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MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:09 AM Apr 2013

First, everyone speculated about who did it.

Now, everyone can speculate about what led up to it.

If we're patient, we'll learn about that, too, in time, just as we learned who did it, in time. I'm sure there will be much speculation as to what led up to these two young men bombing the Boston Marathon, but only time will provide the answers.

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First, everyone speculated about who did it. (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2013 OP
Yep quinnox Apr 2013 #1
Did you come to this conclusion because Jenoch Apr 2013 #14
let's just say it isn't a scent you'd want to bottle quinnox Apr 2013 #25
I wonder if anyone is going to stick with their "tea bagger" theory? hughee99 Apr 2013 #2
What's wrong with speculation while waiting for the facts? lunatica Apr 2013 #3
I was making an observation, you see. MineralMan Apr 2013 #5
Well it came across as critical finger wagging lunatica Apr 2013 #6
Having reread what I wrote, I can't see why. MineralMan Apr 2013 #12
Part of it is your long standing reputation for critical finger wagging n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #15
Ah, I see. So it isn't what I write, it's your opinion MineralMan Apr 2013 #16
And you have an opinion of me that colors how you view what I write Fumesucker Apr 2013 #22
Actually, I don't have any particular opinion of you. MineralMan Apr 2013 #23
That is not what was said. You have history and that creates context in which your efforts Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #24
Everyone has history. What is written is what is written. MineralMan Apr 2013 #26
Well, in this case I think you're justified in finger-wagging from a high-horse. Quantess Apr 2013 #40
But, I'm not doing that here. I'm simply observing that the speculation MineralMan Apr 2013 #41
Okay, fair enough. Quantess Apr 2013 #42
In Fact - Clint Van Zandt - Makes A Living Out Of Speculating......nt global1 Apr 2013 #9
It's risky when you don't know who will read it. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #27
In what way is speculating about the Boston bombers risky? lunatica Apr 2013 #29
The most obvious example would be speculating about identity. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #31
If you're referring to journalists you have a point (Richard Jewell for example) lunatica Apr 2013 #36
On the other hand, some moron attacked a Muslim woman MineralMan Apr 2013 #38
I see no useful purpose in fashioning my behavior on some moron's behavior lunatica Apr 2013 #39
Okay! Any and all OP's and comments... DonViejo Apr 2013 #4
Did you somehow mistake my observation for an order MineralMan Apr 2013 #8
albeit one flavored with hypocrisy. cali Apr 2013 #10
Thank you for your analysis of a rather simple post. MineralMan Apr 2013 #17
Speculation is not the problem. FrodosPet Apr 2013 #13
well that was silly and pointless cali Apr 2013 #7
You also seem to have mistaken my observation MineralMan Apr 2013 #11
Yeah, but why be patient? It's more fun to make stuff up and yell at clouds. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #18
Nope. I've never been in the FBI. I've been in a file MineralMan Apr 2013 #20
Yes, let's not frogmarch Apr 2013 #19
It's not that. It's that we have no way to get MineralMan Apr 2013 #21
And most of the speculation was, and will be, wrong is some manner Maeve Apr 2013 #28
That's usually the case. Lacking actual information, MineralMan Apr 2013 #30
Kind of broad brush, isn't it. Progressive dog Apr 2013 #32
Based on my explorations of Internet venues after MineralMan Apr 2013 #34
Now that is serious bull. Progressive dog Apr 2013 #37
Short Attention Span Theater... KharmaTrain Apr 2013 #33
True. There will certainly be a next event MineralMan Apr 2013 #35

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
2. I wonder if anyone is going to stick with their "tea bagger" theory?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

That seemed very popular just a few days ago.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
3. What's wrong with speculation while waiting for the facts?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:15 AM
Apr 2013

Do you think law enforcement never speculate? They do, and many times their speculation leads to successful conclusions.

It's human nature because we have the ability to connect the dots and speculate into the future like no other species.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. And you have an opinion of me that colors how you view what I write
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:33 AM
Apr 2013

It's just human nature, if you have earned a reputation as a critical finger wagger then people will view your posts through the lens of that reputation.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
23. Actually, I don't have any particular opinion of you.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:36 AM
Apr 2013

I see what you write, and sometimes have an opinion about that. I don't know you, though. You're just a screen name to me. Beyond that, I have no knowledge of who you might be.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. That is not what was said. You have history and that creates context in which your efforts
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:36 AM
Apr 2013

are understood by others. It is what you have written that defines what you later write. That's the code of the hills.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
26. Everyone has history. What is written is what is written.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

Sometimes what is written is just that. As it is in this thread.

And I'm not even talking about DU, specifically. I read lots of stuff on the Internet, and my observation covers all of it.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
40. Well, in this case I think you're justified in finger-wagging from a high-horse.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:39 PM
Apr 2013

Given the wildly inaccurate speculation combined with gloating and certainty, that we saw on the DU the past few days.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
41. But, I'm not doing that here. I'm simply observing that the speculation
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:43 PM
Apr 2013

will simply continue, with a different topic. Personally, I've never seen the utility of such speculation, when the actual information will appear soon enough. However, that doesn't seem to be the way many others feel, so the speculation is always present.

That's just an observation, which is shown to be correct time after time.

I try not to engage in it, myself.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
27. It's risky when you don't know who will read it.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:41 AM
Apr 2013

Speculating on your own, or with people whose judgement you trust, is fine.

Speculating on the internet, where other people may attach more weight to your speculations than you intended, is potentially risky.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
29. In what way is speculating about the Boston bombers risky?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:44 AM
Apr 2013

I can't bring myself to be afraid of everything out there.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
31. The most obvious example would be speculating about identity.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:47 AM
Apr 2013

I saw a number of names that weren't the ones now in custody speculated about in various places, sometimes with less "we don't know if this guy did it" attached that I'd have liked.

That could easily have lead to vigilantes killing innocent people.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
36. If you're referring to journalists you have a point (Richard Jewell for example)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:57 AM
Apr 2013

but speculating as laymen on DU is quite different.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
38. On the other hand, some moron attacked a Muslim woman
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:13 PM
Apr 2013

based in part on speculation about this incident. That's unfortunate, especially for the woman who was attacked, I think.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
39. I see no useful purpose in fashioning my behavior on some moron's behavior
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:36 PM
Apr 2013

Not everyone throws all reason out when speculating. And speculating is quite different than jumping to conclusions, especially if there are baseless. Most speculation is pretty rational.

I try not to be afraid of everything.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
4. Okay! Any and all OP's and comments...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:18 AM
Apr 2013

speculating on the who, what, when and why of the Boston bombers is hereby prohibited on DU. My edict and a couple bucks will get you a good cup of coffee at your favorite restaurant.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
8. Did you somehow mistake my observation for an order
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

of some kind? Firstly, it wasn't any such thing, and secondly, I'm not in any position to tell anyone what to do. I was making an observation.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. well that was silly and pointless
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

It's a discussion board. People discuss events- including YOU.

gad.

smug, self-righteous and self-serving. love it.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
18. Yeah, but why be patient? It's more fun to make stuff up and yell at clouds.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:27 AM
Apr 2013

Weren't you in the FBI in 2011? Do you feel accountable for letting that kid go when it was SO CLEAR he was training to be a terrorist?




MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
20. Nope. I've never been in the FBI. I've been in a file
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

at the FBI, though. Anyone with a security clearance has been in a file there. It was interesting to read. I asked for it under an FOI request, and received it, with some edits, of course. They actually interviewed people in my home town during the investigation for that clearance. Teachers, a minister, the owner of the local pool hall.

I worked at the NSA headquarters while in the USAF, between 1968 and 1969. I never had anything to do with the FBI, though.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
21. It's not that. It's that we have no way to get
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

such information, really. We'll learn it, eventually, but the answers will come from other sources than random Internet posters. At this point, there's not a lot of need for worry about it at all. The answers will emerge.

Maeve

(42,271 posts)
28. And most of the speculation was, and will be, wrong is some manner
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:43 AM
Apr 2013

Home-grown? Kind of. Islamic? Apparently. But not teabaggers, not Middle Eastern...most of what spec has been seen here and all over America was wrong in some fundamental. I'm with you--time will tell and guessing won't.

But have it, y'all. It's a free country.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
30. That's usually the case. Lacking actual information,
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:47 AM
Apr 2013

we tend to speculate based on our limited knowledge. It's interesting to watch speculation in such cases, both on forums like DU, and elsewhere. Often, it seems like the same basic sets of prejudices appear regularly. Personally, I prefer to wait until the evidence is sufficient to form some sort of informed opinion. That often takes a good deal of time. This bombing was resolved rather quickly, I think, thanks to the hard work of everyone involved.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
32. Kind of broad brush, isn't it.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:51 AM
Apr 2013

Everyone can also make broad generalizations about everyone. If we're patient, they'll come up with new ones.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
34. Based on my explorations of Internet venues after
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:55 AM
Apr 2013

the Boston Marathon bombing, I don't think it's all that broad, really.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
37. Now that is serious bull.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:00 PM
Apr 2013

You either frequent some strange websites or you don't understand the meaning of everyone.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
33. Short Attention Span Theater...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

...right now the ENG trucks are on their way to the next "big thing"...next week there'll be another tragedy or some political dogfight and this story will fade into the background noise. Of course it won't for the families whose lives have been tragically torn apart by this but hopefully they'll have peace to heal.

You are right...just as time and patience led to the best resolution of a very bad situation, the same will apply to the many questions surrounding the Tsarnaevs. In the meantime it's the nature of the beast for conjecture and speculation to run rampant until that also fades away...chasing the next "big" thing. Meanwhile the survivors will heal and the judicial system shall do its thing...

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
35. True. There will certainly be a next event
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:57 AM
Apr 2013

that will take most people's minds off this one. The Internet doesn't dwell long on most things, except for the odd conspiracy theory or two.

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