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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:05 PM Apr 2013

Was Tamerlane Tsarnaev involved in a triple-murder in 2011???

Last edited Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:45 PM - Edit history (1)

From the Boston Globe:

"Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved."

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/19/relatives-marathon-bombing-suspects-worried-that-older-brother-was-corrupting-sweet-younger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html

Another article with more background info about the murders and the victims:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/09/15/police_id_3_victims_in_waltham_killings/

One more article:

http://www.businessinsider.com/murder-of-brendan-mess-the-best-friend-of-boston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2013-4#ixzz2R1tT0Ruw

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Was Tamerlane Tsarnaev involved in a triple-murder in 2011??? (Original Post) reformist2 Apr 2013 OP
That is a stretch. dkf Apr 2013 #1
I'm googling stuff right now, police said it was probably somebody the victims knew. reformist2 Apr 2013 #5
Great Alibi If You were planning a murder TooMuchGun Apr 2013 #29
for shit reporting. not a shred of evidence does the author offer. Fucking asshole media cali Apr 2013 #2
Check the date. Barack_America Apr 2013 #6
Who knows. It was drug-related. femmocrat Apr 2013 #3
Hmm actually I was wondering how Tamerlan had a Mercedes. dkf Apr 2013 #4
Oh boy. The murders took place on... Sept. 11, 2011. reformist2 Apr 2013 #7
It has bit of Atta and the flying Circus jakeXT Apr 2013 #8
What do you mean? reformist2 Apr 2013 #24
Involment of drugs and crime jakeXT Apr 2013 #25
The $5,000 left at the crime scene is bizarre. reformist2 Apr 2013 #32
Of course he was... OneMoreDemocrat Apr 2013 #9
My first, tho admittedly uninformed speculation elfin Apr 2013 #10
This would also explain his trip to Russia in 2012... reformist2 Apr 2013 #11
His parents live in Russia n/t malaise Apr 2013 #17
His parents recently returned to Russia. LisaL Apr 2013 #19
I dunno...this seems kind of curious to me alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #12
A scenario - Maybe it was an argument over terrorism and Muslims? reformist2 Apr 2013 #13
A more blatant motive... Immabk Apr 2013 #28
These are the missing links, you should add them to your OP Turborama Apr 2013 #14
Damn alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #15
Box cutter demonstration gone wrong... FarCenter Apr 2013 #20
Just added those links - thanks! reformist2 Apr 2013 #16
Good job. Turborama Apr 2013 #34
Makes me wonder if the younger brother knew B2G Apr 2013 #18
They should ask Dzhokhar about this, among other things of course. reformist2 Apr 2013 #26
Kick n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #21
knr msanthrope Apr 2013 #22
I find that a very interesing coincidence. LisaL Apr 2013 #23
Interesting. I would like to see this looked into more. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #27
Update from Waltham Patch: Middlesex County DA will pursue any new leads. reformist2 Apr 2013 #30
Kick n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #31
Kicked, as this is becoming a 'legit' story now, whatever that means. reformist2 Apr 2013 #33

TooMuchGun

(1 post)
29. Great Alibi If You were planning a murder
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:56 AM
Apr 2013

If you were planning a murder wouldn't it be a good idea to tell people he was your best friend? Tamerlan was obviously a sociopath and had no qualms executing people (MIT Cop)

I'd be shocked if they didn't commit this murder.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
3. Who knows. It was drug-related.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:12 PM
Apr 2013

No sense speculating about it. Maybe the murder of his best friend influenced Tamerlan to start on the path to "radical Islam" -- or not. (I am trying to choose my words carefully here.) I'm sure someone with more information than we have is looking into it.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
4. Hmm actually I was wondering how Tamerlan had a Mercedes.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:15 PM
Apr 2013

In a photo essay by a local photographer in 2010, he can be seen posing outside the gym in front of his silver Mercedes, sporting sunglasses and white slip-on shoes

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/boston-marathon-bombing-tamerlan-tsarnaev-was-a-boxer-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-was-a-wrestler-both-were-terrorists-8580934.html

elfin

(6,262 posts)
10. My first, tho admittedly uninformed speculation
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:26 PM
Apr 2013

If the older brother became religiously radicalized AFTER he formed this reported friendship, he would have become totally intolerant of drugs and been aghast at his own previous use. So, kill those suppliers and witnesses to his past use.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
11. This would also explain his trip to Russia in 2012...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:57 PM
Apr 2013

He spent six months there. Could it be he was hiding out there until he felt the smoke had cleared?

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
19. His parents recently returned to Russia.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:12 PM
Apr 2013

His mother was still in US in 2012 (arrested for shoplifting).
Altough apparently she did visit Russia around that time, then came back.
Then went back again several months ago.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
12. I dunno...this seems kind of curious to me
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:06 PM
Apr 2013

The younger Tsarnaev is being described as a "stoner," somebody who was "really into marijuana."

And you have to remember—he was a stoner. He was really into marijuana.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/04/29/130429ta_talk_remnick


When your high school friends say you are a stoner, you're probably a stoner. Indeed, what was earlier interpreted as the younger Tsarnaev's "smug" smile at the marathon looks more like, well, a stoned smile (or at least the kind I used to have at 19!):



Clearly, both the brothers have a propensity for violence. And isn't 2011 when the older brother starts to go off the rails?

Definitely is odd to have him in the same orbit, at least, of these unsolved murders.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
13. A scenario - Maybe it was an argument over terrorism and Muslims?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:16 PM
Apr 2013

I looked up the date, and September 11, 2011 was a Sunday. Just speculating now, but... maybe Brendan invited Erik and Raphael and Tamerlan over for a couple of beers (and some weed - they all liked to smoke pot, it appears), and when the subject turned to the 10th anniversary of 9/11, things went horribly wrong...

Immabk

(8 posts)
28. A more blatant motive...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:03 AM
Apr 2013

Rafi and Erik were Jews, maybe even Israelis or at the very least first gen Americans but definitely proud Jews.

Sept. 11,

Heavy, heavy, pot culture fanatics.

This could not have been a friendly gathering gone wrong though because the victims were all very athletic, mma fighters boxers and martial arts fanatics. they were restrained and tortured.

Pot strewn all over them.

Money not taken.

You got my little bro weed? and associate with jews? me and my Chechen budding terrorist cell gather to teach you all a lesson in Chechen morality!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
15. Damn
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

But that sets off all kinds of alarms.

Whoa.

Knows the victims. Two suspects. Fast and accurate enough with his hands to stick three guys in the neck.

Baseless speculation, to be sure, but I'd put down a modest bet that at least the older brother is knee-deep in this triple homicide.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
34. Good job.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 05:26 PM
Apr 2013

I reckon, as your broke it here, you could add updates to the OP regarding the latest news stories about this, too.

:kick:

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
18. Makes me wonder if the younger brother knew
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:59 PM
Apr 2013

and it was being used to manipulate him in some way.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
23. I find that a very interesing coincidence.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:08 PM
Apr 2013

Hopefully police continues to investigate the triple homicide.
Since they have not solved it to this day.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
27. Interesting. I would like to see this looked into more.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:16 PM
Apr 2013

I don't really see that it is much of a stretch.

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