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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:04 AM Apr 2013

Homeland Security Regulations and the Texas Nitrate Explosion

(Reuters) - The fertilizer plant that exploded on Wednesday, obliterating part of a small Texas town and killing at least 14 people, had last year been storing 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
Yet a person familiar with DHS operations said the company that owns the plant, West Fertilizer, did not tell the agency about the potentially explosive fertilizer as it is required to do, leaving one of the principal regulators of ammonium nitrate - which can also be used in bomb making - unaware of any danger there.

Fertilizer plants and depots must report to the DHS when they hold 400 lb (180 kg) or more of the substance. Filings this year with the Texas Department of State Health Services, which weren't shared with DHS, show the plant had 270 tons of it on hand last year.

A U.S. congressman and several safety experts called into question on Friday whether incomplete disclosure or regulatory gridlock may have contributed to the disaster.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/us-usa-explosion-regulation-idUSBRE93J09N20130420

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Homeland Security Regulations and the Texas Nitrate Explosion (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 OP
I'm expecting a bankruptcy filing by the parent company before any wrongful death suits are filed LonePirate Apr 2013 #1
+1 russspeakeasy Apr 2013 #4
Then I hope they sue him personally. n/t BlueToTheBone Apr 2013 #7
Not just "negligence on the corporate side of the ledger", bvar22 Apr 2013 #14
The tragedy in West, Texas, is a price a right-wing society willingly pays for the joys of living in indepat Apr 2013 #22
Good point, let's find out the name of the corporate executives who made decisions KittyWampus Apr 2013 #19
Thanks for posting this. Republican rule in action. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #2
It Truly Is GOP Rule In Action - Starve The Beast dballance Apr 2013 #3
Some expert said that Cleita Apr 2013 #5
OSHA is part of Dept of Labor Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 #9
I know that. I was just mentioning it because if OSHA had been there to Cleita Apr 2013 #15
They had EPA violations too Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 #17
The EPA violations were about ten years ago too, if I remember what I read 2003, I Cleita Apr 2013 #18
even if there were inspections, they end up getting fined and paying it as part of doing business. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #21
A lot like China, isn't it? KittyWampus Apr 2013 #20
"regulatory gridlock" LiberalEsto Apr 2013 #6
DHS requires reporting of 400 or more pounds of ammonium nitrate. 1KansasDem Apr 2013 #8
the plant had 270 tons not pounds Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 #10
I'm not defending the lack of reporting to the DHS. 1KansasDem Apr 2013 #13
They owner probably had his head so far up Bush's ass! gopiscrap Apr 2013 #11
I read in Austin paper about the owner of this plant.... northoftheborder Apr 2013 #12
Whether or not the incomplete disclosure contributed... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #16

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
1. I'm expecting a bankruptcy filing by the parent company before any wrongful death suits are filed
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

This explosion was caused by all sorts of negligence on the corporate side of the ledger.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
14. Not just "negligence on the corporate side of the ledger",
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:20 PM
Apr 2013

...but negligence on the part of our government to provide oversight,
and enforce regulations.

Thank You, Ronald Reagan, and every president since Reagan (Republican & Democrat),
for the systematic defunding and dismantling of our Government Oversight Agencies.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
22. The tragedy in West, Texas, is a price a right-wing society willingly pays for the joys of living in
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:24 PM
Apr 2013

a society not much burdened with governmental regulation, intrusion, and oversight. The capitalists in America must be free to rake in and retain most of their profits, paying little taxes, and the losses they create through negligence, greed, and destruction of the environment will be socialized. The stark fruits of this laizze-faire approach to governance abound for all of us to see.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
19. Good point, let's find out the name of the corporate executives who made decisions
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

at that plant.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
3. It Truly Is GOP Rule In Action - Starve The Beast
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

The plant hadn't been inspected for far too long. This obviously creates a sense of security that they won't be caught if they do something they shouldn't. This is because there are not enough inspectors. Why? Because when the GOP can't kill the regulations they starve the agencies tasked with enforcing the regulations of funds. This ensures just what happened in West. No money to employ enough inspectors means no inspections. Just as effective as killing the regulations all together.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
5. Some expert said that
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:27 AM
Apr 2013

OSHA is stretched so thin that very few workplaces ever get inspected for violations.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. OSHA is part of Dept of Labor
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

not Homeland Security.

Just to make that clear so this is a separate inspection by Homeland security.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
15. I know that. I was just mentioning it because if OSHA had been there to
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:26 PM
Apr 2013

inspect labor violations, I believe the safety of the whole facility would have been better. Also, they may have notified HS about potential danger. I also think that HS must be strapped for inspectors too with all this austerity policy the Repubs are imposing on is.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
17. They had EPA violations too
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:34 PM
Apr 2013

further down in the article. which gets into who does what with this shit to make sure its safe.

BTW.. not on your case
wanted to point out the jurisdiction knowledge for our lay readers.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
18. The EPA violations were about ten years ago too, if I remember what I read 2003, I
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:43 PM
Apr 2013

believe. It seems there has been no inspection since then.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
21. even if there were inspections, they end up getting fined and paying it as part of doing business.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:48 PM
Apr 2013

I think they were fined before and paid a whopping 30 bucks.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
6. "regulatory gridlock"
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:29 AM
Apr 2013


Oh those wacky Rethuglicans!

Always ready to blame their own stupidity and greed on excessive regulation, big government, the Federal Deficit, Social Security or whichever of their other false boogeymen fits the bill.

1KansasDem

(251 posts)
8. DHS requires reporting of 400 or more pounds of ammonium nitrate.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:49 AM
Apr 2013

Sorry, that's a ridiculous regulation. I'll bet 70-80% of farmers have 10 times that amount in a shed at one time or another.
Ammonium nitrate is so common at COOP's in rural area's that no one thought a thing of Tim McVey buying a couple thousand pounds of it at my local COOP.

1KansasDem

(251 posts)
13. I'm not defending the lack of reporting to the DHS.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:04 PM
Apr 2013

270 tons was reported to the state.
My beef is the 400 lb barrier FOR reporting to DHS.
Whoever came up with that small amount has no understanding of the use of this product in rural america.
Would you scoff at a regulation requiring the reporting of the storage of 10 gallons or more of
gasoline??

gopiscrap

(23,726 posts)
11. They owner probably had his head so far up Bush's ass!
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:55 AM
Apr 2013

Texas being run by a bunch greedy repukes and business types probably doesn't give a shit that this happened....it will happen again unless there are serious penalties and huge oversight. But that takes everyone bitching and omaning about it til something happens!

northoftheborder

(7,569 posts)
12. I read in Austin paper about the owner of this plant....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:02 PM
Apr 2013

....he is elder in his church, and otherwise worthy citizen who has contributed much to his town. This does NOT, in my opinion, justify any omission, either by accident or on purpose, of rules of safety and reporting necessary in this type of plant. There definitely needs to be a good thorough inspection of this whole facility and it's operation by the feds. (not state regiulators).

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
16. Whether or not the incomplete disclosure contributed...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013

...to the disaster, it was certainly criminal.

I await charges against company officials.

(not holding my breath though)

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