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Why are they preventing the media and the residents of that West Texas town (Original Post) malaise Apr 2013 OP
They are disappointed with the level of conspiracy theories. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #1
LOL dems_rightnow Apr 2013 #11
Why did they even have that much ammonium nitrate in the first place? Since the state knew appleannie1 Apr 2013 #2
That's prime farming country, lots of cotton grown there. About a season's worth of fertilizer. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #4
It's worse than that-Texas plant had 1,350 times amount of chemical that would trigger oversight malaise Apr 2013 #8
they are doing a massive search through damaged homes dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #3
Holyshit. Rex Apr 2013 #10
They violated some pretty critical regulations in the operation of the facility. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #20
Yes I read about how the VFD didn't know Rex Apr 2013 #24
I agree Marrah_G Apr 2013 #12
"having media hordes around will really interfer with that" = bullshit. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #25
Maybe they want to make sure it's safe? proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #5
Well if it's still dangerous shouldn't they tell people malaise Apr 2013 #13
I will say this, general statement on rural areas, see it way too often nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #15
Oddly enough, a Google image search for West, TX Explosion MineralMan Apr 2013 #6
The fire is not fully put out nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #7
My guess is that the scene is horrible and dangerous Rex Apr 2013 #9
OK Rex malaise Apr 2013 #14
Or Rex Apr 2013 #16
I could not believe how close it was to the school and malaise Apr 2013 #17
It is a freakin outrage. Rex Apr 2013 #18
Perry is lucky Obama doesn't think like him malaise Apr 2013 #19
They did NOT build it so close to people dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #21
Okay, still no one should build that close to a potential bomb. Rex Apr 2013 #22
so poor zoning laws to protect people Justice Apr 2013 #23
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. They are disappointed with the level of conspiracy theories.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:30 PM
Apr 2013

They are giving us more time to develop better tin-foil-hat worthy fantasies.

appleannie1

(5,062 posts)
2. Why did they even have that much ammonium nitrate in the first place? Since the state knew
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:48 PM
Apr 2013

they had more than they should have, why didn't the state report it to the Dept. of Homeland Security as required by law? Why were they allowed to have a fertilizer plant next to 2 schools? There are a lot more questions than answers.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
8. It's worse than that-Texas plant had 1,350 times amount of chemical that would trigger oversight
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:55 PM
Apr 2013
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17838304-red-flag-texas-plant-had-1350-times-amount-of-chemical-that-would-trigger-oversight?lite
<snip>
The fertilizer plant that exploded on Wednesday, obliterating part of a small Texas town and killing at least 14 people, had last year been storing 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Yet a person familiar with DHS operations said the company that owns the plant, West Fertilizer, did not tell the agency about the potentially explosive fertilizer as it is required to do, leaving one of the principal regulators of ammonium nitrate - which can also be used in bomb making - unaware of any danger there.

Fertilizer plants and depots must report to the DHS when they hold 400 pounds or more of the substance. Filings this year with the Texas Department of State Health Services, which weren't shared with DHS, show the plant had 270 tons of it on hand last year.

A U.S. congressman and several safety experts called into question on Friday whether incomplete disclosure or regulatory gridlock may have contributed to the disaster.

"It seems this manufacturer was willfully off the grid," Rep. Bennie Thompson, (D-MS), ranking member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, said in a statement. "This facility was known to have chemicals well above the threshold amount to be regulated under the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Act (CFATS), yet we understand that DHS did not even know the plant existed until it blew up."

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This terrorist should be arrested

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. they are doing a massive search through damaged homes
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:49 PM
Apr 2013

and having media hordes around will really interfer with that.
Last night on the Boston police scanner, it was clear that media people were getting in the way of approaching the bomber, and in way of possible cross fire, not to mention any possible bombs.

Here is what the Texas town looks like in daylight..obviously some media was able to shoot the pic:

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. Holyshit.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:58 PM
Apr 2013

This is the first time I've seen a picture of the site. I can't believe they would build something like that so close to a school and homes!

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
20. They violated some pretty critical regulations in the operation of the facility.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:22 PM
Apr 2013

Storing large quantities of ammonium nitrate is tightly controlled, but it is self reported. This bastard did not report.

If he had simply reported the storage of the ammonium nitrate, the fire department would have handled their response differently, and the surrounding areas would have been evacuated.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Yes I read about how the VFD didn't know
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

about the ammonium nitrate...now I see why. The owner has a LOT to answer for! That goes beyond criminal negligence imo.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
5. Maybe they want to make sure it's safe?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:51 PM
Apr 2013

Doesn't really alarm me.

There was a restaurant here that exploded back in February. Gas leak. Last I heard, they still weren't letting anyone in to check out the rubble.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
13. Well if it's still dangerous shouldn't they tell people
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:59 PM
Apr 2013

The report I heard people said people were frustrated because they weren't receiving information

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
15. I will say this, general statement on rural areas, see it way too often
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:03 PM
Apr 2013

Even if you tell them, and I am betting on public information officers by the bucketful...it's government. People tend to dismiss both gub'mint (PIO) and media reports.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
6. Oddly enough, a Google image search for West, TX Explosion
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:52 PM
Apr 2013

turns up many, many images taken by the media. Go have a look. It appears that the media has been viewing the devastation and photographing it, so I'm not sure your statement is accurate.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. The fire is not fully put out
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:53 PM
Apr 2013

Still smoldering.

Until hazmat declares it safe there is still a smallish risk of explosion.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. My guess is that the scene is horrible and dangerous
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:55 PM
Apr 2013

at the same time. And could cause further damage. My speculation, I really don't see any reason they would keep the media and residents away from the scene unless it is still dangerous.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. Or
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:05 PM
Apr 2013

I just saw a picture of the site for the very first time and I cannot believe they built something like that so close to a public school and homes. So maybe, like the Keystone XL pipeline, they are trying to keep the media away for PR reasons. Not really going to help since I see there are plenty of pictures to show what is wrong with this picture.

Take your pick, it is either one or the other.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. It is a freakin outrage.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:17 PM
Apr 2013

Ya this is fucked up pretty much every which way from Sunday malaise, hopefully there will be someone held accountable. I am looking at the pictures and wondering how they got away with building it so close to people.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
19. Perry is lucky Obama doesn't think like him
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:21 PM
Apr 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/obama-declares-emergency-texas-plant-blast-19004125#.UXLcasqyDiU
<snip>
President Barack Obama has issued an emergency declaration and pledged disaster relief aid to Texas to help in the recovery efforts following this week's deadly fertilizer plant explosion near Waco.

Obama's order Friday night authorizes the Federal Emergency Management Agency to coordinate disaster relief efforts in the town of West. Wednesday's explosion at the West Fertilizer plant killed at least 14 people, injured more than 200 others and demolished buildings for blocks around.

After addressing the arrest of the second Boston Marathon bombing suspect Friday night, the president extended his sympathies to the community of West and everyone else affected by the explosion.

Obama said he's spoken with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and West's mayor, and he pledged that the community will have the resources it needs to rebuild.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. They did NOT build it so close to people
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apr 2013

West Fertilizer began as Texas Grain and was founded in 1958 by the Plasek family, according to court documents in a civil case brought by Adair against the Monsanto Co. in 2007. In 1960, the fledgling company “built a small fertilizer blend plant for farmers in the area and started selling fertilizer and grain storage services for other farmers in Texas,” according to the records.

“The town grew up and around that fertilizer plant,” Payne said. “It’s a staple. That’s how agriculture works.”

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/fertilizer-plant-owner-longtime-fixtures-in-a-smal/nXRh2/

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Okay, still no one should build that close to a potential bomb.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:36 PM
Apr 2013

Live in a small town, can understand exactly what that means.

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