Shame on those near celebrating that the Boston attacks were by supposed "Islamic" terrorists...

[ellisonz]

...and not of our own violent right-wing terror groups are ignorant, pathetic fools and who should go back to their regularly scheduled doses of xenophobia and anti-Muslim bigotry from right-wing media.

Good people of conscience know that the coming weeks and months are likely to see an uptick of anti-Muslim paranoia and hate crimes, they do not care who committed such despicable acts of violence, they denounce all groups that threaten violence and act on those threats.

That this celebration seems to be connected to in short to the fact that such groups are legally heavily armed by those merchants of death, the American small-arms industry and that this supposedly absolves them of any responsibility would do well to wait and see where these assholes bought their guns.

To those who have suffered, that these acts of terror were committed by "radical Islamists" and not our own radical right-wing groups is not important to those who have lost loved ones.

[snagglepuss]

1. Whose celebrating? After the bombing most here were hoping it was the rabid right.

[ellisonz]

2. You wouldn't need to look far...

...as to the rest of your post, I think you can find many posts of people (myself included) speculating that it could be the work of "the rabid right" but no one "hoping" that was the case and if they were it was most likely because they feared the sort of hateful backlash we're already seeing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022724201

[rightsideout]

3. I wonder if there was an uptick in violence against white people

When Adam Lanza wiped out 26 people

When Timothy McVeigh killed several hundred

When Ted Kazinski(sp?) mailed out bombs.

When that KC guy mailed Ricin to the president and a republican senator.

When the Giffords shooter killed several people

When "what's his face" with the orange hair shot up the movie theater.

Plus the collective amounts of armed white folks coming unhinged everyday shooting someone or a couple people or themselves. White folks have the highest suicide rate and they often do themselves in with guns.

I think we're looking at the wrong ethnicity as far as crazed lunatics.

[spin]

4. Some did jump to the conclusion that it was members of a right wing terror group. ...

It could have been. My point is that it is unwise to jump to conclusions as it often leads to making you look like a fool.

It is also foolish to assume that all Muslims or all gun owners are extremely dangerous.

[riderinthestorm]

5. I don't see anyone celebrating. Victims' families may be very desirous of knowing whose responsible!

You can't speak for them.

If it were one of my family members, I'd definitely want to know who and why. For me, it would be hugely important.

[ellisonz]

8. That's not what I wrote.

I think of course they want to know who did it, but I'd also imagine that most of their reactions weren't OMG those durn Muslims again thank God it wasn't right-wing militia types.

[riderinthestorm]

11. I'm sorry but your last comment seemed to imply they won't want to know (shouldn't want to know?)

"To those who have suffered, that these acts of terror were committed by "radical Islamists" and not our own radical right-wing groups is not important to those who have lost loved ones."

It would be important to me. Really important.

Sorry if I misinterpreted.

[ellisonz]

14. Yeah that's misinterpreted.

I think they want resolution, I don't think they want other people's political motives advanced by their loss. Why would they want to be pawns in the standard right-wing anti-Muslim demagoguery?

[riderinthestorm]

16. I'm sorry but you don't get to decide for them.

Why do you think it has to be some kind of hard choice for them between "standard right-wing anti-Muslim demagoguery" or the knowledge these two were Muslims who appear to have been influenced by some pretty radical Islamist shit?

They can take that third way which is to recognize that the perps are who they are - radicalized Islamists with a dangerous agenda that has nothing to do with most Muslims.

Why do you think their only option is to be "pawns"?

I think I'm going to let them own their own feelings and emotions for now. If it were me I'd be furious at who did this. Righteous anger at why. In these first few weeks, I will allow that. The long term will tell but I have faith they won't be drawn into the Pamela Geller crazy anti-Muslim shit. Maybe one or two will, but I believe - strongly believe - most will not.

Regardless at this point - you don't get to decide for them.

[ellisonz]

21. I'm not trying to "decide" for them

I'm simply saying that being relieved that this was done by what you call "radicalized Islamists with a dangerous agenda that has nothing to do with most Muslims" and not by right-wing militia types is fucking shameful. Moreover, considering the tone of some the ongoing reaction of the last decade in this country to the Muslim world, we should hesitate the extent to which many on the right froth at the mouth at the sound of "Islamists" with bigotry.

The long term will tell but I have faith they won't be drawn into the Pamela Geller crazy anti-Muslim shit. Maybe one or two will, but I believe - strongly believe - most will not.

Well the one or two are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong - I'm just going to make that clear.

[Quantess]

6. How about the thread cheering and gloating they were "white russian boys"?

That was real classy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022708681

[quinnox]

7. It is looking like they were either inspired or directed by Al Queda

I think its important to recognize the facts, whatever they turn out to be.

[DainBramaged]

9. Facts

You have no clue.

[quinnox]

12. The older brother posted Islamic terrorist videos

on his personal website, and had become a radical and religious fundamental extremist. This is known already and mentioned in several news stories. I'm simply adding two and two together, and saying it is looking like either Al Queda inspired them, or actively used them, to do this attack. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[DainBramaged]

15. Due process

Thanks for playing.....

[Honeycombe8]

17. But, Dain...it's on the older one's (& I think younger one's) internet social sites...they

say they are muslim/Islamists. Facts. They used IEDs. They come from a country where muslims use IEDs as a terrorist tactic, and their father stayed there. Their mother returned there. The older one visited there not toooo long ago.

Facts are what they are. Those are cold, hard facts. Is it possible they're not muslim and just said that? Yes, it's possible. But note that I stated THEY have said they are muslim.

[riderinthestorm]

19. Actually BOTH brothers returned last year.

Zaur Tsarnaev said he most recently expressed his concerns about Tamerlan -- the alleged bomber pictured in a dark hat in FBI videos released Thursday -- to Dzhokhar when Dzhokar visited last summer. He added that Dzhokhar went to mosque sometimes but he was “never an extremist.”

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/19/bombing-suspects-were-local-normal-immigrants/AGztkXv4Y9b6sfAsVzcDQO/story.html

[dkf]

18. When another country warns you you should be looking at a person with extremist ties, that should be

A glaring red flag, not to mention being a clue.

[DainBramaged]

20. Really?

A red flag, like a Russian red flag?


They have blue and red in them too....

[Honeycombe8]

10. +1. I like facts, too. Even when I don't LIKE the facts, I like to recognize them.nt

[riderinthestorm]

13. I don't think anyone's happy knowing it was Muslims. They're already targets and I hate that.

But discounting the facts isn't productive either.

[FarCenter]

22. It's a relief that it's an enemy we're aware of, and not some new kind of threat.