Portland Tree Lighting Bomb Case: I'm really glad this guy is in jail right now.

[Warren DeMontague]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/mohamed-mohamud-guilty-terrorism-_n_2597736.html


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/01/mohamed_mohamud_found_guilty_i.html

On that day, agents presented Mohamud with a fake but realistic looking fertilizer bomb secretly built by an FBI bomb tech. The massive explosive choked the cargo area of the van. Mohamud grinned and declared the device "beautiful."

Later that night, from the passenger seat of an SUV parked about 1,000 yards from Pioneer Courthouse Square, Mohamud pressed the keypad of a cell phone to detonate the device. When nothing happened, one of the undercover FBI agents told him to get out and try it again.

Now, are there questions as to how much of this plot was generated by the FBI? Of course. But the fact is, they intercepted someone who- when it came right down to it- was willing and enthusiastic to press a button that he fully believed was going to blow up a crowd full of families. Little kids.

Fuck that guy. I'm glad he's behind bars.

[Trajan]

1. My son was at the square that night ...

So yeah .. I'm pretty happy that didn't go down as planned ...

Yet. I also wish he didn't have such dedicated assistance from people who know better, either ...

[Warren DeMontague]

3. I knew people who were there that night, too.

Ultimately, while the questions around the sting are legit, I think people need to be held responsible for their choices and actions, and he made some egregiously horrible ones.

And it's entirely possible, had things turned out differently, he might have killed some people. He demonstrated the willingness.

[Trajan]

8. true ... but

If you plumb the soul of everyman ... if you drill inside and promote the worst thoughts ... if you exclaim every moment how some one should be hated ... how someone is denying you your rightful happiness ... how someone has insulted your family, culture, way of life and your very being ....

Would everyman eventually conclude that it is fair to eradicate those who would cause so much harm to you, according to the indoctrination you receive over time?

I think that, given enough time and access, and with the right lies ... ANY man can be convinced to do something dreadful to another human being ...

[Warren DeMontague]

12. No. You could not convince most of us to press a button and blow up a crowd full of people.

Families. Children.

I'm sorry, but we all get insults thrown at us.

There is no excuse. I don't care how what the justification supposedly is.

[Trajan]

18. yes ... you are wrong

Take Warren at age ... 7 ....

Send him to a strict school who's primary goal is to teach Warren to hate the people your father hates ....

Teach him, every day. that those who are hated are animals, unworthy of the appellation ' human being ' ... to be despised by all ' good people '

Given a decent number of years with that indoctrination ... Little Warren will grow up to indiscriminately kill those he was taught to hate . ...

Warren now? .... of course not

Warren when he is ripe for indoctrination, and ample effort is regularly applied to his impressionable mind?

Absolutely ...

[Warren DeMontague]

19. Yes, I do believe that people can be indoctrinated like that from youth, let me be clear.

Although it's worth noting that some people heavily indoctrinated in all manner of fucked up ideologies do fight it and escape.

...However I've seen no indication yet from the families of either Mr. Mahmoud or the 2 guys in Boston, that this was the case, i.e. they were heavily indoctrinated to become bomb-setters from an early age.

[cascadiance]

10. I worked at a building right next to the square at that time...

I had to come to work over the weekend when that happened. Fortunately I came in on Sunday and not the day this happened.

The unfortunate aftermath though of this event was that a mosque in Corvalis was attacked in retaliation for what happened here not long afterwards.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/Arrest-made-in-Oregon-mosque-arson-128400498.html

Unfortunately, they released this bum later so that he could be able to get "revenge" in the future if he wants to. Don't like that!



http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-releases-man-accused-of-firebombing-Corvallis-mosque-Cody-Crawford-157365695.html

I also like it when bums like that get locked up too for ALSO committing terrorism here too that doesn't get the same attention that muslims do. Too bad they let this one off the hook!

Edit:

In another article, this guy even admitted that he was a Christian terrorist that could "jihad" like Muslims do when he firebombed the mosque (that might have killed someone).

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/mosque_arson_suspect_to_cops_christians_can_jihad.php

I hope that authorities in the Massachusetts area are prepared for such "retaliations" and prevent them from happening in the coming weeks, which I'm sure there will be a few attempts at doing.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Agreed with all you've written.

And I have no doubt the authorities will be on the lookout for such things, as they should.

[still_one]

2. Most apple here will agree

[TwilightGardener]

4. Why would anyone be sorry about it?

[Warren DeMontague]

5. When the original story came down, I think it was about 50/50.

Like I said, I understand questions around the FBI sting, but ultimately I think it was a good and legitimate use of the resources.

And they quite possibly prevented a major tragedy somewhere down the road.

[TwilightGardener]

6. If this is entrapment, they should entrap more.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. I have edited the OP.

Like I said, it was about 50/50 at the original time of the story.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. other than the fact that they are all homegrown terrorists

there is no similarity.

[Warren DeMontague]

11. The similarity is, when the story happened a lot of people expressed incredulity

that this "kid" would actually blow up a bunch of innocent people, never mind the fact that he pressed a button fully believing that was what he was going to do.

Certainly the story in Boston brings this to mind. I have a hard time believing that any jury is going to acquit this guy in a retrial, now.

[Ikonoklast]

15. The armies of the entire world are full of 'kids' just like that one that kill when told to.

I wonder why people think that a 'kid' isn't capable of mass murder, because the evidence points to them being not only capable, but willing.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Dare I say, I think the behavior and judgment centers of the brain aren't fully developed

in 18 yo males, which is one reason that demographic is favored, as you put it, for the armies of the world.

I'm fortunate in that when I was that age, my bad decisionmaking mostly manifested in copious bouts of substance abuse.

[Ikonoklast]

17. Absolutely. A thirty-year-old draftee would tell his Sargent to fuck off.

Get 'em young so they can be indoctrinated, the Jesuits knew what worked years ago.


"Give me the child for seven years, and I will give you the man."

[former9thward]

14. Try again.

The Chechen brothers were not "home grown". The older brother was an adult by the time he came here.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

20. I tutored some relatives of this guy when they were newly arrived in Portland ca. 1994-95.

His father came first, already speaking English and well-educated, but unable to find a job. His wife and children were back in a refugee camp in Kenya, and he lived in a house in a somewhat rundown neighborhood with 16 relatives, three of whom I tutored in English.

Most of the 16 relatives later moved to San Diego, but I last saw the father in about 1997, when we happened to ride the same bus. He said that he had just brought his family over from Kenya and seemed very pleased.

I wonder what happened to the son to make him so screwed up.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Seems to me the family was pretty shocked.

Kid went off the rails, but it wasn't seemingly coming from them.