Where did the Tsarnaevs get all this money?

[B2G]

Last edited Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)

This seems really odd to me.


"The accused Marathon bombers wore expensive clothes and drove brand-new Porsches, Range Rovers and Mercedes — and were in a rush for their car the day after the bombing, , says a Cambridge auto body shop owner.

Junior said the two were from Russia and used to live in Turkey. He said they belonged to a group of friends from Turkey. He said they paid him in cash and he never knew their names. He knew them only as “the brothers.”

“They drive new cars all the time, like Porsches, Range Rovers, all the time. They change cars all the time,” he said."

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/mechanic_suspect_was_in_rush_for_car_day_after_bombing

[Jersey Devil]

1. Should be investigated, but

both their parents are lawyers in Russia. Before jumping to conclusions that they were funded by foreign groups I think they will check to see if they weren't just the spoiled kids of people with money.

[B2G]

4. I thought the aunt was a lawyer, not the parents

Their uncle was quoted as saying his brother 'fixed cars'. And I'm positive the mother isn't one.

Which still begs the original question...

[malaise]

6. Both parents are lawyers but they could not practice in the US

so the father fixed cars

[B2G]

16. I would love to see the source that his parents are lawyers

I can't find anything but the reference to the aunt.

Their father just returned to Russia a year ago. I thought the mother was still here.

[DURHAM D]

33. I heard it from a woman who was a former neighbor

of the family. The interview was on tv last night but I don't recall which station - think it was network. She said they were a wonderful family and their families spent a lot of time together and both parents were attorneys but could not practice here so the father worked as a mechanic.

Honestly... it seemed a bit much.

[B2G]

36. Mother was arrested for shoplifting last year

She wasn't a lawyer and neither was dad.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-mother-of-the-boston-bombing-suspects-reportedly-arrested-2013-4

[DURHAM D]

41. Good grief -

the fact she was arrested for shoplifting last year does not mean she is not a lawyer.

A man who works the return desk at my local Home Depot was a dentist back home.

[femmocrat]

52. I also heard they were both lawyers. This article says mom was a cosmetologist.

"Their father, a lawyer before he emigrated, worked as an auto mechanic in the the United States, while their mother was a licensed cosmetologist."

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/19/relatives-marathon-bombing-suspects-worried-that-older-brother-was-corrupting-sweet-younger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html

That is the first I have seen about the mom's career/profession.

[treestar]

5. And why would a terrorist group bother

to fund them at that level?

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. al Qaeda keeps it's people in Porsches

It is, of course, an absurdity.

Thanks for bringing some sanity to the impending hindsight festival.

[treestar]

18. "impending hindsight festival"

Great wording!

[B2G]

19. We must not speculate after the fact

Only before.

But thanks for playing.

[treestar]

21. Since "thanks for playing" is usually meant rudely

What are you getting at? And so why so eager to speculate that the FBI could have known all about what Tamerlan was going do to 2 years before he did it?

[B2G]

24. Where did I say anything about the FBI? n/t

[treestar]

25. You didn't say much of anything

I don't get what you meant, only that you meant it snarkily.

[B2G]

29. My post is about how they supported their lifestyle, not about the FBI

If you don't like that line of speculation, that's fine. Feel free to trash the thread.

[treestar]

38. You are suggesting that there must have been funding from some terrorist group

I would presume that the FBI should have known about that?

[B2G]

45. That is exactly what I am speculating

And it sure would have been nice if the FBI had know, wouldn't it? Especially given the fact they had investigated him.

Now you tell me why that is so far-fetched.

[Katashi_itto]

64. Sound like they were part of a car chop and shop operation

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. This is another "used to live in Turkey" claim, which doesn't seem to be true

I'd wait for a more reliable source than a mechanic who didn't know their names.

[B2G]

7. I'm asking a question, not asserting anything

Is that OK with you?

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. The "I'm only asking" excuse is tired

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Somerville-mechanic-repaired-Boston-Marathon-bombing-suspects-cars/-/11971628/19816422/-/5qj51f/-/index.html

This (on camera interview with the mechanic) says the expensive cars belonged to foreign students who were friends. It seems clear the white Mercedes belonged to his girlfriend, though some sources say it's a 2006 model, and some a 1967 one.

You said "all this money" in the thread title. You are claiming they had "all this money", but there's no actual claim that they did.

[B2G]

43. You're 'tired' of people asking questions about this family?

Really? Why is that?

And if you had read the links upthread, you would know that the same mechanic you're relying on for your information was quoted as saying they brought many expensive cars in all the time. I'm very aware the Mercedes supposedly belonged to the girlfriend.

I swear, a few on this thread seem bound and determined that nothing negative should be said about these two. Makes me wonder why.

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. I'm tired of people claiming "I'm only asking" about all kinds of things

(not just in this story) when the way they phrased the question is actually assuming facts that don't have the evidence for. And then leaping on anyone who tries to answer in a way that doesn't accept the implications they tried to put in their leading question. It's tedious. It makes internet discussions suck.

So, where is "all this money"? You say "My post is about how they supported their lifestyle". But their "lifestyle" appears to consist of bringing cars belonging to foreign students to a local mechanic to be repaired (and this is not that surprising - when you're in a different country and city, you often don't know how to find a mechanic you can trust).

You "seem bound and determined" to say they were living a luxurious lifestyle, without decent evidence. You say you are speculating they were funded by a foreign terrorist group. Do you think that other DUers don't have the right to point out how threadbare your speculation is, or to post links that cast doubt on it?

[B2G]

47. It's far less threadbare than all of the speculation that went on

about their race, political affiliations, ethnicity, etc. before the victims' bodies were even cold.

Did you publicly object to that as well?

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. Why, yes, I did object to it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2691530
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2691504
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2684382
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2680350
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2679709

[B2G]

53. Well good. At least you're being consistent.

[bvar22]

57. "Where were they getting their money" is certainly a valid and interesting question,

and pertinent to anyone interested in STOPPING these kinds of senseless attacks in the future.

I'm sure that investigative resources have been tasked with this job.

[FarCenter]

20. Looks like someone was furnishing them with passports.

According to Ria News, they have Turkish citizenship and apparently entered the United States using Turkish visas, but Turkish Interior Minister Muammer Guler denies this assertion. Instead, he says the Tsarnaevs stayed in Turkey for 10 days about a decade ago and then left for the United States. He added that they entered Turkey using Kyrgyz passports, which could also confirm Kyrgyzstan as their birth country.

Recall that Turkey worked with the US on destabilizing the USSR by working with Salafists in the Turkmen population of Central Asia.

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. Which appears to be complete rubbish from Ria News

They blame that on NBC, linking to the NBC front page - the translation says:

MOSCOW, April 19 - RIA Novosti. Tsarnaevy brothers, who are suspected of committing a terrorist attack during the Boston Marathon , are citizens of Turkey and entered the United States on a Turkish visa, according to TV channel NBC .

According to the TV, who was killed in a special operation Tamerlane Tsarnaev obtained a residence permit in the U.S. in 2007.

But NBC is certainly not saying anything remotely like that. We know they entered earlier, and from Dagestan (ie part of Russia). No-one was "furnishing them with passports" in the strange sense you seem to mean - they had Kyrgyz passports because they'd lived there for several years.

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. That sounds like nonsense

they have/had Kyrgyz citizenship, and were on Kyrgyz passports.

An official in the central Asian republic of Kyrgyzstan told CNN that the brothers were Kyrgyz passport holders, and used those passports when applying for green cards in the United States.

Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/04/19/suspects-described-as-brothers-from-russian-caucasus/#ixzz2R0pgyzvc

[gateley]

3. That's the first I've heard of them driving luxury cars or that Junior had a girlfriend.

Anybody else?

I have heard that the elder brother was married, but don't know the status of his marriage at that time.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. The white Mercedes has been mentioned. And shown in photos.

nt

[gateley]

12. Thanks. I don't know why I didn't remember this -- I was glued to the TV practically the

entire week.

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. This says it's a white 1967 Mercedes wagon that belonged to the girlfriend

Still from an interview with Junior.

Two weeks ago, said 44-year-old Gilberto Junior, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had brought in a white Mercedes 1967 station wagon to have the damaged rear bumper repaired. He said it belonged to his girlfriend.

That was not unusual: Tsarnaev often brought in cars for wealthy friends from Boston University and MIT, Junior said, and always paid in cash.
...
Tsarnaev's friends were all wealthy and Turkish, Junior said, and drove Range Rovers, Porsche Cayennes and BMWs.

On his last visit, the young man was wearing Louis Vuitton shoes and Burberry pants, and wore his hair shorter.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-nn-na-auto-body-shop-cambridge-bombing-suspect-20130419,0,2116032.story

[City of Mills]

9. All I know is from the posted videos, it looked like a girl

Was following the brothers through the crowd, and she was also carrying a heavy backpack...who was she? I think more arrests could be coming...

[gateley]

11. Interesting! As I said, hadn't heard about a female -- also hadn't noticed a woman

who appeared to be following them. Or, maybe I have -- information overload, my mind was mush.

[City of Mills]

22. You know what?

Now that I'm re-watching the video, there is also a girl wearing a brown jacket walking IN FRONT of both bombers (in front of the baloon carrying person), also wearing a heavy backpack...in one of the angles, the girl stops, and the two bomber suspects walk past, the video cuts out but i would be interested to see if there's more footage...it almost looked like the girl in the very front was waiting to meet up with the girl (wearing yellow) walking behind the bombers...I don't know, to me it looks like FOUR people walking in a line with heavy backpacks...

See for yourself, what do you think?

[gateley]

27. When the girl in brown stops, it seems like she's talking to

a guy who's standing there, then kind of "settles in" with him. Like they were friends meeting? The girl in yellow crosses the street to join the flow, white hat rounded the corner.

I'm thinking they're not together -- but we'll have to wait and see. Those backpacks DO look heavy, though! Were there any undetonated bombs discovered along the route?

[City of Mills]

32. Hopefully they're unrelated, and it's just the two guys

I just found it somewhat odd that all 4 figures are in all the video clips and all are walking in the same direction with the same "sense of purpose". Did notice it looks like girl in brown stops and talks with someone else on the side (a lookout?). It seems beyond credibility to think there would be that many young people involved. I guess we'll all find out soon!

[gateley]

44. It's always possible, and then you DO think -- 4 young people, heading the same direction

(although that was the main drag) with what appear to be heavy backpacks....

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. So, basically, you're suspecting anyone with a backpack

despite the explosion of only 2 bombs, and no other bombs being found at the scene, you're now saying that anyone carrying a backpack is under suspicion, even if they do normal things like stop and talk to people. What are you saying they would have done with their backpack? Decide to take it home with them?

[City of Mills]

61. No, not at all!

I'm saying that I might consider anyone walking directly in front of, or directly behind, the two known bombers (who also happen to be carrying heavy backpacks) to be 'persons of interest'. Just because only two bombs went off doesn't mean that there weren't more bombs brought in by others...it takes a lot of nerve to murder innocent people, and maybe someone else involved lost some of their nerve. Or, maybe it was just the two bombers and no one else. I don't know, I'm not a detective but I'm going by what I see in those short videos.

[muriel_volestrangler]

62. And you think they carried the bombs back out again

And by "directly" you mean not "directly", but in front of the person in front of them. And stopping to chat to someone without a backpack, already standing there, also puts that person under suspicion to you, I take it?

Thank goodnes you aren't a detective. The entire crowd would be under suspicion within a few minutes.

[Progressive dog]

54. The two other bombs didn't explode and the other

conspirators recovered them before the LEO's could.
We should have a contest to see who can find more conspirators in these videos.

[malaise]

10. Still married

saw a clip with the wife and child entering a car last night on GEM$NBComcast.
Her family sent out a statement expressing sympathy for those killed and hurt and said that their daughter had lost her husband.

[gateley]

15. Thanks -- don't know why I got the impression that maybe he'd separated

from her. Maybe just because there hasn't been a lot of info about the marriage.

[Cleita]

13. If the younger brother doesn't die in the hospital and makes it to trial, then we

will probably have answers to all the questions being asked as the evidence and other information unfolds. Lots of immigrants from former war torn countries were well off in that country, and often they have some wealth salted away in foreign banks.

[DanTex]

17. Maybe they were drug dealers.

[kelliekat44]

26. There is a strong presence of Russian (not sure about ethnic groups) organized crime

along the east coast. I can attest to the huge influx of Russians in the DC metro area and have posted several times about their obnoxious behavior toward American citizens of color who were born here and whose families roots go back to original colonies. Yet these immigrants, with their new found freedom of expression tend to treat citizens of color (Latinos, blacks, African-American etc. with disdain and outright rudeness. You can judge for yourselves by listening to the Tsarnaev family that have been interviewed during this terrorist episode. They even have outright disdain for American law enforcement and others. I am not one who supports collective degrading of groups of people but I am speaking from life experiences among these immigrants (Serbian, Croation, Chechen, whatever.) They seem to have more of a chip on their shoulder than other immigrants. Perhaps it is because of the brutality with which they, themselves have been treated in their own countries but it seems a very poor way to behave toward the citizens of your host country. I have grandchildren who attend elementary school with several children from ethnic groups and they all get along just fine but the parents are pretty obnoxious to fellow parents and their children. Maybe it's just the group that have immigrated to this area?

[loudsue]

56. Muslim extremists treat many Americans with the same disdain when they come over for a college

education. ESPECIALLY American women. I had a nasty encounter once with a very wealthy son/nephew? of a sheik who lived near me. He told me I was a whore for wearing shorts (in 100+ degree weather). He said all Americans are the devil for drinking alcohol.

[kestrel91316]

60. It's been my experience, with our large Russian community here,

that they aren't just rude to people of color. They are rude to anybody who isn't Russian. And they are even rude to many other Russians, lol. They are just very likely to be rude, loud, argumentative, and dismissive to ANYONE who isn't them.

There are plenty of Russians who seem to behave normally - I am not condemning THEM. I am talking about the ones who are rude by habit.

[B2G]

28. They also went to some pretty elite schools

Not bad for a family of immigrants whose father 'worked on cars'.

[Spider Jerusalem]

40. Elite schools?

Rindge & Latin is a public high school; UMass is a public university.

[LisaL]

42. Exactly.

People are confusing UMass Darmouth where the suspect went with Darmouth College.
But they are not one and the same.
UMass Darmouth is a state school.

[MOTRDemocrat]

59. Unfortunately on scholarships that would've been better used on American-born students. nt

[Marrah_G]

63. Wrong message board

[jambo101]

30. They were living the American dream

Nice cars,best of schools,excellent potentials for future.
I dont understand why they would so readily give all that up and instead think blowing up innocent people for Allah would be a preferable direction in life..
Unless they bought the 72 virgins scam..

[LisaL]

39. What best of schools?

As I understand, older one went to some community college.
The younger one went to University of Massachusetts Dartmouth.
That is a state school. People are confusing it with a private university (Darmouth College), but they are not one and the same.

[LisaL]

35. I am not sure they had that much money.

He could have been bringing cars in to fix for friends.
Shoes could have been knock offs and didn't really cost $900.
He had a scolarship to college.

[kickysnana]

49. Odder yet if they were driving new cars why did they need car service from him?

What kind of "service" did this guy do for them?
Were the cars Rented?
Borrowed for a time?
"Found" like Columbus found America?

It may have been this service guy who said off camera that he thought that they dealt some MJ.

Mom left after being convicted of shop lifting at Lord and Taylors.
Dad left too.
Oldest deceased brother was charged with Domestic Abuse and lost out on citizenship.
2 Sisters?

As for the family claiming they were set up by the Feds, that actually happened last week to someone else, Add that to the fact that it looked like the country was coming together over gun control and might stay together and take out the banksters and their enablers. Distraction works as we all know. Just speculation but things worth looking into anyway for peace of mind and survival in here in Amerika. The fight for freedom and democracy is a never ending one.

On the other hand, my smell-a-rat detector makes me wonder if these folks thought that all Americans were, stupid and/or corrupt and that they were somehow entitled to punish us. Alienated youth taken to the max.

I will wait for the outcome. At least they cannot ship the evidence to China on this one.

[HooptieWagon]

55. What money?

They had to use the carjack victim's ATM card to get $800. If they had money, either their own or from terrorist group, then I think they would have cleared out of town during the 4 day window of opportunity.

[jakeXT]

58. When I hear Turkey, I think of Sibel Edmonds

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/