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The foreign government told the FBI that Tsarnaev had become "a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer and that he had changed drastically ... as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country's region to join unspecificied underground groups."
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Namely:
- Given the explicit warning, why didn't the FBI continue to monitor Tsarnaev?
- Why didn't the FBI follow up with the foreign government when it didn't get the additional information it requested?
- How common is a warning from a foreign government about a specific person like this? Does the FBI get thousands of them?
- What made the FBI effectively clear Tsarnaev and what might the FBI change to avoid making this mistake again?
- Will the FBI conduct a full investigation into what happened?
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-warned-about-boston-bombing-suspect-2013-4
Also -- was the Tsarnaeva family involved with CIA sponsored activities in the Caucasus to destabilize the Soviet Union and Russia?
Is that why they were granted political asylum?
JackN415
(924 posts)The way FBI "checked out" the Tsarnaev for terrorism activities might be to interview him and ask: "Hi, we are the FBI, do you currently have or do you intend to have any terrorism activities?"
"Oh, you don't?"
"OK, bye. This is our card, whenever you think of engaging in terrorism, give us a call, will ya?"
"Thanks."
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)sickening-- and they absolutely need to be held accountable
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)otherwise, it'll really bite him in the ass, and lead to a lot more distrust.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1). Why didn't they look this guy up immediately after the bombing;
2). He committed domestic violence--why wasn't he deported?
3). Why didn't his travels raise red flags?
onenote
(42,375 posts)When did it happen and was he convicted? I'm asking because we obviously don't deport every non-citizen that is charged with domestic violence.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html
It was enough for INS to deny him citizenship.
Edit:
Stephanie Guyotte, a spokeswoman for the Middlesex County, Massachusetts, District Attorney, told Bloomberg News that Tsarnaev was arrested on the charge but said he wasn't convicted.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_23065357/boston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaevs-mother-law-sickened
onenote
(42,375 posts)I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised that this is not that an unusual result. Or, to put in another way, does anyone know whether an arrest for a domestic violence offense typically results in deportation?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)He wasn't convicted of the charge.
He had a daughter at that point. The mother might have been motivated to drop charges in hopes of future support. Obviously none of us knows, but if he wasn't believed to be a danger to the public it's not clear why they would want to deport him. I believe he was a legal resident, and that he was in school at the time.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I wonder if he pled guilty to a lesser offense?
Snarkoleptic
(5,995 posts)The only ones that source anything point back to an anonymous source that reports a conviction to (RW) Judicial watch.
Wingnut heads are exploding and they're demanding a congressional investigation based on anonymous reporting.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/04/boston-bomber-could-have-been-deported-after-2009-conviction/
Meanwhile in the reality-based community...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/brothers-suspected-in-boston-bombing-straddled-cultures.html
starroute
(12,977 posts)If there are fewer than 200 Chechen immigrants in the US, and 70% of them are women, that means the extended Tsaraev family would account for some four or five out of a total of maybe sixty Chechen men. It also sounds as though the family didn't have any 3-5 year wait for visas, or any problem getting green cards. That suggests there was some sort of pull involved -- and also that the FBI was probably well aware of who these people were.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/chechens-immigrants-us-population/2097065/
There are probably fewer than about 200 Chechen immigrants in the United States, and most of them are settled in the Boston area, as many U.S. cities have refused to accept asylum applicants from the war-torn area of southern Russia, says Glen Howard, president of the Jamestown Foundation.
About 70% of the Chechen immigrants are women, Howard says. Very few men are granted asylum because of U.S. anti-terrorism policies and because Russia often protests when ethnic Chechens try to settle in the U.S., he said. The U.S. admitted only 197 refugees from all of Russia in 2012. . . .
"This family is a very rare episode. Very few make it here, even fewer get green cards," Howard said. The Jamestown Foundation has testified on behalf of several ethnic Chechens who have applied for asylum in the United States, which is typically a three- to five-year process.
roamer65
(36,739 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)It's odd. Especially since Chechens have no political reason to attack the United States.
There is a piece missing to this story.
I don't expect the government to ever tell us the truth though.
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)Don't find her credible.
RILib
(862 posts)like the father who thinks "lightly hitting" the girl friend is no reason to toss the son out of the citizenship queue.
Unfortunately a lot of resident aliens are still here despite committing crimes. I would toss all those people out.
As to the FBI, we don't know what they did. I saw one thing that said they checked him out thoroughly and found nothing. I don't think we're going to follow around everyone Russia doesn't like.
As to shutting down a city (for what, two days), good for Bostonians for helping catch the guy and having enough sense to stay out of harm's way.
Pachamama
(16,874 posts)....deadly weapon when assaulting someone?????
There is a lot wrong here...so many red-flags....
Sounds to me like Uncle Ruslan in MD had some reasons he noticed a long time ago to decide not to have anything to do with this part of the family...
dkf
(37,305 posts)I really like this guy.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)They shut the city down early Friday morning. By Friday late afternoon/early evening they re-opened and within a couple hours had him.
To me, it made total sense. Shut the city down not only to prevent mayhem, but to make it easier to flush him out and spot him if he tried to flee.
And when that failed, re-open and let the citizens see if they noticed anything different in their environ. And one, clearly, did.
DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts)rocktivity
(44,555 posts)Just a couple of losers.
rocktivity
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Note that we heard her say this before the FBI admitted they had interviewed Tamerlane at all.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)She must be nuts - can't possibly be telling the truth that there's more going on here than the rest of us know.
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)they thought it was the FBI?
dkf
(37,305 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)social media page.
tomp
(9,512 posts)i assume we will never know the real truth because our government doesn't tell us what we need to know to arrive at reasonable opinions.
Pardon my conspiratorial mind, but there is something fishy about the whole affair. At the very least, look how easy it was to shut down a major u.s. city ( to say it was voluntary begs the question, i.e., how would it be seen to refuse the police's request under the circumstances). Imagine if two guys in every major city in the u.s. did the same thing on the same day, which obviously would not be hard to do. What then? And just like for 9/11, there were warnings.
but america is now saying, "we got' em! hooray!" we got shit.
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)I pretty much heard the opposite on MSNBC.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Our government knew about these two for awhile.
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)No " derogatory" information so closed the file.
They didn't find anything. My hunch is that he didn't go all wacky until later.
This article suggests he was still all about being a boxer then:
http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/9189603/2013-boston-marathon-shooting-dead-suspect-had-boxing-aspirations
Talking about the part where Edwin Rodriguez says he sparred with him 2 years ago.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)They gooffed up.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)there were so many warnings pre-9/11, it is sick. Just one of many reasons it's hard to trust the official story.
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)pre Boston Marathon bombing
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Yes, all you have to do is detonate a series of bombs in the middle of a crowded, public gathering. For some reason that seems to get people all upset.
texanwitch
(18,705 posts)It was easy to shut down Boston.
It did bother me to see the police going into people's houses.
It must have been scary for the people in the houses.
We will never the truth about this.
90-percent
(6,828 posts)We American's gleefully allowed many of our Constitutional Rights to be diminished or nullified completely after 9/11.
We were happy to do so, to allow our government to protect us from terrorists.
My question is, simply, how many more rights do we have to give away so our government can do it's stated job and "keep us safe"? What other Constitutional rights should have been sacrificed to prevent the Boston Tragedy?
Another question about the magnitude of the Boston Bombing; why is there much less media concern with the Texas explosion that killed at least 14 and rendered up to 60 others "missing"? In terms of magnitude, the Texas disaster perhaps caused 500% more human loss and misery than the Boston tragedy.
Why do Americans find certain types of death perfectly acceptable, but are totally horrified by acts of terrorism?
Terrorism is horrible and unjustified and should be eliminated from the planet, of course, but an American's chance of being a terrorist victim is perhaps the same as being hit by lightning and a meteor simultaneously, in terms of probabilities.
And the root cause of the Texas disaster seems to be lack of enforcement of existing regulations, and industries allowed "to regulate themselves". Should we not, as Americans concerned about the general well being, be completely up in arms and fighting every day for stronger enforcement of regulations as they apply to dangerous industries?
Judging by the recent gun debate, apparently not!
-90% Jimmy
PS - I am being facetious about the loss of rights after 9-11. I deeply resent my government diminishing my rights in the name of "fighting terra-ists". The dilution of our rights has more to do with growing corpora-fascism than it does with protecting us citizens, in my opinion
Dalai_1
(1,301 posts)byeya
(2,842 posts)official(s) responsible for the worst industrial "accident" of the century back to India for trial.
Business as usual$$$$$
bhikkhu
(10,708 posts)have the credibility to turn them in as terrorists here? No fly list, surveillance, etc?
I don't think anyone knows much at this point about what went on before, but it does raise some questions either way. I still assume, not knowing much, that the FBI knows much more and based their decision on what was reasonable at the time.
If they erred on the side of "liberty" and hoped for the best, as the guy seemed to have a pretty ok life going in many ways, that's probably what we would want to see in most cases.
90-percent
(6,828 posts)We as a country were up in arms about mandating background checks for the purchase of a gun.
In fact, 90% of Americans, 80% of Republicans, and 70% of the NRA membership were in favor of background checks! (% is from memory and approximate)
90% agreement. You can't even get 90% of any population to agree that the sky is blue or water is wet, fer chrissakes!
To defy such a gorilla in the room mandate by our Senate utterly confirms that:
OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE INFESTED WITH CORRUPT SOCIOPATHS!*
-90% Jimmy
*this is my current self made bumper sticker plastered square in the middle of my Ranger tailgate
RILib
(862 posts)a major city area gets shutdown for one day to avoid harm and let the police have a clear field to catch a lunatic lobbing explosives around. That's your idea of an assault on the Constitution?
octothorpe
(962 posts)as some seem to be talking about. As in, he's asking if you're willing to submit yourself to 24/7 surveillance because someone suspects you of being up to no good.
90-percent
(6,828 posts)My concerns about Constitutional erosion are entirely based on what steps our government took in the immediate aftermath of 9-11-2001. Such as the Constitution shredding PATRIOT ACT that became the law of the land within about 30 days after 9-11. I feel much of the actions taken by the GW Bush administration post 9-11 were acts of sedition and treason, especially invading Iraq on a rational of deliberate lies, and the tortures sanctioned by the White House.
I was not in any way expressing any opinion about the actions of Boston area law enforcement efforts of the past week. I know little about it, but I agree with Will Pitt's post on the subject:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022713665
My point is that Americans concurred with our loss of Constitutional Rights in the name of fighting terrorism. We suffered another act of terrorism last Monday, so how many more rights does our government need to take away to prevent the next terrorist attack? Last Monday proves they still need to take more away to make America 100% terrorism-free.
GWB and Co. dishonored many principals our country was based on in the name of fighting terrorism and we still suffer terrorist attacks. Perhaps we as a people were not well served by going "to the dark side" and employing the tactics terrorists and totalitarian states regularly employ?
"I'm an American and my country tortures the enemy" I don't feel any pride in saying that, but it happens to be the truth. 9-11 changed everything, including the principals Americans used to be so proud to stand for.
-90% Jimmy
thesquanderer
(11,954 posts)It's tricky. We complain when the government is too intrusive, too unconcerned with our privacy and civil liberties. Now we're going to complain that they don't continue to keep tabs on people they have investigated and feel have been cleared of suspicion?
WinniSkipper
(363 posts)JackN415
(924 posts)unobtrusively and impersonally the way Google, Amazon, and other business monitor customer activities. It should raise red flag when he went to Russia for 6 months, and should raise it again (if the algorithm is of any good) the moment the investigation started after the bombing.
FBI could not put 2 and 2 together before 9/11 despite so many clues.
With billions of $ research into computer science, and with advanced data mining algorithms developed for commerce in the last 10 years, it is fair to expect they have a better system than this.
-> Sexual assault in city A? -> check the database of all local sex offenders, or those just move into
-> Bomb in Boston? -> Check all leads of people with a tag living in Boston or MA in general. I think it would be a short list if they had properly entered the bomber's name.
I hold FBI accountable.
They should have done a better job, even if they could not prevent it, they should have follow the lead immediately afterward.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)WinniSkipper
(363 posts)monitoring him might have shown? His Russia visit did raise a flag - with Russia and they let the FBI know
Since you seem to be an expert - how exactly would this have worked? What Google- and Amazon-like techniques would have pointed him out 2 years later, on Monday April 15?
JackN415
(924 posts)provides Bayesian-based algorithm to pop up convicted persons of certain crime on a map. This is crime mapping is about.
If there is a sexual assault in a neighborhood, a person can enter the address, the perpetrator's modus operandi, other crime details and the software will scan:
1- convicted sex offenders within a chosen radius, such as 50 miles, the way you can find a McDonald within a radius of your current GPS location
2- compared modus operandi to sort according to probability most likely offenders: time of day, methods, approx size, weight, and of course, race
If Tsarnaev was in the data base tagged with a risk, Boston bombing should lead to a search of all local potential risks and they should have paid a visit of 410 Norfolk St, Cambridge just to have a talk and check it out.
WinniSkipper
(363 posts)would have had no effect - they are after the fact. And Tsarnev probably did pop up - notice how fast the report of the FBI was released.
What you are talking about is "Minority Report" worthy
JackN415
(924 posts)I have involved with initiative for Centers for Data Fusion (intelligence sharing) before.
http://www.iqt.org/
Have a good day. Will not reply your stuffs from now on.
WinniSkipper
(363 posts)I will continue to point out your ridiculous ideas.
So let's hear about this great experience you have. It's 10AM Monday morning. A lot of info is out there today about the bombers, same info that was there Monday morning.
How do you stop this?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)using them, for what?
TomClash
(11,344 posts)I don't want an FBI that routinely pisses on Patriots Day, reviling the freedoms fought for at Lexington and Concord. I would prefer an FBI that is circumspect in such matters.
Now if they had some political motive or other nefarious motive for not monitoring him . . .
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)...with either each other or foreign organization. In which they dismiss information so they can obtain it themselves and take credit. Or worse, allow the situation to escalate and later join private companies contracted with the government that participate in this escalation. Either way, this BS needs to stop!
valerief
(53,235 posts)If you want something tragic to happen, just pay this asshole enough to make it happen.
Mark my words. Something big will happen. If they wanted REAL protection, they wouldn't have hired that whore.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)We also have to ask: why, if they knew he was radicalized, did the Russians let him in? Interesting questions - worth pursuing.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And just because their political beliefs may be a little out of the mainstream doesn't mean they're planning a terrorist attack. And being an asshole is not a crime.
The FBI are cops - not clairvoyants.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)there is a move toward placing blame.
In retrospect the attitude is there should be 100% security against the event, when the reality is that as resources are sought to work the problem we don't want to pay for or experience life under 100% security.
bluemarkers
(536 posts)Do we throw every Iranian out because we have a beef with their government? well, the rwnj would say yes to that.
imho: The bombs, so crude the brothers were still in the area when they went off (it's like they had no idea what the bombs were capable of doing) , and they were clearly caught on multiple cameras. They knocked over a 7-11 for pete's sake. I could be totally wrong, but I wonder if he may have had brain injuries from boxing. (?) I have the feeling that while the older brother may have talked some additional family members into supporting him, it was very recently. The whole thing feels more like the guy had a chip on his shoulder and he was settling the score. It seems like staying put indicates a lack of support from an organized terrorist group. (they had no where to go) or maybe when he went back to his homeland, he was encouraged to do something destructive. Just speculation on my part. Facebook speculation by my rwnj friends indicates they want everyone with dark skin and sunny names kicked out. Starting with President Obama.
otoh, we've had several "home grown" massacres - but since they used legally purchased guns - we (as a nation, not personally) don't worry about them. weird, huh?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Many of them are either secular or regard the Muslim religion much the same as most Christians regard Christianity -- as a source of moral teaching not to be taken too seriously.
On the other hand, we should not admit former members of the Mojahedin-e-Khalq, who the CIA have used for special operations inside of Iran. Many are likely to hold grudges related to insufficient support or betrayal.
bluemarkers
(536 posts)Was using Iran as example. At this point, could use religion as well. Lets throw out all Muslims!
or even: The French too! or Throw out all brown eyed people!
There is a lot of information and detail that the FBI/CIA (big government) needs to sift through before determinations of terrorist can be made)
Not realizing they would be photographed many times. Harming people with doctors right on the spot and within a mile of the best hospitals in the world.
I suspect they thought they'd never get caught.
By the way, every pressure cooker I've ever met is a large bulky thing that wouldn't fit in a backpack and weighs a ton. I see they make them out of aluminum now, though.
marble falls
(56,358 posts)and until Monday neither he nor his brother raised flags.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Someone who praises terrorists is no joke. They should've kept a very close eye on him IMO.
marble falls
(56,358 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And they should use it.
marble falls
(56,358 posts)Taliban in light of US abuses in Afghanistan. And I'm a Lutheran Navy vet Republican. I am not happy with a Patriot Act/Homeland Security imprisoned US. I don't want a Gitmoized US.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)They should've monitored him like hawks! We are not talking about monitoring random, inocent individuals here.
RILib
(862 posts)Everyone they don't like is a bad guy.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Oops.
WinniSkipper
(363 posts)I haven't read anything indicating that.
If they were monitoring him (in one form or the other) and people are upset it didn't flag this guy - that would indicate we need to put people like him (and I would guess there are tens of thousands of young men who might fit a similar profile) under even more scrutiny. Isn;t that exactly the slippery slope we all fear? Is it possible that this attack just wasn't preventable?
onenote
(42,375 posts)If it was before early 2011, then you have a point. But if it was after he was cleared by the FBI you're suggesting that anyone who the FBI is ever asked to check out should remain a subject of monitoring perpetually even after they're cleared. That not only seems an unwarranted intrusion into civil liberties but a huge drain on resources.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)If you wanted all offensive youtube channels investigated you would be there forever. Look at all the right wing extremist comments on the internet. Not all of these people are violent, some are just venting and blathering. Do you want everyone's internet and personal activity monitored 24/7 and cameras everywhere? Big brother on 10 or living with the knowledge that living in a free society may allow some freaks to do bad things now and then.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)If they hadn't cleared him so quickly and continued to monitor him, maybe this wouldn't have happened.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)they could have been monitoring him as much as was necessary.
After the bombing IMO they knew who these perps were well before they released the photos. They would not be that hard to identify.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Not that long ago, is it. Don't tell me they couldn't have checked up on him at least once in a while.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Remember, he already had alegations of terrorism against him. That's a big fuking deal and shouldn't have forgot about him so quickly.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We know the Russians asked about him. Not that the Russians alleged terrorism against them.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)They suspected him of terrorism.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I think we don't have an extradition treaty with the Russians, but still, wouldn't they try harder to get him, resulting in more looking into it?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)He was a permanent resident here in the US, so it was up to the US gov to investigate.
treestar
(82,383 posts)As investigators considered possible motives for Monday's fatal bombings, U.S. authorities acknowledged that an unnamed government had contacted the FBI to say the 26-year-old ethnic Chechen had changed drastically since 2010 and was preparing to leave the United States to join unspecified underground groups, according to an official statement from the FBI.
U.S. officials have not named the foreign nation, but it is presumed to be Russia. Tsarnaev traveled there in 2012 and stayed for six months.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombing-suspect-radical-fbi-20130420,0,4983624,full.story
That is not terrorism already committed. They did investigate. Predicting the behavior of other humans is not an exact science for which we should expect 100% success rate.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)They have some explaining to do.
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)Why hasn't the Business Insider insisted that the FBI have adequate staff in order to monitor the tens of thousands of potential threats that come in every week? And, why haven't they offered to pay for those extra agents?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It's obvious radical extremists do exist and they need to freaking monitor them before its too late! Not all crazy talk is just crazy talk, this is obvious. Dammit!
treestar
(82,383 posts)Quit blaming people other than the perpetrators. No one can predict the behavior of another, not even the FBI. Don't help the freepers with this one.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Ok, it was secret service, but it's the same thing. They just downplay a lot of threats and signals which they shouldn't ignore. Obviously they don't have to go and arrest someone just based on that, but they could at least keep a vigilent eye on them. They obviously "cleared" this beast and forgot about him. Yah, I know, work is hard.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Especially trying to figure out who is going to commit a terrorist act. They could not have arrested or detained Tamerlan at the time as he had done nothing wrong. There were many others the same, and it is not easy to pick out who is going to do what and in fact, it's downright impossible. At the time they talked to him, he may have had no idea himself he was going to do such a thing.
It is downright unreasonable to blame anyone but Tamerlan for what he did.
Two of the 911 hijackers were on the terrorist watch list, and that was not enough to stop 911.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Whatever's going on, we're here for you.
The underground of the underground.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)who now run the country
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)tracked someone they found no evidence to connect to any crime or extremism.
In fact, maybe Congress could get around to passing a law that when someone is identified as a suspicious, but cleared, they should be tracked indefinitely.
Let's get Lindsey Graham and Rand Paul on the case right now.
The FBI should release the details of the interview and the extent of the inquiry, but I find it fascinating that people who have been screaming about eroding civil liberties want the government to simply target someone because it was suggested that the person might be suspicious, and then go further and track the person after he was cleared.
It would be one thing if they found a connection, but that evidently did not happen.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)That didn't ring any bells did it? I'm sorry but FBI wasn't tipped by some anonymous person, they were tipped by a foreign entity, most likely the Russian gov. I would take such tip very seriously.
Sudden about face I bet from many on this.
Wonder why that is?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Any allegation, from any source is sufficient to put you on a list, from which you cannot be removed? ARE YOU KIDDING?
Ted Kennedy was harassed every time he flew, because some political hack decided to put him on the Do Not Fly list, from which there is no removal.
IF there is a foreign country, worried about what an emigrant may say here in the Colonies, what better way to silence them by telling our FBI (especially in these paranoid times) that they have terrorist ties.
What you propose is unthinkable. Irrational. Scary as all hell.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Proof is his YouTube channel. Lol but ok. Let's ignore that brainwashed, radical nutjobs exist. Who needs FBI right?
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)an uncle who was concerned about his extremist views. DO you forget about the underwear bomber's relatives who were persistently ignored when they tried to sound the alarm?
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)they are just going to ignore this guy because the Russians said to pay attention to him?
What crap.
This story stinks to heaven.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)First headline I saw this morning on yahoo was how Glenn Beck demands the government come clean about the Benghazi link to the bombers. Second is this. Yay! Let's join them in condemning the government. With any luck we can feed this fire of paranoia all the way to impeachment or better yet revolution.
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)OMG there is no limit to his idiocy.
B2G
(9,766 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Or bring the limbs back to those who lost em. Or erase what happened out of our memory. I will never forget the photo of the young man holding whatever was left out of his leg, which was mostly only the bone.
Yes, we will move on with our lives, but we will never forget.
randome
(34,845 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)something doesn't sit right here
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Or at least saw right wing homegrown as more serious -
Janet Napolitano released a report identifying right-wing extremists as posing a terror threat to the United States.
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20120810-domestic-terrorism-by-members-of-extremist-groups-a-serious-threat-fbi
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)by many on the right and then promptly shelved.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and charged with domestic terrorism.
According to their mother, who is in Russia, the FBI was 'working with my son' for 5 years and 'knew everything he was doing'. She talked about him discovering religion and being 'counseled' by the FBI regarding radical Islam, which she says, her sons did not like. She believes they were 'set up'. She is the mother, so take it with a grain of salt, re the 'set up' part, but this was her statement.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)In spite of a federal law, they rarely investigate when clinics and doctors are threatened.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)LisaL
(44,962 posts)ecstatic
(32,566 posts)Right or wrong, how seriously would the police take him? Likewise, if there was prior US involvement protecting the Tsarnaeva family from the Russian government, then the FBI officials would have likely been biased when responding to Russia's request for info.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Pisces
(5,592 posts)see why they didn't pinpoint Tamerlan. This was a quick operation. They had the pics of the guys the within 2 days.
I think we would be scared shitless if we knew how many people had radical ties, foreign and domestic.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I think the FBI had them in their sights on Tuesday but waited for the right moment to release the pix. They knew that he had gone to the car mechanic and also to class on Wednesday.
As far as preventing the bombing, I'm sure they will be asking the same question.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)and you should admit that terror attacks are useful for certain factions in the govt
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.
Tsarnaev hadnt been to Allans Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in years, instead going to another nearby boxing gym.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/19/relatives-marathon-bombing-suspects-worried-that-older-brother-was-corrupting-sweet-younger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html
Or did Brendan Mess sell pot to Dzhokhar, and Tamarlan become outraged about it after he became religious?
Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_mafia
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)"Chechen criminal groups and guerrilla factions reportedly play a significant part in the narcotics trade in Central Asia, Russia and the Caucasus region."
progressoid
(49,825 posts)BluegrassDem
(1,693 posts)Just another case of white privilege. If they were Arab, the feds would've monitored their every move.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)former9thward
(31,802 posts)The older brother was gone from the U.S. more than six continuous months last year. Any absence from the county of more than six months by green card holders is supposed to raise a red flag for immigration officers. On his return they should have investigated where he was and what he was doing.
applegrove
(118,020 posts)asked for more details from Russia, and didn't get any.
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)...the FBI has insufficient manpower to monitor every last one of the hundreds of thousands of potential threats they get every year--on top of the hundreds of thousands of domestic crimes, such as murder, kidnapping, bank robberies, drug-related crime, cyber crime, and white collar crimes that they must handle. Bunch of fucking "small government" hypocrites.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)One little lone possible terrorist fella only threatens those expendable 99% little folks.
roamer65
(36,739 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)extended trips home (to an area wellknown to terror attacks) beyond what is required by persons with visa.
Close family members immigrant deported? his Mother for the shoplifting.
A domestic violence problem causing derail of the older brothers USA citizenship process. Along with his 'dream' of going pro with his sport.
Becoming obsessed with religion & the religions 'rules' and the youtube/facebook comments.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)older brother posting radical Islam and jihad stuff on You-tube too.
The FBI missed a lot, and this may just be the tip of the iceberg.