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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:41 PM Apr 2013

Cameras solved this crime. The more the better IMO.......

Camera recording people in public have helped solve many crimes. And it will just get better.

I am against warrant-less wiretaps, against warrant-less GPS tracking, against drug sniffing dogs, which are basically controlled by their handlers, against police confiscating property for drug crimes, against stop-and-frisk laws that are abused by NYC police.

Hell, I am not even in favor of DUI checkpoints as I think they infringe on innocent people with no probable cause.

But cameras recording people in public are fine with me. Not for traffic tickets, but for criminal activity.

These Boston bombers got caught because of public cameras. The more the better.

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Cameras solved this crime. The more the better IMO....... (Original Post) Logical Apr 2013 OP
So you favor turning the US into a Big Brother state, with your every single move being monitored? Hugabear Apr 2013 #1
You realize any business can record anything that occurs in public and it is totally legal? n-t Logical Apr 2013 #2
Doesn't mean I have to like it, or want the government doing the same Hugabear Apr 2013 #3
Videoing public restrooms in a business is legal? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #4
That comparison is bullshit. No one has advocated cameras in bathrooms. Stay on topic. nt bluestate10 Apr 2013 #8
Here's what I was replying to verbatim.. Fumesucker Apr 2013 #15
Tell me. Why in the hell would you be concerned? When I walk a public street, I am going bluestate10 Apr 2013 #11
So you ascribe to the "If you're not guilty, then you have nothing to worry about" mindset Hugabear Apr 2013 #13
The fear of cameras in public places is fucking insane. I wonder what the hell people that bluestate10 Apr 2013 #5
My last few interactions with cops have been great, however.. Fumesucker Apr 2013 #12
It's called the right to be let alone Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #21
The problem is dumb laws and bad priorities. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #6
The pot laws aren't at all dumb, they are doing exactly what they were intended to do n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #17
They're dumb from the perspective of people who actually want sane public policy, of course. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #22
You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public...so go ahead NightWatcher Apr 2013 #7
Why don't we just put a monitoring chip in everyone? MrSlayer Apr 2013 #9
Wow, really horrible comparison. Work on a better one and reply again. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #10
No. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #14
Camera taping you walking are not intrusive. Chips embedded in you are. Wow, scary! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #18
By whose standard? MrSlayer Apr 2013 #20
Not only are recorded video billh58 Apr 2013 #16
And can be used against abusive cops also. Another win! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #19
Save me! Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #23

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
1. So you favor turning the US into a Big Brother state, with your every single move being monitored?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:45 PM
Apr 2013

I don't know if I would feel comfortable knowing that every single step I took in public - every single thing that I did, looked at, etc - was being monitored on a daily basis.

Should we allow police drones to fly over cities as well, collecting surveillance?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
2. You realize any business can record anything that occurs in public and it is totally legal? n-t
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:46 PM
Apr 2013

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. Here's what I was replying to verbatim..
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:03 PM
Apr 2013
You realize any business can record anything that occurs in public and it is totally legal? n-t


Public restrooms are... public, hence it's legal to have video cameras in them according to that post.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
11. Tell me. Why in the hell would you be concerned? When I walk a public street, I am going
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:54 PM
Apr 2013

somewhere. I don't care if a camera is filming my movement past it. I am not out doing something illegal, stealing or cheating on a spouse. So, I don't give a shit that I am being filmed. If someone watching film of me want to be bored, I say let them knock themselves out.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
13. So you ascribe to the "If you're not guilty, then you have nothing to worry about" mindset
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:59 PM
Apr 2013

Sorry, not me.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
5. The fear of cameras in public places is fucking insane. I wonder what the hell people that
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:49 PM
Apr 2013

oppose public cameras are afraid of. Are they out doing crimes and cheating on a spouse and don't want to be seen?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
12. My last few interactions with cops have been great, however..
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:57 PM
Apr 2013

I've also had some seriously horrible interactions with cops in the past.

If you are lower class then police are for the most part *not* your friend and if you also happen to be a minority or otherwise "different" then "officer friendly" becomes even less friendly.

Not everyone thinks cops are an unalloyed good and we have some seriously fucked up laws in this country that some cops love to use as a pretext for screwing with people.



Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
21. It's called the right to be let alone
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:15 PM
Apr 2013

and technological advances have eroded our privacy. We expect to be seen in public but we object to having every move we make captured electronically, stored indefinitely, and used for profiling us when we've done nothing against the law.

You have no problem with it, that's fine for you but those of us who objected aren't fucking insane. We just remember that until recently Americans embraced privacy as a cherished liberty.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. The problem is dumb laws and bad priorities.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:49 PM
Apr 2013

The fact that something like 80% of our tax dollar law enforcement resources go towards making sure cancer grannies don't smoke pot, that sort of thing.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. They're dumb from the perspective of people who actually want sane public policy, of course.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:18 PM
Apr 2013

Not dumb from the perspective of the people with a vested interest in the drug war gravy train and attendant profits of prohibition.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
9. Why don't we just put a monitoring chip in everyone?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:53 PM
Apr 2013

This way we'll know where everyone is at all times. Maybe we could set it up so it can record your every word and action as well. Need to know where someone was and what they did at any point? A simple click takes you right to it.

Because this is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Yeah……

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
14. No.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:01 PM
Apr 2013

My way makes it easier to achieve your goal. If you want to go all Big Brother why half ass it?

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
20. By whose standard?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:14 PM
Apr 2013

I find the idea of having my every public move servailed and monitored repellant. I feel it is intrusive.

It doesn't really matter though, we've been in a police state for quite some time now. It's not going to change, not for the better anyway.

You'll get what you want. You pretty much already have it.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
16. Not only are recorded video
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:03 PM
Apr 2013

files good for helping to catch criminals, public and very visible cameras are effective as deterrents to crime. I agree that cameras are a cost effective use of resources, and are beneficial in proving both innocence, and guilt.

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