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4th grade Science test - please tell me this is not real (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 OP
making our children stupid. where in our universe does this 'science' exist? spanone Apr 2013 #1
It's not in our universe, you see. MineralMan Apr 2013 #5
South Carolina Coyotl Apr 2013 #138
I hope it's not true. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #2
It's true. It's available on Amazon. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #7
I guess we a raising another generation of dumbass Tea Baggers Cleita Apr 2013 #8
a dinosaur holding the bible - maybe it's only a metaphor......? unlikely I know........ lunasun Apr 2013 #18
lol I thought that too "a dinosaur and a bible." like peanut butter and chocolate. nt TeamPooka Apr 2013 #159
Raptor Jesus died for your sins. EOTE Apr 2013 #162
and after reading that then the class can go to the Kentucky creation museum Botany Apr 2013 #19
they changed that first diorama--the first time I saw a pic of it, the female was wearing a frilly niyad Apr 2013 #34
Since A&E were free of sin.... penndragon69 Apr 2013 #91
Can't tell if it's Kenny Loggins or Dan Fogelberg, but that's definitely a '70s album cover! mikeytherat Apr 2013 #132
It's Bob Seger. progressoid Apr 2013 #135
Well if it's from the 70s it must be Afternoon Delight napkinz Apr 2013 #142
Noooooooooooo! progressoid Apr 2013 #143
He woke last night to the sound of thunder. "How far off?" he sat and wondered. mikeytherat Apr 2013 #145
That doesn't look like a child's printing to me. FreeBC Apr 2013 #29
I'm an elementary teacher. That could be a 4th grader's handwriting. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #40
I stand corrected FreeBC Apr 2013 #110
Absolutely LOVE this review from the Amazon link above: 1monster Apr 2013 #49
Ken Ham? Isn't he the founder of the creation museum? Snarkoleptic Apr 2013 #61
He trolls DU every once in a while. True story. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #117
Outside a real Creationist Paleontology Museum Coyotl Apr 2013 #140
There's apparently an entire industry of these biblical dinosaur books aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2013 #90
The Top Two Reviews are Funny!! pauliedangerously Apr 2013 #122
OMG that makes me so mad. Really, this should be illegal. cui bono Apr 2013 #130
Oh, it's true. In home schools all across the MineralMan Apr 2013 #11
Lots of progressive liberals are home schooling too October Apr 2013 #25
Yes. I'm aware of that. And testing of home-schooled kids would MineralMan Apr 2013 #26
Lots of Christian fundamentalists homeschool though. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #41
where I live too, and this is the crap they teach... mountain grammy Apr 2013 #52
They are a huge lobbying group here. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #56
That is what happens most of the time MattBaggins Apr 2013 #93
I say great, let them turn their kids into morons and imbeciles. It xtraxritical Apr 2013 #62
Yeah, but then we'll all have to support these morons who won't have developed a rational Flatulo Apr 2013 #70
I have family members who home school this very crap MattBaggins Apr 2013 #95
One of those morons and imbeciles might be POTUS one day--it's already happened.nt raccoon Apr 2013 #96
Yeah, who was that? xtraxritical Apr 2013 #106
Check out this thread: raccoon Apr 2013 #119
I get your drift but the Shrub was not home schooled. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #127
I'm afraid you're probably correct. October Apr 2013 #126
actually... keroro gunsou Apr 2013 #148
lol October Apr 2013 #150
My science text books in grammar school had the Piltdown man as Cleita Apr 2013 #73
While outdated information is a problem, it's not the same thing. MineralMan Apr 2013 #75
Anything however little would be an improvement over the situation today. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #77
If people deliberately taught their children skepticscott Apr 2013 #83
They're welcome to call me anything they choose. MineralMan Apr 2013 #86
Gosh, no wonder our education system is going to hell. Please tell me this is a southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #3
Future Republicans amuse bouche Apr 2013 #4
Wow number 7 is the only correct answer on the test MattBaggins Apr 2013 #6
"Name" and "Date" may have been correct jberryhill Apr 2013 #10
I think I found the source: woo me with science Apr 2013 #9
Very creepy video at the link....scary, bvar22 Apr 2013 #53
Check it out exboyfil Apr 2013 #12
And we're supposed to fear Muslims? Teamster Jeff Apr 2013 #13
Don't be ridiculous. SylviaD Apr 2013 #94
Someday they will. Mark my words MattBaggins Apr 2013 #97
No, but will harm us in more subtle ways MH1 Apr 2013 #124
Tell that to Robert Sanderson's survivors and to Emily Lyons n/t MountainLaurel Apr 2013 #125
They already have, they've bombed health clinics. And they've murdered doctors. cui bono Apr 2013 #133
Bookmarking this post. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #144
Where do abortion clinic bombers come from? Jackpine Radical Apr 2013 #155
O'rly? Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #163
Idiocracy is a documentary. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #14
+1 lunasun Apr 2013 #23
Employment test for Faux Snooze news readers. lpbk2713 Apr 2013 #15
Opportunity to kill some brain cells exboyfil Apr 2013 #16
It's too nice a Sunday morning for 45 minutes of that. n/t JHB Apr 2013 #22
Wow. I assume this is a minority of private school/home-schooled kids and doesn't represent LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #17
You need to come to the states and see something exboyfil Apr 2013 #21
This is what the majority of homeschooled kids are taught. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #79
They're creating their own universities jeff47 Apr 2013 #111
It's pretty standard "Christian school" fare jberryhill Apr 2013 #151
Yikes. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #153
Free Exercise of Religion jberryhill Apr 2013 #154
I was really hoping this was from the Onion niyad Apr 2013 #20
It freaks me out. We knew more than this in the fifties in Texas. The stupid is scaring me. freshwest Apr 2013 #128
a "science quiz" for people who think "the flintstones" was a documentary. niyad Apr 2013 #24
Church school at it's finest. peace13 Apr 2013 #27
My niece has a master's degree CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #36
+1 Keep going! Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #146
I went to Catholic elementary school. It wasn't like this at all. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #43
Catholics don't cling to a literal interpretation . . . caseymoz Apr 2013 #57
I got my degree from one of the top Jesuit schools on the East coast xtraxritical Apr 2013 #65
My dad taught at a Jesuit school for most of my childhood proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #71
Well yeah they were pretty liberal, we had a beer/wine hall on campus and xtraxritical Apr 2013 #109
Our 6th grade history taught the God rescued pscot Apr 2013 #72
Ministry of Truth, Double plus good W T F Apr 2013 #28
The future of this planet is in grave jeopardy. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #30
This is pretty common in private xtian schools, LWolf Apr 2013 #31
I've had quite a few homeschooled kids who returned to traditional school. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #46
Yes. LWolf Apr 2013 #50
Surprise, Surprise - The Fundies Have Won cantbeserious Apr 2013 #32
Nope. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #147
What Other Conclusion Can Be Drawn With The State Of Education As Displayed cantbeserious Apr 2013 #149
At least some of those kids are going to grow up and treestar Apr 2013 #33
Exactly, it's a great thing for Progressives. Be pleased that they diminish xtraxritical Apr 2013 #66
not public schools. looks to be the material provided for christian private. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #35
I would hope so. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #47
Religious helicopter parent propaganda & make your kid feel good with an A+ L0oniX Apr 2013 #37
Regents University needs future students too. Johonny Apr 2013 #38
This does not look like a real test at all gristy Apr 2013 #39
If you were a public school teacher, you would know better. mbperrin Apr 2013 #64
I wonder why the heading "4th grade science test" is on the paper gristy Apr 2013 #81
Again: these materials are not from nor for professional educators. These are made up for homeschool mbperrin Apr 2013 #108
There's nothing unusual about that heading proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #114
How sad. For teachers to be told they have to teach this without teaching facts. Koch funded school judesedit Apr 2013 #42
The "Dumbing Down of America" at its best judesedit Apr 2013 #44
It's both scary and sad. Shrike47 Apr 2013 #45
This is why Americans graduate from high school with a functional 4th grade education. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #48
In all fairness, proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #54
Is that perhaps flipping cause and effect? MattBaggins Apr 2013 #99
Nope. Public high school students in Texas need 26 credits to graduate. mbperrin Apr 2013 #67
At least here not all credits are equal exboyfil Apr 2013 #85
Godzilla died for our sins NoPasaran Apr 2013 #51
"Laugh? I thought I'd cry." SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2013 #78
Gotta be homeschooling materials. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #55
The worst part is "vouchers for private schools" paid for with public tax money mountain grammy Apr 2013 #58
That is really a very good argument for taxing these churches, thanks! xtraxritical Apr 2013 #68
Not a good enough hoax for fool most dems_rightnow Apr 2013 #59
Hoax? What would be the point in hoaxing something that happens thousands of times a day? enki23 Apr 2013 #82
yep gristy Apr 2013 #92
Thats NOT History, bvar22 Apr 2013 #60
That is fucking disgusting. nt MOTRDemocrat Apr 2013 #63
Is our children learning? Jamastiene Apr 2013 #69
Religion - Promoting Ignorance for Thousands of Years Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #74
Looks like Uhmerika will win the race to the bottom. City Lights Apr 2013 #76
Years ago - early 1950s - I had a science teacher who told us ahead of time that either answer would jwirr Apr 2013 #80
Must be Fundi curriculum mzmolly Apr 2013 #84
How old do they think Earth is? Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #87
I'm afraid to ask proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #88
They don't account for Silverfish being on Earth for billions of years Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #89
How did Noah get 10 million pairs of insect species into the Ark? aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2013 #98
The most prominent Creation Scientists have Scientific Debates on the precise Scientific number Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #118
I only want to know the "Seven Cs of History," ileus Apr 2013 #100
Hey, we still need ditch diggers and grease trap cleaners. HarveyDarkey Apr 2013 #101
Positively Criminal Brainwashing colsohlibgal Apr 2013 #102
Further Information... xocet Apr 2013 #103
"The next time someone says Jesus rose from the dead, what can you say?" Jim Lane Apr 2013 #129
Okay, #18 is proof that they are not interested in educating, just indoctrinating. cui bono Apr 2013 #134
I feel bad for that kid because he/she is going to be stupid. Apophis Apr 2013 #104
Don't worry, the fundies are creating their own colleges and universities. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #112
Touché. Apophis Apr 2013 #113
The Tea Party's new slogan: "KEEPING IT STUPID 2013!" Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #105
Wow OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #107
I saw that, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #115
Is that in Kansas? Texas or Oklahoma? AlinPA Apr 2013 #116
Link says SC proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #120
Thanks. AlinPA Apr 2013 #121
I wonder if it was a private or public school sakabatou Apr 2013 #136
T.K.O. has a new meaning... KansDem Apr 2013 #157
+1 proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #160
Oh, if only Bill Maher had been aware of this napkinz Apr 2013 #123
i've actually seen a test very similar to that one laying about in an after-school program run HiPointDem Apr 2013 #131
Take your children to the Bush Library! napkinz Apr 2013 #161
Faith in a BIG LIE requires a lot of secondary lies to maintain the BIGGIE Coyotl Apr 2013 #137
+1 woo me with science Apr 2013 #141
Book Review Contest Coyotl Apr 2013 #139
We are a doomed society Rider3 Apr 2013 #152
visualize the future! wet.hen88 Apr 2013 #156
This is the real deal - here is a clip of the video that goes with it oberliner Apr 2013 #158
Dinosaurs and the Bible - this is Genesis Week, Episode 13 napkinz Apr 2013 #164
kick napkinz Apr 2013 #165

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
5. It's not in our universe, you see.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:49 AM
Apr 2013

It's in Heaven. We spoiled everything by being born in sin, and will never see Heaven unless we believe shit like this. At least that's what the morons who are teaching this extreme young Earth creationism to children are promoting.

This is why I support mandatory basic knowledge testing of all students, whether educated in public, private, or home schools. The ignorance and false information being taught to some of our children is beyond unconscionable.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
138. South Carolina
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:57 AM
Apr 2013
http://imgur.com/a/pPJmj#0

I searched the file name and found the link above. This thing has gone viral, but there is not much consensus on veracity.

http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1crzuz/actual_4th_grade_science_test_from_a_school_in_sc/c9jpve4?context=3

http://everyotherdomainwastaken.wordpress.com/tag/quiz/

?w=630

Anyway, I cannot verify that it is real, but one person on the web claims it is.

Botany

(70,449 posts)
19. and after reading that then the class can go to the Kentucky creation museum
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:05 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:05 PM - Edit history (1)



that shows when dinos played w/ people



and Adam and Eve were white people and used not only shampoo but conditioner and cream rinse too



edit botany = wight people




niyad

(113,095 posts)
34. they changed that first diorama--the first time I saw a pic of it, the female was wearing a frilly
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:29 AM
Apr 2013

white blouse, and the dino had a saddle.

 

penndragon69

(788 posts)
91. Since A&E were free of sin....
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:32 PM
Apr 2013

That means they were free of filth and head lice, until that little
Bitch forced Adam to eat of the apple.

(this proves that apple computers are a work of the DEVIL !)

mikeytherat

(6,829 posts)
132. Can't tell if it's Kenny Loggins or Dan Fogelberg, but that's definitely a '70s album cover!
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:04 AM
Apr 2013

mikey_the_rat

 

FreeBC

(403 posts)
29. That doesn't look like a child's printing to me.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

Where's the proof that test is in that book?

I think it's a fake.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
49. Absolutely LOVE this review from the Amazon link above:
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:51 AM
Apr 2013

6 of 6 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Wow...brainwashing has never been so fun! April 21, 2013
By Ramsey

When we were looking for a way to lie out right to our children and keep them in the dark about the actual workings of life on Earth, this was the perfect video for us. With fun characters and great music, we were able to indoctrinate our children into a way of thinking that should have gone away in the bronze age. If you want your kids to believe in fairy tales and hocus pocus with no factual basis whatsoever, this is the best place to start!

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
61. Ken Ham? Isn't he the founder of the creation museum?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:20 PM
Apr 2013

Charlie Pierce does a nice job dissecting this BS in "Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free"

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
140. Outside a real Creationist Paleontology Museum
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013


Along a highway in South Dakota. The artist was having some fun with the owners, putting a cowboy on the dinosaur.

pauliedangerously

(886 posts)
122. The Top Two Reviews are Funny!!
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:01 PM
Apr 2013

Final statement of the first one:

"So, if your fondest wish is to risk ruining your child's life, by all means expose them to this mindless twaddle."

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
130. OMG that makes me so mad. Really, this should be illegal.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 05:26 AM
Apr 2013

Free speech... yeah, I know... but my gawd.

One reviewer said he believes that dinosaurs were created during creation... and maybe the dragons in the medieval times were actually dinos?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
11. Oh, it's true. In home schools all across the
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:57 AM
Apr 2013

country, this is what passes for a textbook on science. This is what many children are learning as if it were true. This is why home-schooling needs some regulation and testing of students who are being home-schooled.

Teaching children the crap that is represented by this quiz should be a criminal offense, in my opinion. It is planting a seed that will destroy this nation.

October

(3,363 posts)
25. Lots of progressive liberals are home schooling too
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:13 AM
Apr 2013

And we don't teach such lessons. My 16-year-old son just did a college-level course on black holes.

Our curriculum is approved yearly by our local district, and they review his work every spring. In addition, he is evaluated by a certified teacher.

Pennsylvania law.

I might add that they are always impressed by the diversity of his education.

He is home schooled because he is an aspiring dancer who travels to NYC every day to train.

We're not all nut jobs.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
26. Yes. I'm aware of that. And testing of home-schooled kids would
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:17 AM
Apr 2013

demonstrate your care in teaching true stuff to your children, as it would for all home-schoolers who are teaching actual factual information. It would also identify the children who are being fed garbage like this creationism nonsense.

I have nothing whatever against the concept of home-schooling. What I'm opposed to is home-nonschooling. Children need to learn actual facts, not religious mythology. It's essential.

Your situation is certainly not what I'm talking about, and I'm sure you know that.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
41. Lots of Christian fundamentalists homeschool though.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:40 AM
Apr 2013

I suspect they outnumber the progressives. I know they do here where I live.

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
52. where I live too, and this is the crap they teach...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:04 PM
Apr 2013

the kids are prepared to be nothing but preachers or leaders of white supremist militias.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
56. They are a huge lobbying group here.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:09 PM
Apr 2013

So we have very weak regulations for homeschooling and they are rarely enforced.

It's really tragic. Many of these kids eventually end up back in traditional schools and they are woefully behind their peers. At least, that's been my experience.

MattBaggins

(7,897 posts)
93. That is what happens most of the time
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:39 PM
Apr 2013

We are sold the BS stories of the .0000000001% of home school kids who have wealthy parents and make it to the national spelling bee.

When I was young all the home school kids were the ones kicked out of every school in the county. Not bad kids, but horrible parents.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
62. I say great, let them turn their kids into morons and imbeciles. It
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
Apr 2013

will be so much easier for progressive's to seize the reins of power. It's a very good thing. Let them shoot themselves in the foot.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
70. Yeah, but then we'll all have to support these morons who won't have developed a rational
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:37 PM
Apr 2013

thought process.

Propagating ignorance helps no one.

MattBaggins

(7,897 posts)
95. I have family members who home school this very crap
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:43 PM
Apr 2013

They then complain when they can't get hired anywhere decent.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
127. I get your drift but the Shrub was not home schooled.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:14 PM
Apr 2013

It's hard to pick names that's the best I could do on short notice.

October

(3,363 posts)
126. I'm afraid you're probably correct.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:09 PM
Apr 2013

I know we're not the majority, but we are out here. Most of us, though, seem (!) to have kids involved in different activities that don't fit in with the traditional school hours.

keroro gunsou

(2,223 posts)
148. actually...
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:04 AM
Apr 2013

you're the worst kind of nut job... a smart, sane one.

yes, i am complimenting you, the visual medium does not do wonders for a facetious tone of voice

October

(3,363 posts)
150. lol
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:35 PM
Apr 2013

Thanks, I appreciate the support.

And, that "little red devil" is perfect for the facetious tone!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
73. My science text books in grammar school had the Piltdown man as
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:49 PM
Apr 2013

scientific fact even though by then it had been proven to be a hoax. Of course, this was right after WWII so the text books were really old. Our teachers though never said it was a hoax and never told us to ignore it. I was in high school before I learned that it wasn't true.

I agree, we need some laws covering this. Teaching kids bogus science will interfere with their futures, if they want to become scientists or even medical doctors. There really needs to be a crack down on this BS. I don't think home schooling should be allowed either unless a parent is a certified teacher or there is a governess hired who is a certified teacher.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
75. While outdated information is a problem, it's not the same thing.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:53 PM
Apr 2013

All that is needed is a simple test on what kids know, given sometime in the elementary school age group. If it show that the child is learning patently false information, like the garbage in that test, then the child should be sent to public school and more home-schooling would not be allowed for that child in that situation.

That's all that is needed, but it is needed badly.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
83. If people deliberately taught their children
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:18 PM
Apr 2013

blatant falsehoods on any other subject (like drilling them over and over that 3 x 9= 39, or that the world is hollow and aliens are living inside) you'd be justified in calling that child abuse. But when it's religion, calling that child abuse gets you branded a bigot by the brain-dead apologists.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
86. They're welcome to call me anything they choose.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:20 PM
Apr 2013

I'll respond in kind. Such people are complete morons, and are failing to teach their children well or correctly. If it were left up to me, I'd make their children wards of the state and see that they got some semblance of a decent education.

I don't care what someone's religion is or how they worship whatever it is they worship. I do care about their children, though.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
53. Very creepy video at the link....scary,
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:06 PM
Apr 2013

complete with the banjo music from Deliverance,
and Pavlovian conditioning for the "lessons".

SylviaD

(721 posts)
94. Don't be ridiculous.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:41 PM
Apr 2013

I feel pity for the children learning this "science", and I feel shame for their parents. But they aren't going to bomb anyone like the extreme Islamist fundies.

MH1

(17,573 posts)
124. No, but will harm us in more subtle ways
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:30 PM
Apr 2013

Like climate change denial, spreading their ignorance, and preventing women from exercising control over their own reproduction.

Not as dramatic as violent terrorism, but still will cause a lot of suffering.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
133. They already have, they've bombed health clinics. And they've murdered doctors.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:05 AM
Apr 2013

Of course they are dangerous.

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
17. Wow. I assume this is a minority of private school/home-schooled kids and doesn't represent
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:03 AM
Apr 2013

American education in general; but still it's SCARY.

And how will the children brought up like that be able to get into university, get jobs, and generally survive in the modern world?

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
21. You need to come to the states and see something
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

that could only be duplicated in a fundamentalist Muslim community - the Creation Museum located in the middle of the Bible Belt.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
79. This is what the majority of homeschooled kids are taught.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:59 PM
Apr 2013

Where do you think we get all our batshit crazy elected representatives from?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
111. They're creating their own universities
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:31 PM
Apr 2013

such as "Bob Jones University".

As for jobs, basic science and history aren't required for most jobs.

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
153. Yikes.
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:44 PM
Apr 2013

Not the case in the UK: even church schools have to teach the 'national curriculum' in science, which means that you are NOT marked correct if you say that people and dinosaurs lived at the same time!

Though now that we have all the promotion of academies and free schools (British versions of charter schools), I fear that a little of this nonsense may slip through thenet.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
154. Free Exercise of Religion
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:47 PM
Apr 2013

If your religion teaches 1 + 1 =5 and that's how you educate your children, the US government has no business interfering in the free exercise of your religious beliefs.

niyad

(113,095 posts)
24. a "science quiz" for people who think "the flintstones" was a documentary.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:10 AM
Apr 2013

but even the flintstones got a few things right. in one scene, they are at the grand canyon, which is this small little creek. fred looks at it and says something like, "well, it isn't much now, but it'll be a big thing one day."

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
27. Church school at it's finest.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:23 AM
Apr 2013

My niece went to a church school and her spelling words were all Bible related. I wondered if she would ever learn a useful word.

CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
36. My niece has a master's degree
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

She is supposedly a teacher and decided she did not like this job after HER PARENTS paid god only knows how many $$$ to send her to college.

I got a note from her recently and yes, it was illiterate as hell. Impressed? NOT!

I did not have such convenience in my life. I was told by my parents, "We don't have money for that "college crap"." So, I did it on my own with no help, working full-time and going to school at night and on the weekends. I am a published writer btw and yep, I did it all by myself.




proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
43. I went to Catholic elementary school. It wasn't like this at all.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:42 AM
Apr 2013

We learned real Science and hardly ever talked about the bible.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
57. Catholics don't cling to a literal interpretation . . .
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:10 PM
Apr 2013

. . . of the Bible. There are Catholic fundamentalists, but it means something different than insisting the Bible is literal.
 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
65. I got my degree from one of the top Jesuit schools on the East coast
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:26 PM
Apr 2013

and, believe me, it was rigorous and no bs.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
109. Well yeah they were pretty liberal, we had a beer/wine hall on campus and
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:35 PM
Apr 2013

often they would have big parties on the quad with trucks with beer taps on them. I went back in 2011 and all that had changed! The course load I took was way serious and all my profs. were Phds at the junior/senior level. I know they still run the best schools in the country, I went back to check!
BTW, it was The Catholic University of America (CUA).

pscot

(21,024 posts)
72. Our 6th grade history taught the God rescued
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:44 PM
Apr 2013

Meshak, Ishak and Abednigo from the fiery furnace and sealed the lions mouth to save Daniel: the Babylonian Captivity. The nuns professed to believe it, but I knew better at age 11.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
31. This is pretty common in private xtian schools,
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:26 AM
Apr 2013

and has been for at least a generation.

I did an undergraduate project some decades ago that involved visiting local private schools, viewing curriculum, and comparing/contrasting with local public school curriculum. I saw a lot of this kind of thing.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
46. I've had quite a few homeschooled kids who returned to traditional school.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:46 AM
Apr 2013

I had one several years ago whose mom shared his work with me. She wanted me to see what he had been doing at home. It was all workbooks filled with busywork. 100 Math problems per page in his Math workbook, 50 Spelling words every week, Reading comprehension exercises involving bible verses that were written in some ancient English language (reminded me of Chaucer). It was pretty bizarre.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
50. Yes.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:52 AM
Apr 2013

They buy this stuff from private christian publishers, convinced that it offers an adequate education.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. At least some of those kids are going to grow up and
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:29 AM
Apr 2013

go out in the world, find out the truth and be pretty pissed about having been taught such drivel.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
66. Exactly, it's a great thing for Progressives. Be pleased that they diminish
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
Apr 2013

themselves like this, encourage it.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
37. Religious helicopter parent propaganda & make your kid feel good with an A+
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:34 AM
Apr 2013

A moran would not past this test because even they know better.

Johonny

(20,820 posts)
38. Regents University needs future students too.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:34 AM
Apr 2013

How are we ever going to fill our future DA office under Jeb Bush without such scholars?

gristy

(10,667 posts)
39. This does not look like a real test at all
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

It looks much more like something someone put together to post on the internets to try to make a point (exactly what the point is, I'm not sure) and to get people riled up (a wild success, apparently).

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
64. If you were a public school teacher, you would know better.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:25 PM
Apr 2013

Here's a page from inside another dinosaurs in Eden "textbook"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/customer-gallery/A7W339XNKTQ6B

Happens all the time in our area - parents "homeschool" their kids until the kids get bigger and more demanding of time and trouble, then they are dumped back into public school about junior high time. There are no regulations whatsoever about homeschooling in Texas - you sign a paper that says your child is not a dropout, but is being homeschooled, and that's it.

I had one parent in high school years ago who pulled his daughter back out after I did not agree to teach the Holocaust as a hoax.

Just Google around Amazon for a while on Christian homeschooling, and you'll lose that smug attitude you're radiating this morning.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
81. I wonder why the heading "4th grade science test" is on the paper
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:08 PM
Apr 2013

Certainly this is not the only test in the fourth grade, and so the heading is quite odd.
I see there is both a numeric and a letter grade on the test. That seems unusual and redundant.

And do have a nice day! If I appear so smug to you that you must jab me with your opinion to make yourself feel good, I'll take that as a small consolation to your insult.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
108. Again: these materials are not from nor for professional educators. These are made up for homeschool
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:22 PM
Apr 2013

people who want to believe that the earth is 6,000 years old.

I'm not trying to insult you at all. Obviously, you have not met any of these folks, and as a public school teacher in charge of picking up the pieces when they tire of their project, I've seen literally hundreds. These dangerous folks are no myth, nor are they unimportant or uninfluential.

But do feel free to ignore me and others who actually deal with this and just continue to think it's a satire. Did you at least look at Amazon where these things are sold?

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
42. How sad. For teachers to be told they have to teach this without teaching facts. Koch funded school
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:41 AM
Apr 2013

Looks more like 2nd grade work than 4th to me. In Europe the kids in 4th are already learning algebra. Check out "the Dumbing Down of America" on your browser. Click on any or many of the links that are provided. Get educated so you know what's going on in this country.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
48. This is why Americans graduate from high school with a functional 4th grade education.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:48 AM
Apr 2013

THE STUPID! IT BURNS!!!

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
54. In all fairness,
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:07 PM
Apr 2013

most newspapers and other material regularly read by adults are written at about a 5th grade reading level. So you can get by with a 4th grade level of mastery.

That of course doesn't begin to excuse lying to our kids in Science class.

MattBaggins

(7,897 posts)
99. Is that perhaps flipping cause and effect?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:53 PM
Apr 2013

News and magazine periodicals write at a 5th grade level, because that is the reading level of average Americans.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
67. Nope. Public high school students in Texas need 26 credits to graduate.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
Apr 2013

Including physics, senior English, Algebra 2, and 2 years of foreign language. NOT ONE of which was required with the 17 credits I graduated with in 1971 right here in the great state of Texas.

There is a large group being held hostage by their parents with no accountability whatsoever, and that is tragic.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
85. At least here not all credits are equal
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:20 PM
Apr 2013

My daughter took an APEX Economics class on her own to clear up her schedule next year. It was not a very well presented course, but she did have to do some studying to take the proctored tests (online and written). Overall I feel she got a pretty good understanding of Economics. She reports that several of her classmates are now taking the same class for repeat credit (they did not pass the High School version of the course). They only have to take the online version (not the written portion), and they are allowed to refer to their notes (basically summary sheets with all the concepts as fill in the blanks).

The Honors courses and AP courses at her High School are very rigorous (actually harder than her community college courses). They do not have weighted GPAs so the really good students are somewhat penalized (that is ok since the really top students take AP and Honors and get As anyway). We are a little concerned that she might get less than an A in one of her college classes which will throw her out of the top 5% (she already has one A-). If that happens then she becomes ineligible for partial state college scholarship even though she will graduate with at least 50 hours of college credit - most of it applicable to an engineering degree.

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
58. The worst part is "vouchers for private schools" paid for with public tax money
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:14 PM
Apr 2013

private tax money going to Christian schools teaching this bullshit..
When I grew up there were public schools or Catholic schools or rich kid private schools. I interacted with kids and teachers from public and Catholic.. Catholic schools had their share of religion, but when it came to teaching science, math, history, English, they used the same textbooks we did. Guess they weren't "real Christians."

enki23

(7,786 posts)
82. Hoax? What would be the point in hoaxing something that happens thousands of times a day?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:15 PM
Apr 2013

I call hoax on that weather report! Few people would be so gullible as to believe it rained in April!

gristy

(10,667 posts)
92. yep
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:39 PM
Apr 2013

We do have a problem with creationism being taught in the name of science, but I doubt this is a legitimate example of this.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
60. Thats NOT History,
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:16 PM
Apr 2013

[font size=3]Its The FLINTSTONES!





A complete work of Cartoon Fiction,
just like THIS one!

[/font]

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
69. Is our children learning?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:35 PM
Apr 2013

B*sh once asked with the question phrased very similar to my subject line.

Some are learning THAT, apparently. smh

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
80. Years ago - early 1950s - I had a science teacher who told us ahead of time that either answer would
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:00 PM
Apr 2013

be accepted as correct. That was long before the church decided it was in possession of a text book instead of a religious book.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
118. The most prominent Creation Scientists have Scientific Debates on the precise Scientific number
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:52 PM
Apr 2013

it's either 5,000 years or 6,004.

Science!

ileus

(15,396 posts)
100. I only want to know the "Seven Cs of History,"
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:53 PM
Apr 2013

I bet I've been missing something all my life....that one connection that would tie everything together.


colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
102. Positively Criminal Brainwashing
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

The zealots pushing this are quite mad, pushing the nonsense that there is no proof of evolution and that carbon dating is somehow wrong.

Only in America, at least on any kind of scale.

Religious fanatics have caused so much harm through the ages, burning women at the stake, etc, and now this.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
103. Further Information...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:16 PM
Apr 2013

The image was seemingly posted originally on reddit by user puskunk. Here is some of the related discussion:

Actual 4th grade science test from a school in SC by puskunk in atheism

1 point 7 minutes ago
I don't want the kid to get in trouble, so I am keeping that under my hat until June when school is over.

1 point 10 minutes ago
The friend was livid, he doesn't believe this shit either.

1 point 48 minutes ago
You mean the War Between the States?

1 point 1 hour ago
Yeah, it's private. I went to SC public school also and got a decent education.

2 points 1 hour ago
No.

1 point 1 hour ago
Yes, I know what school, but I am not publicizing it since it is a small school and I don't want any publicity that might reflect badly on the kid. I took the picture on my iPhone.

http://www.reddit.com/user/puskunk


There is a second image at imgur that shows an additional question that has been answered:


 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
129. "The next time someone says Jesus rose from the dead, what can you say?"
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:46 AM
Apr 2013

The fundies might want to rethink a test entry that encourages even a whiff of critical thinking. Who knows where that might lead.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
134. Okay, #18 is proof that they are not interested in educating, just indoctrinating.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:14 AM
Apr 2013

Makes me furious. This cannot continue.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
104. I feel bad for that kid because he/she is going to be stupid.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:19 PM
Apr 2013

He/she is going to get laughed at in college, if he/she can even get in.

This is criminal.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
105. The Tea Party's new slogan: "KEEPING IT STUPID 2013!"
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:35 PM
Apr 2013

Test results like these are exactly what Perry and other 'Bagger govs want in their states.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
107. Wow
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:57 PM
Apr 2013

I don't remember learning that in elementary school or bible school lol. In my day we were left with trying to figure out the discrepancy. So eventually I had to ask my father "if God created the earth in 7 days, how were dinosaurs here millions of years before man?". While my parents believe in a higher power, they never attend church and rarely discuss religion. I was taken to bible class by grandparents. However my father's explanation was far more reasonable than what I'm seeing being taught today.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
157. T.K.O. has a new meaning...
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:50 PM
Apr 2013

Before it was "Technical Knock Out," and used to denote the end of a boxing match.

Now we have "Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma," to denote when the match is over.

Q: Hey, what happened to Social Security?"
A: T.K.Oed

Q: What happened to women's control over their own bodies?
A: T.K.Oed

Q: Oh, no! What happened to workers' rights?
A: T.K.Oed

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
123. Oh, if only Bill Maher had been aware of this
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:15 PM
Apr 2013

when he made "Religulous"

(I'd love to see his take on this!)



 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
131. i've actually seen a test very similar to that one laying about in an after-school program run
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 05:50 AM
Apr 2013

by a local church. homeschoolers.

you can thank the education deformers.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
137. Faith in a BIG LIE requires a lot of secondary lies to maintain the BIGGIE
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:38 AM
Apr 2013

Of course, the weirder the lies, the likelier that the poorly educated youth will reject the Big Lie when coming of age in the secular world.

wet.hen88

(64 posts)
156. visualize the future!
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:47 PM
Apr 2013

What will this sort of teaching bring down on us in the future? Will we be in the same mess Middle Easterners, with education, are subjected to from the Islamic fundamentalists? If children are educated? this way, what will be our future? We're going BACKWARDS!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
158. This is the real deal - here is a clip of the video that goes with it
Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:11 PM
Apr 2013


It's from this DVD series:

http://www.amazon.com/Dinosaurs-Genesis-Gospel-Ken-Ham/dp/B000EGZ4XS/ref=cm_cmu_pg_t

In the Youtube clip, several of the questions are specifically addressed in the video.

Don't know if this was assigned in a school - but it is a real quiz from a real source.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
164. Dinosaurs and the Bible - this is Genesis Week, Episode 13
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:33 PM
Apr 2013






edit:

So who is Ian Juby?

"Ian Juby is the founder of Canada’s first Creation Museum, the traveling Creation Science Museum of Canada. He is also the founder and president of the International Creation Science SIG for members of Mensa International, and a member of Mensa himself. In 2007 he took on the presidency of Citizens for Origins Research and Education, in Ottawa, Ontario."

http://creationsciencehalloffame.org/living/ian-juby/


Mensa & Creationism ... something ain't kosher.




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