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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:36 AM Apr 2013

The FBI Needs To Explain Why It Failed To Monitor Boston Bombing Suspect Despite A Clear Warning

By the FBI's own admission, the FBI was warned about Tsarnaev in 2011 by a foreign government (presumably Russia).

The foreign government told the FBI that Tsarnaev had become "a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer and that he had changed drastically ... as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country's region to join unspecificied underground groups."

...

Namely:
- Given the explicit warning, why didn't the FBI continue to monitor Tsarnaev?
- Why didn't the FBI follow up with the foreign government when it didn't get the additional information it requested?
- How common is a warning from a foreign government about a specific person like this? Does the FBI get thousands of them?
- What made the FBI effectively clear Tsarnaev — and what might the FBI change to avoid making this mistake again?
- Will the FBI conduct a full investigation into what happened?


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-warned-about-boston-bombing-suspect-2013-4

Also -- was the Tsarnaeva family involved with CIA sponsored activities in the Caucasus to destabilize the Soviet Union and Russia?
Is that why they were granted political asylum?
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The FBI Needs To Explain Why It Failed To Monitor Boston Bombing Suspect Despite A Clear Warning (Original Post) FarCenter Apr 2013 OP
FBI should bear some accountabilty on this matter... JackN415 Apr 2013 #1
they have an atrocious record, and I don't trust them at all in this regard NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #95
also, Obama needs to get out in front of this and not cover it up NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #96
Add to that: geek tragedy Apr 2013 #2
what was the nature of his domestic violence arrest? onenote Apr 2013 #14
Unclear whether he was convicted, but clearly he was arrested FarCenter Apr 2013 #22
enough to deny citizenship but not enough to result in deportation onenote Apr 2013 #34
Without a conviction, probably not. Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #49
The father said he had to pay $250 on the charge. dkf Apr 2013 #89
Facebook and the wingnut bubble are abuzz with "blame Obama" crap today. Snarkoleptic Apr 2013 #84
And how did the family get into the US when so few Chechens do? starroute Apr 2013 #68
Makes one wonder...doesn't it? roamer65 Apr 2013 #124
The mother of the suspects says the FBI has been monitoring them for 5 years davidn3600 Apr 2013 #3
The mother has a few screws loose, seems like to me. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #5
Several family members have a few screws loose RILib Apr 2013 #10
"lightly hitting".....Tamarlan was a BOXER...havent people who box been charged w/ assault with a Pachamama Apr 2013 #61
Here's uncle Ruslans account. dkf Apr 2013 #91
lol, it only seemed like 2 days. It was less than 24 hours... magical thyme Apr 2013 #69
She does. She was busted in the US last year for shoplifting. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #57
These guys were no extreme Islamist jihadists rocktivity Apr 2013 #33
I don't know why people are dismissing what she said about this. reformist2 Apr 2013 #73
Because the "whacko relative" meme comforts them. Myrina Apr 2013 #76
Maybe a Russian "spy" was following them around, but ecstatic Apr 2013 #79
That came from an inquiry from Russia saying they had info he was connected to radical groups. dkf Apr 2013 #90
where did you get that info? What I read was they found he posted radical video clips on his Russian KittyWampus Apr 2013 #98
i assume there is more to this than meets the eye. tomp Apr 2013 #4
"And just like for 9/11, there were warnings." Where did you hear that? emulatorloo Apr 2013 #6
There are reports that the FBI interviewed Tamerlan in 2011 davidn3600 Apr 2013 #8
Report is that the interviewed him on request of foreign entity and found emulatorloo Apr 2013 #37
2011 is not so long ago. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #50
seriously? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #97
Of course there were warnings before 9/11. My question was re warnings emulatorloo Apr 2013 #101
"look how easy it was to shut down a major u.s. city..." cheapdate Apr 2013 #31
Nothing wrong with your thinking. texanwitch Apr 2013 #108
Our withering Constitutional Rights 90-percent Apr 2013 #7
Kick &R n/t Dalai_1 Apr 2013 #12
+1 leveymg Apr 2013 #20
I think I recall correctly that the USA refused to honor a legal request to send the Union Carbide byeya Apr 2013 #29
True. If they had been given asylum already, should the government they fled... bhikkhu Apr 2013 #30
To be fair to the aforementioned Americans concerned about the general well being 90-percent Apr 2013 #62
lack of proportion RILib Apr 2013 #83
I interpreted his post as referring to the guy being watched 24/7 by the FBI octothorpe Apr 2013 #85
for posts 83 and 85 90-percent Apr 2013 #86
Damned if you do, damned if you don't thesquanderer Apr 2013 #9
Thank you. nt WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #52
Not really. You can put him on the data base with algorithm monitoring him... JackN415 Apr 2013 #59
+1 darkangel218 Apr 2013 #67
What do you think WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #126
Many existing LE software... JackN415 Apr 2013 #127
What your bullets 1 and 2 point out WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #128
Totally disagree with you and I'll leave at it. You watched too much movies. JackN415 Apr 2013 #129
I don't care if you reply WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #130
I don't like the idea AT ALL, CIA/ FBI? can grab ahold of visaed persons and start Sunlei Apr 2013 #11
Thank you, no. TomClash Apr 2013 #13
It's some sort of rivalry grudge that the FBI, CIA and other federal policing organizations have.... Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #15
Just wait for what happens at the Olympics in 2016 with Giuliani's firm "protecting" Rio. valerief Apr 2013 #16
Beginning to look like yet another case of blowback. Why am I not surprised? leveymg Apr 2013 #17
Over the last 3 yrs the FBI has interviewed tens of thousands of people. baldguy Apr 2013 #18
Yes, I think that's right. But when bad things happen HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #28
great points bluemarkers Apr 2013 #41
Most Iranians in the US oppose the current Iranian government FarCenter Apr 2013 #46
agreed bluemarkers Apr 2013 #54
stupid RILib Apr 2013 #87
For the sake of accuracy, the FBI was asked to look into one of the suspects. They found nothing.... marble falls Apr 2013 #19
What about the youtube account? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #25
Jeez. Free speech needs to be monitored. How many trillion youtube accounts are there, anyway? marble falls Apr 2013 #27
They have software to find the radical extremist talk. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #32
How do you feel about having your life monitored by software? I have a lot of sympathy for the ... marble falls Apr 2013 #36
Oh please!! they had a lead on him already from the Russian gov. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #40
yes, because the Russians are such freedom loving people RILib Apr 2013 #88
I bet that was the attitude with which FBI investigated the guy. LisaL Apr 2013 #104
Do you have any indication it wasn't used? WinniSkipper Apr 2013 #132
Timeline question: when did he start posting on YouTube onenote Apr 2013 #42
Do you realize how many idiots there are on youtube? Jennicut Apr 2013 #48
Like i.said before, they had already a lead on him. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #51
You have no idea marions ghost Apr 2013 #102
the youtube account is only 7 months old. get your facts straight. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #58
Yah, and how long ago is 2011?? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #60
do they check up on you once in a while? MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #63
Why should they? Am i accused of terrorism by a foreign entity? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #65
I don't think we know that treestar Apr 2013 #115
They actually did. there was an OP with the details of what the Russians said. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #117
Then why did they not follow up more? treestar Apr 2013 #119
I dont think they had concrete evidence, they just suspected him. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #120
Here is what they had treestar Apr 2013 #121
Why didn't Business Insider demand that the FBI monitor the suspect before this tragedy? wtmusic Apr 2013 #21
And, may I add...? GoCubsGo Apr 2013 #111
FBI need to get their shit together already. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #23
They checked him out but found nothing wrong treestar Apr 2013 #24
Yah, just like they dismissed Uncle Ted's threats. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #38
Nothing is perfect treestar Apr 2013 #39
A cordial reply. NYC_SKP May 2013 #133
They're afraid of pissing off Hate Radio and Fox "News" Doctor_J Apr 2013 #26
Right, because we know how protective Hate Radio is of Muslims emulatorloo Apr 2013 #45
Yup, they should have ProSense Apr 2013 #35
How about him spending 6 months overseas? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #44
+1 treestar Apr 2013 #118
NO, THEY DON'T ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #43
This. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #47
FBI didnt even monitor him for a year. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #53
But he unlike Kennedy wasn't put on a list. The person that notified Russian authorities was snagglepuss Apr 2013 #100
bullshit-- considering how much the FBI monitors mosques and terrorist losers NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #109
Right wingers rejoice abelenkpe Apr 2013 #55
A lot of DU'ers appear to have a Glenn Beck/Alex Jones mindset. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #66
Did Glenn Beck Really say that? treestar Apr 2013 #114
Their mother was arrested for shoplifting last year as well B2G Apr 2013 #56
Nobody or anything will bring life back to the 3 young inocent people who were killed. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #64
Four innocent people killed, including the Transit Officer. randome Apr 2013 #99
There seems to be something missing Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #70
They may have seen homegrown as right wing only. Zax2me Apr 2013 #71
Except that report was shouted down CJCRANE Apr 2013 #77
Too bad they didn't belong to Occupy Wall St, they would have been arrested and detained sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #72
Not surprised. The FBI has really dropped the ball with the violent ant-choicers. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #74
My guess is that the FBI was *still* monitoring him, but they just didn't have anything on him yet. reformist2 Apr 2013 #75
No, FBI decided he was no threat after investigating him in 2011, and stopped monitoring him. LisaL Apr 2013 #107
Imagine if an abusive ex-husband called the police regarding alleged activities of his ex-wife... ecstatic Apr 2013 #78
Thats a good point. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #125
The FBI has thousands of people they monitor for possible radicalization. I don't find it hard to Pisces Apr 2013 #80
I thought it was quick too (helped by the bombers mistakes)-- marions ghost Apr 2013 #103
unless there was a deeper agenda here NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #110
Were drugs the source of their money? FarCenter Apr 2013 #81
i wondered about the drugs (& cars) angles too. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #92
We need to expand the FBI, NSA, HSA, INR and the OPP !!11!! progressoid Apr 2013 #82
Cause they were white...pure and simple. BluegrassDem Apr 2013 #93
20/20 hindsight bullshit. wtmusic Apr 2013 #94
Immigration should answer for their role also. former9thward Apr 2013 #105
My understanding is that the FBI investigated, applegrove Apr 2013 #106
The Business Insider needs to explain why... GoCubsGo Apr 2013 #112
k&r avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #113
They were too busy monitoring Occupy, the most serious threat to the 1%. Zorra Apr 2013 #116
Can't argue with you on this point roamer65 Apr 2013 #123
yes, surprised the FBI missed so many 'flags' on someone already in their system. Sunlei Apr 2013 #122
Older brother's raged rant at his Muslim temple and avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #131
 

JackN415

(924 posts)
1. FBI should bear some accountabilty on this matter...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:16 AM
Apr 2013

The way FBI "checked out" the Tsarnaev for terrorism activities might be to interview him and ask: "Hi, we are the FBI, do you currently have or do you intend to have any terrorism activities?"
"Oh, you don't?"
"OK, bye. This is our card, whenever you think of engaging in terrorism, give us a call, will ya?"
"Thanks."

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
95. they have an atrocious record, and I don't trust them at all in this regard
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:44 PM
Apr 2013

sickening-- and they absolutely need to be held accountable

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
96. also, Obama needs to get out in front of this and not cover it up
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:08 PM
Apr 2013

otherwise, it'll really bite him in the ass, and lead to a lot more distrust.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. Add to that:
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:24 AM
Apr 2013

1). Why didn't they look this guy up immediately after the bombing;

2). He committed domestic violence--why wasn't he deported?

3). Why didn't his travels raise red flags?

onenote

(42,375 posts)
14. what was the nature of his domestic violence arrest?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:58 AM
Apr 2013

When did it happen and was he convicted? I'm asking because we obviously don't deport every non-citizen that is charged with domestic violence.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
22. Unclear whether he was convicted, but clearly he was arrested
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:18 AM
Apr 2013
And in 2009, Tamerlan, then 22, was arrested for domestic assault and battery after allegedly assaulting his girlfriend, according to Cambridge Police records cited by the website spotcrime.com.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html

It was enough for INS to deny him citizenship.

Edit:
The newspaper also reported that Tsarnaev was arrested in 2009 and charged with domestic assault and battery after allegedly assaulting his girlfriend, according to Spotcrime.com, an online source of crime information.

Stephanie Guyotte, a spokeswoman for the Middlesex County, Massachusetts, District Attorney, told Bloomberg News that Tsarnaev was arrested on the charge but said he wasn't convicted.


http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_23065357/boston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaevs-mother-law-sickened

onenote

(42,375 posts)
34. enough to deny citizenship but not enough to result in deportation
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:42 AM
Apr 2013

I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised that this is not that an unusual result. Or, to put in another way, does anyone know whether an arrest for a domestic violence offense typically results in deportation?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
49. Without a conviction, probably not.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:59 AM
Apr 2013

He wasn't convicted of the charge.

He had a daughter at that point. The mother might have been motivated to drop charges in hopes of future support. Obviously none of us knows, but if he wasn't believed to be a danger to the public it's not clear why they would want to deport him. I believe he was a legal resident, and that he was in school at the time.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
89. The father said he had to pay $250 on the charge.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

I wonder if he pled guilty to a lesser offense?

Snarkoleptic

(5,995 posts)
84. Facebook and the wingnut bubble are abuzz with "blame Obama" crap today.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

The only ones that source anything point back to an anonymous source that reports a conviction to (RW) Judicial watch.
Wingnut heads are exploding and they're demanding a congressional investigation based on anonymous reporting.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence arrest and conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source. That means the Obama administration missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev but evidently didn’t feel he represented a big enough threat.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/04/boston-bomber-could-have-been-deported-after-2009-conviction/

Meanwhile in the reality-based community...

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was arrested in 2009 on an assault and battery charge and wasn’t convicted, according to Stephanie Guyotte, a spokeswoman for the Middlesex County, Massachusetts, District Attorney. Additional details weren’t available today because the courthouse was closed, she said.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/brothers-suspected-in-boston-bombing-straddled-cultures.html

starroute

(12,977 posts)
68. And how did the family get into the US when so few Chechens do?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:30 AM
Apr 2013

If there are fewer than 200 Chechen immigrants in the US, and 70% of them are women, that means the extended Tsaraev family would account for some four or five out of a total of maybe sixty Chechen men. It also sounds as though the family didn't have any 3-5 year wait for visas, or any problem getting green cards. That suggests there was some sort of pull involved -- and also that the FBI was probably well aware of who these people were.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/chechens-immigrants-us-population/2097065/

There are probably fewer than about 200 Chechen immigrants in the United States, and most of them are settled in the Boston area, as many U.S. cities have refused to accept asylum applicants from the war-torn area of southern Russia, says Glen Howard, president of the Jamestown Foundation.

About 70% of the Chechen immigrants are women, Howard says. Very few men are granted asylum because of U.S. anti-terrorism policies and because Russia often protests when ethnic Chechens try to settle in the U.S., he said. The U.S. admitted only 197 refugees from all of Russia in 2012. . . .

"This family is a very rare episode. Very few make it here, even fewer get green cards," Howard said. The Jamestown Foundation has testified on behalf of several ethnic Chechens who have applied for asylum in the United States, which is typically a three- to five-year process.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
3. The mother of the suspects says the FBI has been monitoring them for 5 years
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:31 AM
Apr 2013

It's odd. Especially since Chechens have no political reason to attack the United States.

There is a piece missing to this story.

I don't expect the government to ever tell us the truth though.

 

RILib

(862 posts)
10. Several family members have a few screws loose
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:53 AM
Apr 2013

like the father who thinks "lightly hitting" the girl friend is no reason to toss the son out of the citizenship queue.

Unfortunately a lot of resident aliens are still here despite committing crimes. I would toss all those people out.

As to the FBI, we don't know what they did. I saw one thing that said they checked him out thoroughly and found nothing. I don't think we're going to follow around everyone Russia doesn't like.

As to shutting down a city (for what, two days), good for Bostonians for helping catch the guy and having enough sense to stay out of harm's way.

Pachamama

(16,874 posts)
61. "lightly hitting".....Tamarlan was a BOXER...havent people who box been charged w/ assault with a
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:20 AM
Apr 2013

....deadly weapon when assaulting someone?????

There is a lot wrong here...so many red-flags....

Sounds to me like Uncle Ruslan in MD had some reasons he noticed a long time ago to decide not to have anything to do with this part of the family...

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
69. lol, it only seemed like 2 days. It was less than 24 hours...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:31 AM
Apr 2013

They shut the city down early Friday morning. By Friday late afternoon/early evening they re-opened and within a couple hours had him.

To me, it made total sense. Shut the city down not only to prevent mayhem, but to make it easier to flush him out and spot him if he tried to flee.

And when that failed, re-open and let the citizens see if they noticed anything different in their environ. And one, clearly, did.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
73. I don't know why people are dismissing what she said about this.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
Apr 2013

Note that we heard her say this before the FBI admitted they had interviewed Tamerlane at all.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
76. Because the "whacko relative" meme comforts them.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:01 AM
Apr 2013

She must be nuts - can't possibly be telling the truth that there's more going on here than the rest of us know.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
90. That came from an inquiry from Russia saying they had info he was connected to radical groups.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:53 PM
Apr 2013
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
98. where did you get that info? What I read was they found he posted radical video clips on his Russian
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:11 PM
Apr 2013

social media page.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
4. i assume there is more to this than meets the eye.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:40 AM
Apr 2013

i assume we will never know the real truth because our government doesn't tell us what we need to know to arrive at reasonable opinions.

Pardon my conspiratorial mind, but there is something fishy about the whole affair. At the very least, look how easy it was to shut down a major u.s. city ( to say it was voluntary begs the question, i.e., how would it be seen to refuse the police's request under the circumstances). Imagine if two guys in every major city in the u.s. did the same thing on the same day, which obviously would not be hard to do. What then? And just like for 9/11, there were warnings.

but america is now saying, "we got' em! hooray!" we got shit.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
6. "And just like for 9/11, there were warnings." Where did you hear that?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:44 AM
Apr 2013

I pretty much heard the opposite on MSNBC.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
8. There are reports that the FBI interviewed Tamerlan in 2011
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:49 AM
Apr 2013

Our government knew about these two for awhile.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
37. Report is that the interviewed him on request of foreign entity and found
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:43 AM
Apr 2013

No " derogatory" information so closed the file.

They didn't find anything. My hunch is that he didn't go all wacky until later.

This article suggests he was still all about being a boxer then:

http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/9189603/2013-boston-marathon-shooting-dead-suspect-had-boxing-aspirations

Talking about the part where Edwin Rodriguez says he sparred with him 2 years ago.

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
97. seriously?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:09 PM
Apr 2013

there were so many warnings pre-9/11, it is sick. Just one of many reasons it's hard to trust the official story.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
31. "look how easy it was to shut down a major u.s. city..."
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:33 AM
Apr 2013

Yes, all you have to do is detonate a series of bombs in the middle of a crowded, public gathering. For some reason that seems to get people all upset.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
108. Nothing wrong with your thinking.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:41 AM
Apr 2013

It was easy to shut down Boston.

It did bother me to see the police going into people's houses.

It must have been scary for the people in the houses.

We will never the truth about this.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
7. Our withering Constitutional Rights
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:47 AM
Apr 2013

We American's gleefully allowed many of our Constitutional Rights to be diminished or nullified completely after 9/11.

We were happy to do so, to allow our government to protect us from terrorists.

My question is, simply, how many more rights do we have to give away so our government can do it's stated job and "keep us safe"? What other Constitutional rights should have been sacrificed to prevent the Boston Tragedy?

Another question about the magnitude of the Boston Bombing; why is there much less media concern with the Texas explosion that killed at least 14 and rendered up to 60 others "missing"? In terms of magnitude, the Texas disaster perhaps caused 500% more human loss and misery than the Boston tragedy.

Why do Americans find certain types of death perfectly acceptable, but are totally horrified by acts of terrorism?

Terrorism is horrible and unjustified and should be eliminated from the planet, of course, but an American's chance of being a terrorist victim is perhaps the same as being hit by lightning and a meteor simultaneously, in terms of probabilities.

And the root cause of the Texas disaster seems to be lack of enforcement of existing regulations, and industries allowed "to regulate themselves". Should we not, as Americans concerned about the general well being, be completely up in arms and fighting every day for stronger enforcement of regulations as they apply to dangerous industries?

Judging by the recent gun debate, apparently not!

-90% Jimmy

PS - I am being facetious about the loss of rights after 9-11. I deeply resent my government diminishing my rights in the name of "fighting terra-ists". The dilution of our rights has more to do with growing corpora-fascism than it does with protecting us citizens, in my opinion

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
29. I think I recall correctly that the USA refused to honor a legal request to send the Union Carbide
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:32 AM
Apr 2013

official(s) responsible for the worst industrial "accident" of the century back to India for trial.
Business as usual$$$$$

bhikkhu

(10,708 posts)
30. True. If they had been given asylum already, should the government they fled...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:33 AM
Apr 2013

have the credibility to turn them in as terrorists here? No fly list, surveillance, etc?

I don't think anyone knows much at this point about what went on before, but it does raise some questions either way. I still assume, not knowing much, that the FBI knows much more and based their decision on what was reasonable at the time.

If they erred on the side of "liberty" and hoped for the best, as the guy seemed to have a pretty ok life going in many ways, that's probably what we would want to see in most cases.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
62. To be fair to the aforementioned Americans concerned about the general well being
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:21 AM
Apr 2013

We as a country were up in arms about mandating background checks for the purchase of a gun.

In fact, 90% of Americans, 80% of Republicans, and 70% of the NRA membership were in favor of background checks! (% is from memory and approximate)

90% agreement. You can't even get 90% of any population to agree that the sky is blue or water is wet, fer chrissakes!

To defy such a gorilla in the room mandate by our Senate utterly confirms that:

OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE INFESTED WITH CORRUPT SOCIOPATHS!*

-90% Jimmy

*this is my current self made bumper sticker plastered square in the middle of my Ranger tailgate

 

RILib

(862 posts)
83. lack of proportion
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:09 PM
Apr 2013

a major city area gets shutdown for one day to avoid harm and let the police have a clear field to catch a lunatic lobbing explosives around. That's your idea of an assault on the Constitution?

octothorpe

(962 posts)
85. I interpreted his post as referring to the guy being watched 24/7 by the FBI
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013

as some seem to be talking about. As in, he's asking if you're willing to submit yourself to 24/7 surveillance because someone suspects you of being up to no good.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
86. for posts 83 and 85
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:54 PM
Apr 2013

My concerns about Constitutional erosion are entirely based on what steps our government took in the immediate aftermath of 9-11-2001. Such as the Constitution shredding PATRIOT ACT that became the law of the land within about 30 days after 9-11. I feel much of the actions taken by the GW Bush administration post 9-11 were acts of sedition and treason, especially invading Iraq on a rational of deliberate lies, and the tortures sanctioned by the White House.

I was not in any way expressing any opinion about the actions of Boston area law enforcement efforts of the past week. I know little about it, but I agree with Will Pitt's post on the subject:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022713665

My point is that Americans concurred with our loss of Constitutional Rights in the name of fighting terrorism. We suffered another act of terrorism last Monday, so how many more rights does our government need to take away to prevent the next terrorist attack? Last Monday proves they still need to take more away to make America 100% terrorism-free.

GWB and Co. dishonored many principals our country was based on in the name of fighting terrorism and we still suffer terrorist attacks. Perhaps we as a people were not well served by going "to the dark side" and employing the tactics terrorists and totalitarian states regularly employ?

"I'm an American and my country tortures the enemy" I don't feel any pride in saying that, but it happens to be the truth. 9-11 changed everything, including the principals Americans used to be so proud to stand for.

-90% Jimmy

thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
9. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:51 AM
Apr 2013

It's tricky. We complain when the government is too intrusive, too unconcerned with our privacy and civil liberties. Now we're going to complain that they don't continue to keep tabs on people they have investigated and feel have been cleared of suspicion?

 

JackN415

(924 posts)
59. Not really. You can put him on the data base with algorithm monitoring him...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:16 AM
Apr 2013

unobtrusively and impersonally the way Google, Amazon, and other business monitor customer activities. It should raise red flag when he went to Russia for 6 months, and should raise it again (if the algorithm is of any good) the moment the investigation started after the bombing.

FBI could not put 2 and 2 together before 9/11 despite so many clues.

With billions of $ research into computer science, and with advanced data mining algorithms developed for commerce in the last 10 years, it is fair to expect they have a better system than this.

-> Sexual assault in city A? -> check the database of all local sex offenders, or those just move into
-> Bomb in Boston? -> Check all leads of people with a tag living in Boston or MA in general. I think it would be a short list if they had properly entered the bomber's name.

I hold FBI accountable.

They should have done a better job, even if they could not prevent it, they should have follow the lead immediately afterward.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
126. What do you think
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:06 PM
Apr 2013

monitoring him might have shown? His Russia visit did raise a flag - with Russia and they let the FBI know

Since you seem to be an expert - how exactly would this have worked? What Google- and Amazon-like techniques would have pointed him out 2 years later, on Monday April 15?

 

JackN415

(924 posts)
127. Many existing LE software...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:25 PM
Apr 2013

provides Bayesian-based algorithm to pop up convicted persons of certain crime on a map. This is crime mapping is about.

If there is a sexual assault in a neighborhood, a person can enter the address, the perpetrator's modus operandi, other crime details and the software will scan:
1- convicted sex offenders within a chosen radius, such as 50 miles, the way you can find a McDonald within a radius of your current GPS location
2- compared modus operandi to sort according to probability most likely offenders: time of day, methods, approx size, weight, and of course, race

If Tsarnaev was in the data base tagged with a risk, Boston bombing should lead to a search of all local potential risks and they should have paid a visit of 410 Norfolk St, Cambridge just to have a talk and check it out.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
128. What your bullets 1 and 2 point out
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

would have had no effect - they are after the fact. And Tsarnev probably did pop up - notice how fast the report of the FBI was released.

What you are talking about is "Minority Report" worthy

 

JackN415

(924 posts)
129. Totally disagree with you and I'll leave at it. You watched too much movies.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

I have involved with initiative for Centers for Data Fusion (intelligence sharing) before.

http://www.iqt.org/

Have a good day. Will not reply your stuffs from now on.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
130. I don't care if you reply
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:07 PM
Apr 2013

I will continue to point out your ridiculous ideas.

So let's hear about this great experience you have. It's 10AM Monday morning. A lot of info is out there today about the bombers, same info that was there Monday morning.

How do you stop this?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. I don't like the idea AT ALL, CIA/ FBI? can grab ahold of visaed persons and start
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:53 AM
Apr 2013

using them, for what?

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
13. Thank you, no.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:57 AM
Apr 2013

I don't want an FBI that routinely pisses on Patriots Day, reviling the freedoms fought for at Lexington and Concord. I would prefer an FBI that is circumspect in such matters.

Now if they had some political motive or other nefarious motive for not monitoring him . . .

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
15. It's some sort of rivalry grudge that the FBI, CIA and other federal policing organizations have....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:58 AM
Apr 2013

...with either each other or foreign organization. In which they dismiss information so they can obtain it themselves and take credit. Or worse, allow the situation to escalate and later join private companies contracted with the government that participate in this escalation. Either way, this BS needs to stop!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
16. Just wait for what happens at the Olympics in 2016 with Giuliani's firm "protecting" Rio.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:08 AM
Apr 2013

If you want something tragic to happen, just pay this asshole enough to make it happen.

Mark my words. Something big will happen. If they wanted REAL protection, they wouldn't have hired that whore.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
17. Beginning to look like yet another case of blowback. Why am I not surprised?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:08 AM
Apr 2013

We also have to ask: why, if they knew he was radicalized, did the Russians let him in? Interesting questions - worth pursuing.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
18. Over the last 3 yrs the FBI has interviewed tens of thousands of people.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:08 AM
Apr 2013

And just because their political beliefs may be a little out of the mainstream doesn't mean they're planning a terrorist attack. And being an asshole is not a crime.

The FBI are cops - not clairvoyants.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
28. Yes, I think that's right. But when bad things happen
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:30 AM
Apr 2013

there is a move toward placing blame.

In retrospect the attitude is there should be 100% security against the event, when the reality is that as resources are sought to work the problem we don't want to pay for or experience life under 100% security.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
41. great points
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:48 AM
Apr 2013

Do we throw every Iranian out because we have a beef with their government? well, the rwnj would say yes to that.

imho: The bombs, so crude the brothers were still in the area when they went off (it's like they had no idea what the bombs were capable of doing) , and they were clearly caught on multiple cameras. They knocked over a 7-11 for pete's sake. I could be totally wrong, but I wonder if he may have had brain injuries from boxing. (?) I have the feeling that while the older brother may have talked some additional family members into supporting him, it was very recently. The whole thing feels more like the guy had a chip on his shoulder and he was settling the score. It seems like staying put indicates a lack of support from an organized terrorist group. (they had no where to go) or maybe when he went back to his homeland, he was encouraged to do something destructive. Just speculation on my part. Facebook speculation by my rwnj friends indicates they want everyone with dark skin and sunny names kicked out. Starting with President Obama.

otoh, we've had several "home grown" massacres - but since they used legally purchased guns - we (as a nation, not personally) don't worry about them. weird, huh?


 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
46. Most Iranians in the US oppose the current Iranian government
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:58 AM
Apr 2013

Many of them are either secular or regard the Muslim religion much the same as most Christians regard Christianity -- as a source of moral teaching not to be taken too seriously.

On the other hand, we should not admit former members of the Mojahedin-e-Khalq, who the CIA have used for special operations inside of Iran. Many are likely to hold grudges related to insufficient support or betrayal.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
54. agreed
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:06 AM
Apr 2013

Was using Iran as example. At this point, could use religion as well. Lets throw out all Muslims!

or even: The French too! or Throw out all brown eyed people!

There is a lot of information and detail that the FBI/CIA (big government) needs to sift through before determinations of terrorist can be made)

 

RILib

(862 posts)
87. stupid
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

Not realizing they would be photographed many times. Harming people with doctors right on the spot and within a mile of the best hospitals in the world.

I suspect they thought they'd never get caught.

By the way, every pressure cooker I've ever met is a large bulky thing that wouldn't fit in a backpack and weighs a ton. I see they make them out of aluminum now, though.

marble falls

(56,358 posts)
19. For the sake of accuracy, the FBI was asked to look into one of the suspects. They found nothing....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:09 AM
Apr 2013

and until Monday neither he nor his brother raised flags.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
25. What about the youtube account?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:24 AM
Apr 2013

Someone who praises terrorists is no joke. They should've kept a very close eye on him IMO.

marble falls

(56,358 posts)
36. How do you feel about having your life monitored by software? I have a lot of sympathy for the ...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:42 AM
Apr 2013

Taliban in light of US abuses in Afghanistan. And I'm a Lutheran Navy vet Republican. I am not happy with a Patriot Act/Homeland Security imprisoned US. I don't want a Gitmoized US.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
40. Oh please!! they had a lead on him already from the Russian gov.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:48 AM
Apr 2013

They should've monitored him like hawks! We are not talking about monitoring random, inocent individuals here.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
132. Do you have any indication it wasn't used?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:25 PM
Apr 2013

I haven't read anything indicating that.

If they were monitoring him (in one form or the other) and people are upset it didn't flag this guy - that would indicate we need to put people like him (and I would guess there are tens of thousands of young men who might fit a similar profile) under even more scrutiny. Isn;t that exactly the slippery slope we all fear? Is it possible that this attack just wasn't preventable?

onenote

(42,375 posts)
42. Timeline question: when did he start posting on YouTube
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:49 AM
Apr 2013

If it was before early 2011, then you have a point. But if it was after he was cleared by the FBI you're suggesting that anyone who the FBI is ever asked to check out should remain a subject of monitoring perpetually even after they're cleared. That not only seems an unwarranted intrusion into civil liberties but a huge drain on resources.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
48. Do you realize how many idiots there are on youtube?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:58 AM
Apr 2013

If you wanted all offensive youtube channels investigated you would be there forever. Look at all the right wing extremist comments on the internet. Not all of these people are violent, some are just venting and blathering. Do you want everyone's internet and personal activity monitored 24/7 and cameras everywhere? Big brother on 10 or living with the knowledge that living in a free society may allow some freaks to do bad things now and then.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
51. Like i.said before, they had already a lead on him.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:01 AM
Apr 2013

If they hadn't cleared him so quickly and continued to monitor him, maybe this wouldn't have happened.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
102. You have no idea
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:44 PM
Apr 2013

they could have been monitoring him as much as was necessary.

After the bombing IMO they knew who these perps were well before they released the photos. They would not be that hard to identify.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
60. Yah, and how long ago is 2011??
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:16 AM
Apr 2013

Not that long ago, is it. Don't tell me they couldn't have checked up on him at least once in a while.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
65. Why should they? Am i accused of terrorism by a foreign entity?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:26 AM
Apr 2013

Remember, he already had alegations of terrorism against him. That's a big fuking deal and shouldn't have forgot about him so quickly.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
115. I don't think we know that
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:36 AM
Apr 2013

We know the Russians asked about him. Not that the Russians alleged terrorism against them.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
117. They actually did. there was an OP with the details of what the Russians said.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:38 AM
Apr 2013

They suspected him of terrorism.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
119. Then why did they not follow up more?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:39 AM
Apr 2013

I think we don't have an extradition treaty with the Russians, but still, wouldn't they try harder to get him, resulting in more looking into it?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
120. I dont think they had concrete evidence, they just suspected him.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:42 AM
Apr 2013

He was a permanent resident here in the US, so it was up to the US gov to investigate.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
121. Here is what they had
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:45 AM
Apr 2013
Deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was identified by a foreign government as a "follower of radical Islam and a strong believer" whose personality had changed drastically in just a year, according to the FBI.

As investigators considered possible motives for Monday's fatal bombings, U.S. authorities acknowledged that an unnamed government had contacted the FBI to say the 26-year-old ethnic Chechen “had changed drastically” since 2010 and was preparing to leave the United States “to join unspecified underground groups,” according to an official statement from the FBI.

U.S. officials have not named the foreign nation, but it is presumed to be Russia. Tsarnaev traveled there in 2012 and stayed for six months.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombing-suspect-radical-fbi-20130420,0,4983624,full.story

That is not terrorism already committed. They did investigate. Predicting the behavior of other humans is not an exact science for which we should expect 100% success rate.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
21. Why didn't Business Insider demand that the FBI monitor the suspect before this tragedy?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:17 AM
Apr 2013

They have some explaining to do.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
111. And, may I add...?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:26 AM
Apr 2013

Why hasn't the Business Insider insisted that the FBI have adequate staff in order to monitor the tens of thousands of potential threats that come in every week? And, why haven't they offered to pay for those extra agents?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
23. FBI need to get their shit together already.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:22 AM
Apr 2013

It's obvious radical extremists do exist and they need to freaking monitor them before its too late! Not all crazy talk is just crazy talk, this is obvious. Dammit!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. They checked him out but found nothing wrong
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:24 AM
Apr 2013

Quit blaming people other than the perpetrators. No one can predict the behavior of another, not even the FBI. Don't help the freepers with this one.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
38. Yah, just like they dismissed Uncle Ted's threats.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:44 AM
Apr 2013

Ok, it was secret service, but it's the same thing. They just downplay a lot of threats and signals which they shouldn't ignore. Obviously they don't have to go and arrest someone just based on that, but they could at least keep a vigilent eye on them. They obviously "cleared" this beast and forgot about him. Yah, I know, work is hard.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
39. Nothing is perfect
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:47 AM
Apr 2013

Especially trying to figure out who is going to commit a terrorist act. They could not have arrested or detained Tamerlan at the time as he had done nothing wrong. There were many others the same, and it is not easy to pick out who is going to do what and in fact, it's downright impossible. At the time they talked to him, he may have had no idea himself he was going to do such a thing.

It is downright unreasonable to blame anyone but Tamerlan for what he did.

Two of the 911 hijackers were on the terrorist watch list, and that was not enough to stop 911.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
35. Yup, they should have
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:42 AM
Apr 2013

tracked someone they found no evidence to connect to any crime or extremism.

In fact, maybe Congress could get around to passing a law that when someone is identified as a suspicious, but cleared, they should be tracked indefinitely.

Let's get Lindsey Graham and Rand Paul on the case right now.

The FBI should release the details of the interview and the extent of the inquiry, but I find it fascinating that people who have been screaming about eroding civil liberties want the government to simply target someone because it was suggested that the person might be suspicious, and then go further and track the person after he was cleared.

It would be one thing if they found a connection, but that evidently did not happen.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
44. How about him spending 6 months overseas?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:56 AM
Apr 2013

That didn't ring any bells did it? I'm sorry but FBI wasn't tipped by some anonymous person, they were tipped by a foreign entity, most likely the Russian gov. I would take such tip very seriously.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
43. NO, THEY DON'T
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:55 AM
Apr 2013

Any allegation, from any source is sufficient to put you on a list, from which you cannot be removed? ARE YOU KIDDING?

Ted Kennedy was harassed every time he flew, because some political hack decided to put him on the Do Not Fly list, from which there is no removal.

IF there is a foreign country, worried about what an emigrant may say here in the Colonies, what better way to silence them by telling our FBI (especially in these paranoid times) that they have terrorist ties.

What you propose is unthinkable. Irrational. Scary as all hell.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
53. FBI didnt even monitor him for a year.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:05 AM
Apr 2013

Proof is his YouTube channel. Lol but ok. Let's ignore that brainwashed, radical nutjobs exist. Who needs FBI right?

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
100. But he unlike Kennedy wasn't put on a list. The person that notified Russian authorities was
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:14 PM
Apr 2013

an uncle who was concerned about his extremist views. DO you forget about the underwear bomber's relatives who were persistently ignored when they tried to sound the alarm?

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
109. bullshit-- considering how much the FBI monitors mosques and terrorist losers
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:21 AM
Apr 2013

they are just going to ignore this guy because the Russians said to pay attention to him?

What crap.

This story stinks to heaven.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
55. Right wingers rejoice
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:07 AM
Apr 2013

First headline I saw this morning on yahoo was how Glenn Beck demands the government come clean about the Benghazi link to the bombers. Second is this. Yay! Let's join them in condemning the government. With any luck we can feed this fire of paranoia all the way to impeachment or better yet revolution.






 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
64. Nobody or anything will bring life back to the 3 young inocent people who were killed.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:23 AM
Apr 2013

Or bring the limbs back to those who lost em. Or erase what happened out of our memory. I will never forget the photo of the young man holding whatever was left out of his leg, which was mostly only the bone.
Yes, we will move on with our lives, but we will never forget.

 

Zax2me

(2,515 posts)
71. They may have seen homegrown as right wing only.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:39 AM
Apr 2013

Or at least saw right wing homegrown as more serious -

Janet Napolitano released a report identifying right-wing extremists as posing a terror threat to the United States.
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20120810-domestic-terrorism-by-members-of-extremist-groups-a-serious-threat-fbi

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
72. Too bad they didn't belong to Occupy Wall St, they would have been arrested and detained
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

and charged with domestic terrorism.

According to their mother, who is in Russia, the FBI was 'working with my son' for 5 years and 'knew everything he was doing'. She talked about him discovering religion and being 'counseled' by the FBI regarding radical Islam, which she says, her sons did not like. She believes they were 'set up'. She is the mother, so take it with a grain of salt, re the 'set up' part, but this was her statement.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
74. Not surprised. The FBI has really dropped the ball with the violent ant-choicers.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:57 AM
Apr 2013

In spite of a federal law, they rarely investigate when clinics and doctors are threatened.

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
78. Imagine if an abusive ex-husband called the police regarding alleged activities of his ex-wife...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

Right or wrong, how seriously would the police take him? Likewise, if there was prior US involvement protecting the Tsarnaeva family from the Russian government, then the FBI officials would have likely been biased when responding to Russia's request for info.

Pisces

(5,592 posts)
80. The FBI has thousands of people they monitor for possible radicalization. I don't find it hard to
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

see why they didn't pinpoint Tamerlan. This was a quick operation. They had the pics of the guys the within 2 days.

I think we would be scared shitless if we knew how many people had radical ties, foreign and domestic.








marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
103. I thought it was quick too (helped by the bombers mistakes)--
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 09:59 PM
Apr 2013

I think the FBI had them in their sights on Tuesday but waited for the right moment to release the pix. They knew that he had gone to the car mechanic and also to class on Wednesday.

As far as preventing the bombing, I'm sure they will be asking the same question.

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
110. unless there was a deeper agenda here
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:22 AM
Apr 2013

and you should admit that terror attacks are useful for certain factions in the govt

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
81. Were drugs the source of their money?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:16 AM
Apr 2013
Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.

Tsarnaev hadn’t been to Allan’s Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in years, instead going to another nearby boxing gym.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/19/relatives-marathon-bombing-suspects-worried-that-older-brother-was-corrupting-sweet-younger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html

Or did Brendan Mess sell pot to Dzhokhar, and Tamarlan become outraged about it after he became religious?

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_mafia
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
92. i wondered about the drugs (& cars) angles too.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:01 PM
Apr 2013

"Chechen criminal groups and guerrilla factions reportedly play a significant part in the narcotics trade in Central Asia, Russia and the Caucasus region."

 

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
93. Cause they were white...pure and simple.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:01 PM
Apr 2013

Just another case of white privilege. If they were Arab, the feds would've monitored their every move.

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
105. Immigration should answer for their role also.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:04 PM
Apr 2013

The older brother was gone from the U.S. more than six continuous months last year. Any absence from the county of more than six months by green card holders is supposed to raise a red flag for immigration officers. On his return they should have investigated where he was and what he was doing.

applegrove

(118,020 posts)
106. My understanding is that the FBI investigated,
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:27 AM
Apr 2013

asked for more details from Russia, and didn't get any.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
112. The Business Insider needs to explain why...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:38 AM
Apr 2013

...the FBI has insufficient manpower to monitor every last one of the hundreds of thousands of potential threats they get every year--on top of the hundreds of thousands of domestic crimes, such as murder, kidnapping, bank robberies, drug-related crime, cyber crime, and white collar crimes that they must handle. Bunch of fucking "small government" hypocrites.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
116. They were too busy monitoring Occupy, the most serious threat to the 1%.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

One little lone possible terrorist fella only threatens those expendable 99% little folks.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
122. yes, surprised the FBI missed so many 'flags' on someone already in their system.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:49 AM
Apr 2013

extended trips home (to an area wellknown to terror attacks) beyond what is required by persons with visa.

Close family members immigrant deported? his Mother for the shoplifting.

A domestic violence problem causing derail of the older brothers USA citizenship process. Along with his 'dream' of going pro with his sport.

Becoming obsessed with religion & the religions 'rules' and the youtube/facebook comments.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
131. Older brother's raged rant at his Muslim temple and
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:09 PM
Apr 2013

older brother posting radical Islam and jihad stuff on You-tube too.

The FBI missed a lot, and this may just be the tip of the iceberg.

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