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Hyper_Eye

(675 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:54 AM Apr 2013

Overall 4Chan and Reddit spread bad information throughout this whole ordeal.

Almost everything that was spread over the internet turned out to be utterly false. The fact that so many of these "facts" were repeated by "reputable" news outlets is very disturbing. Some of the things I saw that were completely wrong:

* Pictures of individuals being singled out as potential suspects. Providing such information to law enforcement is one thing. Spreading those suspicions across the internet is damaging. I think it was telling that one of the most widely viewed pictures stated as the second reason for suspicion "BROWN". Yeah.
* Missing Brown student looks like suspect #2 (they looked nothing alike to me) followed by...
* Police radio ID's suspects as someone I will not name and the missing Brown student. The suspects are then discussed "by name" for some time until the actual names are released and it is obvious that this information is woefully wrong. That won't stop this association from being made for quite some time to come. Damage done.

All of the correct information came from law enforcement. I saw people enamored with the idea of crowd-sourced investigation but all it did was result in innocent people having their faces blasted across the internet and even "legitimate" newspapers. It's vigilante justice in the digital and information age. I am not impressed with untrained couch detectives scanning pictures for baseball hats and backpacks. You are looking at pictures of a major event in Boston. How many baseball hats and backpacks do you think there were? When police asked for information they weren't asking for every nut job with a magnifying glass to call and tell them everything they see in thousands of pictures while at the same time spreading that information across the internet. They were asking for people who recognized the suspects or thought they may have seen them to share that with them. I would like to see how much it cost us taxpayers for all of this bogus information that came from the internet to be recorded at the tip lines.

I know that I am being videotaped and photographed almost everywhere I go in public. That is a reality of modern life. I know that law enforcement can view that material and consider me a potential suspect in an investigation based on what they see in those materials. I do not find myself incredibly uncomfortable with that. I think it results in more crimes being solved. I also know the same is happening the other way around and that officers that commit crimes are being held accountable due to their actions having been caught on tape. What I am uncomfortable with is the idea that I could be blasted across the planet over the internet because I happened to be wearing a baseball hat at a public event where something criminal occurred. It isn't right.

I'm a big fan of the Linux, Gaming, Skyrim subreddits. I'm not trying to disparage the whole site. 4chan... I don't find much redeeming qualities in it. My point of view is that this is not a positive advancement in information sharing. It is a negative consequence of the communicative capability of the modern Internet. It is how this wonderful thing can sometimes go wrong. I did not share a single piece of information or a single picture that was not provided by or verified by law enforcement. To me it would be the same as sharing one of those stupid "like this and SoAndSo Corp. will donate to children's cancer" photos. It's stupid and I refuse to participate.

Rant off.

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Overall 4Chan and Reddit spread bad information throughout this whole ordeal. (Original Post) Hyper_Eye Apr 2013 OP
and it's a good rant! defacto7 Apr 2013 #1
Thanks. I feel pretty strongly about it. n/t Hyper_Eye Apr 2013 #8
and DU amplified the bullshit! HiPointDem Apr 2013 #2
I was disappointed by how much of it I saw on DU. Hyper_Eye Apr 2013 #9
True, sad but true just1voice Apr 2013 #20
The live scanner links kicked ass this evening. Congrats to those that posted the links. Great Purveyor Apr 2013 #3
I saw pics of these 2 suspects before FBI released photos on some website. Zax2me Apr 2013 #4
funny you didn't mention it here in the photo threads you participated in HiPointDem Apr 2013 #5
I totally agree Oilwellian Apr 2013 #6
Most of the Social Networking photo sleuths were wrong rightsideout Apr 2013 #7
Actually the solving rate at least of murder cases has been dropping for some time now Fumesucker Apr 2013 #10
That actually could mean a lot of things. defacto7 Apr 2013 #11
That may be so but I don't think there's evidence that cameras are really helping solve major crimes Fumesucker Apr 2013 #14
I would consider the nature of modern murder to be a major factor. Hyper_Eye Apr 2013 #12
Lynyrd Skynyrd's song Saturday Night Special came out in 1975 Fumesucker Apr 2013 #13
Why Did Everyone All of a Sudden Forget This Week that Discussion Sites and Posts By Private... dballance Apr 2013 #15
More shocking RudynJack Apr 2013 #16
Have you ever seen this brief presentation by Tom Scott: "Flashmob gone wrong"? Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #17
I'll check it out. Thanks. n/t Hyper_Eye Apr 2013 #19
Those sites don't have any obligation to be reliable. That is the news media's job. JVS Apr 2013 #18

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
1. and it's a good rant!
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:31 AM
Apr 2013

The misinformation far outweighed the facts where private Internet communications were concerned. There were some very good tips and witness input now and then but most of it was speculation run amok.

Hyper_Eye

(675 posts)
9. I was disappointed by how much of it I saw on DU.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:16 AM
Apr 2013

At the very least I would think that unverified photos would not be allowed here in such a case.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
20. True, sad but true
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:59 PM
Apr 2013

DU used to be populated with open-minded people with some degree of intelligence but over the last year or so it's been swarmed by repugs and propaganda responders. It's a lot like Yahoo now.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
3. The live scanner links kicked ass this evening. Congrats to those that posted the links. Great
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:38 AM
Apr 2013

play by play of what really was happening.

 

Zax2me

(2,515 posts)
4. I saw pics of these 2 suspects before FBI released photos on some website.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:39 AM
Apr 2013

Remember thinking, okay, those guys on that website got the right ones.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
6. I totally agree
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:05 AM
Apr 2013

It was very irresponsible, and judging from our recent past, possibly very deadly. I was amazed to see those pics posted here as well and allowed to stand. When many spoke against doing it, you could see the keyboards glaze over. I hope a lesson has been learned.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
7. Most of the Social Networking photo sleuths were wrong
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:07 AM
Apr 2013

I've seen several friends post false photos up of people who weren't involved. I questioned if they were official police photos which of course they weren't.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. Actually the solving rate at least of murder cases has been dropping for some time now
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:24 AM
Apr 2013

Despite the proliferation of cameras, the vastly increased forensic science and the lowering violent crime rate.

I therefore question your presumption that cameras are so useful for solving major crimes in general.

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2010/may/24/unsolved-homicides/

Every year in America, 6,000 killers get away with murder.

The percentage of homicides that go unsolved in the United States has risen alarmingly even as the homicide rate has fallen to levels last seen in the 1960s.

Despite dramatic improvements in DNA analysis and forensic science, police fail to make an arrest in more than one-third of all homicides. National clearance rates for murder and manslaughter have fallen from about 90 percent in the 1960s to below 65 percent in recent years.

The majority of homicides now go unsolved at dozens of big-city police departments, according to a Scripps Howard News Service study of crime records provided by the FBI.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
11. That actually could mean a lot of things.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:34 AM
Apr 2013

It could be that forensics are exonerating more innocent people than would have been convicted in the past. It could mean that modern technological advances are keeping enforcement from making overzealous decisions just to get a better rating.

The rates may mean little if you figure the differences in methods over time.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. That may be so but I don't think there's evidence that cameras are really helping solve major crimes
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:25 AM
Apr 2013

At least not to any great extent except in rather unusual cases like this in Boston, it took a great deal of LE resources to do what was done in Boston and that level of effort just doesn't happen except for really dramatic killings that catch the public eye.

Hyper_Eye

(675 posts)
12. I would consider the nature of modern murder to be a major factor.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:41 AM
Apr 2013

I would contend that murder has changed since the 1960's. The majority of murders occur in low-income neighborhoods in the streets with guns which are plentiful. These murders are hard to solve. The guns are difficult to trace. The crimes occur in apartment complexes, back alleys, dark streets. Often witnesses know the murderers and are afraid of them and so refuse to reveal what they know. I think the rate at which these murders are solved would be lower without the proliferation of cameras.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. Lynyrd Skynyrd's song Saturday Night Special came out in 1975
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:22 AM
Apr 2013

It was talking specifically about cheap guns in low income areas, I'm not going to repeat the actual term that was shortened for the song because it's horribly offensive but the acronym would be SNNTS rather than SNS.

The majority of murders happening in low income areas is by no means a new phenomenon and the people in those areas have never had reason to trust the police and usually lots of reasons to distrust them and in that era they had even more reason to distrust police than today.

Guns have always been plentiful in America and they were even easier to get before background checks and national databases and so on, you could walk into a pawnshop and not even have to show ID.





 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
15. Why Did Everyone All of a Sudden Forget This Week that Discussion Sites and Posts By Private...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:09 AM
Apr 2013

citizens on the internet are not reliable? It should be no surprise to anyone that so many private citizens with no criminal justice or investigative expertise were making claims that could not be substantiated. There is no shame to reddit or 4chan. They are what they are - unofficial hordes of private citizens posting all sorts of stuff. Some of it legitimate, some of it crap.

The real shame is to organizations like the NY Post. It presents itself as a serious journalistic endeavor. However, this week it has proven, once again, it is anything but. While other "serious" news organizations didn't run the picture that the Post ran they participated in the hanging of those two innocent men. I saw descriptions in many main-stream papers and on network news sites that described the two guys in the picture the Post printed as the two men the FBI would be releasing pictures of later. Now know they were all wrong.

4Chan and Reddit didn't spread anything. Their members spread gossip and unofficial garbage.

RudynJack

(1,044 posts)
16. More shocking
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:01 AM
Apr 2013

is that anybody in the world thought 4Chan or Reddit would be a reliable source of news.

Even DU repeated and amplified a ton of bad info. Don't get your news from individuals on the internet.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
17. Have you ever seen this brief presentation by Tom Scott: "Flashmob gone wrong"?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:57 AM
Apr 2013


This is so worth the few minutes of your time it takes that it's not even funny. You and everyone else. Because in that talk is the kernel of the power of the internet that we saw on display in this "crowdsleuthing". And while the results are less fatal than the situation described in the video above, they are both situations where awful, awful things can happen...in a flash.

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