Brace Yourselves

[WilliamPitt]

[quinnox]

1. lol

[justiceischeap]

2. Was it the Chechnians or the Bosnians that raped women? nt

[Mika]

6. Yes.

[Cleita]

12. I think they both did when the opportunity arose. n/t

[MFM008]

25. no

In the Bosnian war it was the Bosnian SERBS that practiced the widespread rape of women.

[Hekate]

32. I think it really ended up being both sides. I remember the abortion issue and the shame issue

Catholic victims couldn't get an abortion after being raped. Muslim victims had shamed their families by being raped.

Sucks to be female in cultures like that.

[Rockyj]

43. Sucks to be a female in any rape culture...

and America supports a RAPE CULTURE & is just as guilty!

[Hekate]

45. No my dear, America is not just as guilty. Rape is not a policy here.

Edited to add for clarity: Rape is neither a sanctioned tactic of war, nor is it legal in civilian life.

Our system is far from perfect, but those are facts.

[lark]

52. RW is doing it's best to legimize rape.

Did you know that in a number of states (think it's 13) rapists are allowed child visitation and the victim can't stop him from coming to her house? Paul Ryan tried to pass a law that rapist could have the final decision if their pregnant victims could have abortions.

Our system is less perfect every day.

[hopemountain]

58. well if ryan TRIED and he FAILED

our system worked.

[lark]

61. The fact that it was put out there as a legimate bill is a failure of the system.

The fact that the majority of Repugs voted for the bill shows the American system is broken and that the 1% and their reps. are totally anti-women. At least that's how I look at it.

[hopemountain]

83. misogyny is deeply ingrained in our culture

for a too many reasons. our system may seem to be a reflection of our culture - but it does allow for correction - and that is up to us.

[Katashi_itto]

71. +1000

[MrModerate]

74. Blather alert! n/t

[Maraya1969]

75. The fact that you are a man makes your statement totally repugnant.

[MrModerate]

76. That is an extremely foolish remark, and offensive.

The post to which I was responding was also foolish, in addition to being factually untrue, off-topic, and disruptive.

In other words, blather.

I call 'em as I see 'em.

Would you care to explain how my sex makes my remark "repugnant"?

[Maraya1969]

81. Because you are not affected by our culture that is anti-woman

In post #52 she stated that in 13 states now the rapist is allowed to see his child. And some states are forcing rape on women by demanding the use of an internal ultrasound before you can get an abortion. The RW is constantly bringing up bills to take away women's rights.

That is what the poster was speaking of and what you called "blather".

[MrModerate]

82. The items you have mentioned are clearly injustices . . .

And are visited on women/girls alone.

However to call the US a "rape culture" is so far over the top that it does more harm than good in focusing people's mind on the problems.

'Blather' was the wrong word. I should have called it 'sabotage' or perhaps 'misogyny.'

[Posteritatis]

63. What, all of them? (nt)

[JeaneRaye]

77. Chechnya

I am not an expert on Chechnya nor Bosnia, but I believe that you are confusing Chechnya with Serbia. It was a conflict between the Serbs and the Bosnians. But then again, I could be wrong.

[In_The_Wind]

3. Sure they are!

[HappyMe]

4. lol!

Sad, but true.

[TransitJohn]

5. Oh you know it, man.

It'll happen everywhere, including sports and motorcycle message boards.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

7. Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it Chechnya, which of course in German means

a whale's vagina......

[HangOnKids]

50. +100 for the Ron Burgundy reference!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

54. Ron who? :-P

[Fantastic Anarchist]

78. LMAO ... love Ron Burgandy!!!

Whale's Vagina!

[randome]

8. Brace yourselves. They have thumbs now!

[Cleita]

15. I swear mine does. He knows how to open doors now. n/t

[randome]

21. Pretty soon HE'LL be telling us about Chechnya!

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Let's start with a map

http://www.flashpoints.info/Assets/Maps/Chechnya-map3.bmp

[Scuba]

17. Between the Black and Caspian seas, with no access to either. Thanks, knew it was there somewhere.

[msanthrope]

23. DUZY!!!! nt

[bvar22]

34. THANKS!! US Americans need more maps!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

79. And such ...

[AsahinaKimi]

10. I AM

NOT even sure I can pronounce it! Chets Nee YA?

[flamingdem]

11. Expert via Tom Hayden on fb

Everyone's asking "Why attack a sporting event like the Boston Marathon?" To me, if this does turn out to be politically motivated, the obvious connection that no one to my knowledge has noted is that it may well have to do with the Russians' hosting of the Winter Olympics next year in Sochi, which is on the Black Sea straight down the mountains from Chechnya.

The last time I taught the Chechnya rebellion, I assigned Tolstoy's Hadji Murad, which is a good read for undergrads that underscores to students that this conflict isn't just about the end of the USSR or global jihad, but has deep historical roots. There's also a good Russian film called "Prisoner of the Mountains" that humanizes the conflict well, and which is based on another Tolstoy story.

Larry N. George, Ph.D.
Professor
Department of Political Science
California State University, Long Beach

[marions ghost]

31. Interesting

maybe some connection--I wouldn't be surprised. But I think it's more likely just that the Boston Marathon was convenient and on the radar of these two sports fans from Boston.

Such a torn up area of the world they come from. Maybe the Winter Olympics there brings some healing? We can hope.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

80. Thanks for the references.

I'm a fan of Tolstoy - afterall, he was an anarchist.

[Cleita]

13. I thought he lost his head for being a nice guy. n/t

[The Link]

30. He lost his head for being an idiot.

[Cleita]

59. Maybe he shouldn't have killed Sansa's wolf. The old gods were probably upset. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

14. Heh

Yes, given all the attention the situation in the area within a historical context has been receiving,

Oh wait....

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Consider the coming conspiracy theories about that high rise fire in Grozny two weeks ago

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/03/fire-high-rise-russia/2049965/

You know there's nothing CTers love more than a conspiracy involving a high rise fire!!!

[Brother Buzz]

18. I lived in Delano, Georgia

I could see Chechnya from my backyard

[Phentex]

49. ...

[treestar]

19. LOL

If they've heard of it before today, it'll be a miracle.

[Marrah_G]

20. Winter is coming!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. Nah. Everybody is about to talk as if they are an expert on Chechnya. nt

[snort]

24. Mr. Bean

sure gets around.

[mainstreetonce]

26. The upcoming Olympics

Are a big worry.

[Warpy]

27. Hey, I could find it on a map before today!

The Dad lives in Dagestan, which I can also find on a map thanks to a chatter in an IRC channel many years ago. I looked it up then.

Other than what's been in the news, I know nothin.

But I can locate it.

[humbled_opinion]

28. Everybody about to try and link

the motive to Islam...I wonder if Obama will bend to that pressure? If he does I will have words...

[RZM]

29. What if that was the motive?

We don't know yet. Maybe not. But maybe so. Maybe somewhere in the middle.

[Zorra]

33. Please, allow me to be the first to say

Ас нохчийн мотт ца буьйцу

Now maybe you tell me where I find moose and squirrel.

[hlthe2b]

35. I've had enough of the backseat driving... If I see one more post stating the absolute

"OBVIOUS" per Law & Order or whatever tv show they've been watching far too much of-- and ADVISING the FBI, MA State POlice, Boston PD, ATF, Homeland Security, CIA and Obama with their superior knowledge of tactics and "strategery" I am absolutely going to lose it.

Aaargh!

[State the Obvious]

39. Yes. nt

[emulatorloo]

57. Yes n/t

[snooper2]

36. I learned everything I need to know from this movie---

Maybe the brothers watched it too many times-

[NoPasaran]

37. I remember early in the First Chechen War of the 1990s

Listening to a commentator on the BBC remarking on ho it was such an obscure place that no one really knew whether to refer to it as Chechnya or Chechenia, or to its inhabitants as Chechens or Chechenians.

To bad it didn't stay that way.

[Jessy169]

38. I met a Cheneyan hired killer once when I was in Russia

I was meeting with the owner of a small furniture production facility in St. Petersburg, having the usual shots of vodka and hanging out in his facility office along with his girlfriend and a few other Russian associates. His girlfriend kept looking out the window, and suddenly the festive friendly mood turned very subdued when his girlfriend said "he's here". The facility owner immediately told me in Russian, which I spoke and understood okay back then, to NOT talk about business, and to say I am only here as a friend. Soon, a tall caucasian with blond hair and blue eyes walks in, with a bleach-blond hooker-looking gal on each arm. He calmly sits down and small talk ensued, some of which I didn't quite get. Then the tall guy looks at me, introduces himself, and informs me that he is Chechnyan, and although he is Muslim nobody can tell that by looking at him. He calmly tells me that his business is enforcement for a local mafia group of Cheneyans, and that he is hired sometimes to kill people. He opens up his suit jacket to display a pistol in a shoulder holster and smiles. More small talk, then he gets up and leaves, after which everybody in the room sighs with relief. The business owner then informs me that this man visits about once a week to check up on his business, to find out if he's made any money that he can extort. That's business in Russia, the owner tells me.

It is interesting to read up on the history of Chechnya. It is a region that perhaps more than most others has been defined by constant invasion, war, treachery and the most extreme forms of evil that the human race can perpetrate. Not all people from Chechnya are "bad", of course, but I for one have always somewhat sympathized with the Russian efforts to subdue that region, and to deal harshly with the insurgents. There is a cold, evil, cruel streak that seems to be culturally imprinted on Chechnyans, and now we get a taste of it here in America.

History of Chechnya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chechnya

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. "and now we get a taste of it here in America."

Too late,...we have Republicans.

[watoos]

41. and the Russians claim

that the US may have been behind the Chechnyan rebellion, mainly the neocons. No?

[Jessy169]

42. Where there is oil, there are neocons

Indeed, that is probably true. We all know the big oil and neocon method of operation. Prop up a cruel dictator to control the population through murderous means, keep him well-paid and protected, take all the oil. Due to my exposure and experiences in Russia, and knowing the Russian attitudes toward Chechnya, I have always kept close tabs on news concerning that region. And there was a series of news stories some time not too long ago where there was speculation from the Russian side that American neocons/oil execs/Republicans were fomenting trouble in Chechnya with the goal of tapping into their oil. Knowing Republicans/neocons, it is hard to disbelieve speculation like that, IMO.

[lastlib]

46. We had some "cheneyans" in this country--it was NOT a pleasant experience!

.
.



(We still have 'em, and it's still awful!.......)

[mountain grammy]

56. Ha, love it!

[JimDandy]

44. Hee hee

I hope that young man makes it out of this mess alive, for his sake and our understanding, though.

[tclambert]

47. One does not simply walk into Chechnya.

[Phentex]

48. LOL!

These replies are cracking me up!

[Brimley]

51. And Islam

[Duval]

53. You are

always there with what we need. I'll never forget seeing and hearing you in Chapel Hill,NC, when no one else was speaking against the wars. You have always been a source of honesty and integrity.

[tclambert]

55. The Boston Globe said they came from Kyrgyzstan.

It took me three tries to spell that. Let's stick with Chechnya.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

60. I like the wheat chech myself.

For my money, the other flavors just aren't as good.

[Zorra]

62. kick

[nadine_mn]

64. Please show a Fox 'news' person trying to find Chechnya on a map

That would make my day!

[Posteritatis]

65. I'm slightly embarrassed to think CBC's in the running for the Stupidmost Award on this so far

I'd like to know what they were thinking getting a talking head on who was stating that the Chechens - like, all of them - are a terrorist organization, for starters.

Gaaaaaah.

[NightWatcher]

66. Not me. I hate pasta and sparkling water

[dembotoz]

67. years ago when i first got cable we had a channel called scola-featured news casts from around the

world

remember mostly the Russian broadcast where they kept showing war footage of them???
blasting the shit out of someplace with tanks, planes, whole nine yards
pretty big time war

remember that there was absolutely no coverage by the American media
none
nada
zip

about the time I bought a short wave radio receiver.....

folks in this land don't know shit and resent it when someone tries to tell them

[Lone_Star_Dem]

68. I know they're really into hip hop in Chechnya...

I heard it on the radio on my way home on ESPN radio, so it must be true.

Ok, actually I heard that TMZ was reporting one of the two brothers was into it, but hey, they once lived in Chechnians(sp?) so it must mean all the population there is, right? Who wants to be that's good enough for CNN to break the story?

[Coyotl]

69. Meanwhile, noone is an expert on what growing up in America does to young people today

as school budgets get slashed more each year.

Noone wants to find a problem unless they can say it is somewhere overseas, cuz Merika is sooo great.

[lordsummerisle]

70. lol n/t

[Kennah]

72. You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Chechen

[MrModerate]

73. Dang. That's the most disturbing thing I've heard all day.

And you are abso-frakkin'-lutely correct.