it when patriots want to circumvent the judicial system!

[Trajan]

129. Yes .... They need to ignore the justice system in order to preserve it!

[City Lights]

90. I am against the death penalty. Period. nt

[polly7]

91. No. nt.

[MineralMan]

92. Smugness and a backwards hat, I can deal with.

Now, if he wore his pants low, exposing his boxers, then off with his head!

If you understood how your post actually makes you look, you'd self-delete it. That's something I recommend strongly.

[OwnedByCats]

93. I used to be for the death penalty for

certain people. I would look at it on a case by case basis and terrorists, serial killers and many that were convicted of 1st degree murder usually ended up on my personal Capitol Punishment list.

However one day many years ago I was reading some quotes by Ghandi and had to ask myself a very important question. If I was asked to make the decision to give someone death or be the one to "flip the switch" or administer the injections myself, I had to honestly say that no, I wouldn't. I did not want that responsibility. I had to admit to myself that no matter how much of a scum bag the person might be, I couldn't do the dirty work myself. How can I be for it but never able to consider doing it if it was on my say so? My worst nightmare scenario that could happen would be that I would find out the person I executed was actually innocent. I wouldn't want that on my conscience.

I also came to the conclusion that it's quite hypocritical to believe in it. Murder is illegal and immoral, but it's ok for our court system to do it and say "do as I say, not as I do"? Two wrongs don't make a right, we should be taking the higher road, not stooping to their level.

Now if you're the sort of person who would have no scruples about not only making that decision, but flipping the switch - then I guess you're not as hypocritical as I was, but the eye for an eye hypocrisy is still there.

[Pachamama]

96. Have some friends in Boston who say "The punishment should fit the crime"

.....they said put him in a crowded and confined space and put a pressure cooker bomb in a backpack made with the exact kind of shrapnel that he exploded on the crowd at the Marathon in Boston right by him and detonate. If he survives, with mangled lower limbs and shrapnel cut into him, then after excruciating and painful recovery, make him wear a sign publicly forever stating he is the Boston Marathon Bomber. Maybe for a secondary punishment, have a Mercedes SUV come barreling at him and remind him thats actually how his brother died. Make him have to do the remaining lifetime of penance to each of the victims of his handywork, starting with the families of the dead and the injured.

That would be better than solitary confinement in a Super Max or the death penalty...

[WinkyDink]

180. And his shop-lifting mother should have her offending hand cut off!

You have some barbaric friends.

[nobodyspecial]

97. "We really need to make an example out of him."

Do you think the other terrorists will change their minds? "Oh no. I may face the death penalty so I'm not going to carry out this bomb attack."

And, for these idiots, being killed "in a blaze of glory" while carrying out their plot is a high honor. Being put to death by the state would be second. They want to die -- just like McVeigh wanted to be put to death. The best punishment would be to force them to live the rest of their lives locked up in prison.

[Solly Mack]

98. Fart noises.

[Marrah_G]

99. I hope he isn't

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

101. Why are you posting here?

Advocating the death penalty for anyone, no matter how terrible their crime (and even if they looked smug and wore their hat backwards) is not a progressive value.

You look like an ass.

[whathehell]

145. Because he has an opinion, and, as far as I know, he's actually allowed to post it.

Please let us all know when it is against DU rules to NOT be against the death penalty.

I word it that way because I have mixed feelings about it.

Sorry if that offends you.

[Sheldon Cooper]

102. Sure you don't want him drawn and quartered first?

The bloodlust. Sheesh.

[darkangel218]

103. His name is Tsarnaev not Tsanaev nt

[liberalmuse]

104. Oh lawd.

Tribalism is alive and well.

[kestrel91316]

106. Oh dear. Where to start........

1) His mother is in Russia. How do you propose we deport her, and to where?

2) There IS that little matter of a trial first. Hate to pester you about that.....

3) You want the death penalty because he wore his hat backwards??

4) If he did this with any religious motivation, execution will make him a martyr to his fellow nuts. You actually WANT that??

[backscatter712]

108. This opinion will make you as popular as pork chops in a mosque... n/t

[LeftishBrit]

110. He has done unimaginably awful things but...

the death penalty because someone has a smug face and wears their hat backwards? How is that relevant? Are you serious?

If I thought the death penalty would deter such people, I might support it, but it obviously wouldn't. People like that are prepared to be martyrs. Look at the 9-11 terrorists, or the London bombers (also home-grown) of July 2005 - prepared to kill themselves in the cause. Look at Tim McVeigh who was quite prepared for the death penalty and never contested it.

And if I'm correct, Mama doesn't even live in America so how could she be deported?

[whathehell]

154. There seems to be a lot of willful misunderstanding here.

I'm not necessarily in favor of the DP, but clearly the OP was referencing

his smugness and yes, the way his hat was casually pushed back, plus the smile, if you happened

to see it, IS indicative of that...That impression has been REINFORCED, by the way,

with more further reports about his actions after the bombings. This sick little fuck

was actually gleeful in his tweet "Man, those people are COOKED"!....He also,

if you didn't know, had the gall and complete lack of conscience to go back to

his dorm room after the murders, and involve himself in a deceptive conversation

about the bombings, like "Yeah...stuff happens"..."it's bad", all the while

knowing what he did and prepared to kill more.

[Myrina]

119. Unrec and Dislike.

Thankfully you will most likely not be on whatever jury hears the case & decides his fate BASED ON THE EVIDENCE ONLY, NOT EMOTIONAL TORCH & PITCHFORK REACTION.

WTF is wrong with people? We're all turning into fucking Neanderthals!!

[GeorgeGist]

120. Hello, freeper.

Before you execute someone ...you ought to know how to spell their name.

[Rex]

121. I won't cry if he gets life in prison.

That would be another 40 - 60 years without contact from the outside world. In total isolation. But you would grant him a quick release for his sins...so I guess your way is better.

[GoneOffShore]

123. No - and are you sure you're in the right place?

We do have the rule of law in this country. And innocent until proven guilty.

And some places are getting with the program and abolishing the death penalty.

So, no.

No matter how much you believe in revenge.

[Dpm12]

125. NO ONE should be put to death

Unless someone is accused of crimes against humaity, I would not support the death penalty

[SirRevolutionary]

135. Many that live deserve death.

And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends. ~ How can you argue with Gandalf?

[steve2470]

136. This makes me wish for return of Unrec nt

[AsahinaKimi]

149. oh yeah!

what you said.

[bigwillq]

137. Strap bombs to each one of his limbs

and set them off one by one in 20 minute intervals.

Eye for an eye. That's real justice.

You steal; we cut your hands off.
You rape; we cut your cock off.



I am against the death penalty in its current state because if takes so damn long for these losers to die. If you're going to sentence someone to death, do it on the spot. Not 25 years later.

[oneshooter]

139. No. Since he is of Islam then the punishment must be according to their laws.

He is to be beheaded, and the two parts buried separately in unmarked graves.

This guarantees no entry into heaven.

[bigwillq]

143. I'm fine with that.

[Atticus]

141. You and Ted Nugent---

Separated at birth?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022735937

[RedCappedBandit]

144. Nope.

[Jamaal510]

148. No, that's too extreme.

Prison is a harsh enough punishment for him. At least with prison, he will have the time to think about what he did, and he could be used as a deterrent for people who contemplate terrorist attacks in the future.
Everyone should have a right to live.

[octothorpe]

151. What if he is found not guilty?

[jonthebru]

152. What got me was the smugness as he walked around the corner

at the moment the explosion happened. That was a picture.

But I feel at 19 we should keep him alive in solitary for the rest of his life with maybe an hour outside of his cell in a cage, alone, for exercise. That would be good enough for me. But he will probably get death.

[still_one]

155. I realize that emotion runs high, however, if someone had their

child or family member killed or maimed would it be that easy to say no death penalty?

And if so then hypothetically speaking would the person who is against not themselves kill the perpetrator to save their family member

My point is these issues are very subjective, and each will feel strongly based on their experience

The runner who lost both legs, the only daughter from china, the little boy, nothing happens in a vacuum

[Dan]

158. I see a 19 year old kid....

[flvegan]

163. What makes you any different from him?

He acted on emotion, as you are doing here.

Yes, you haven't acted on it. Though I don't know how you wear your hat.

Because how you wear your hat and your facial expression should be part of how other smug idiot decide your fate.

Do I need a sarcasm smilie? If this is a parody that I missed, well played. VERY well played.

[SalviaBlue]

164. I Disagree.

You are looking for retribution and vengeance. You are emotional. The death penalty brings us as a society down to the same level as the murderer.

[Thegonagle]

165. I don't support the death penalty.

It makes no logical sense.

Exactly how does killing a person who killed people show that killing people is wrong?

That's a question I've pondered since I was in elementary school. It made no sense in my 8 year old brain, and it makes no sense nearly thirty years later.

That's not to say he's not a worthless person. But if we want people to believe that killing is wrong, we shouldn't kill people.

[JVS]

166. "The smugness of his face and his hat worn backwards on those pictures."

I'm indifferent on the death penalty, but that's got to be one of the shittiest points I've ever seen used for advocating the death penalty. And your other points aren't much better.

[donheld]

169. No we should not.

[LostOne4Ever]

170. Killing people

Killing people to punish people for killing people is a bad way to teach people that killing people is wrong.

[MrMickeysMom]

171. Glad I'm not a criminal on trial and YOU are on the jury...

How awful your words are. Go away, troll.

[joeybee12]

175. I'm certainly willing to do that simply based on initial media reports...

[matt819]

176. This is boring

There have been reports that he has confessed. Whether these reports are true is another matter. Whatever the case, why don't we just let the criminal justice system and stop talking about foregone conclusions. It's idiotic and a waste of time. He confessed, or he didn't. He'll be convicted, or he won't.

As for the sentence, let's face it, you're either for the death penalty or you're against it. And whether you're a liberal in support of the death penalty or a conservative opposed, it's unlikely one is going to change the mind of the other. So the "debate" over the sentence is not really a debate; it's just a bunch of people yelling past each other.

[Bucky]

177. Good news! It worked; you won't be tied up with jury duty now.

Congratulations, Brooky.

[WinkyDink]

179. "Tsanaev should be put to death....I'm just mad as hell that the boy...." Nice juxtaposition, no?