Who's says these two were not gun nuts?

[Drale]

I don't want to speculate but all talk, here and on the "news" today as got me thinking. I keeping hearing about their connections to Russia and that they were followers of Islam but these guys have been here for quite sometime and were citizens. How do we know they aren't crazy gun nuts using these attacks as "protests" against the government or against gun control advocates. I'm not saying I'm right, or that I even believe this but is it any less plausible then any other idea we've heard today? I'm going to wait to see what the feds can find out and so should everyone else should as well. Don't listen to the media, they have botched the reporting of this event even worst than they usually do.

[onehandle]

1. The have more in common with your average basement dwelling gun nut...

...than with your average peaceful Muslim.

Probably spend time at the same right-wing weapon/armament oriented websites.

[Dreamer Tatum]

2. I have a great way to determine how exercised we should be about their use of guns

here it is:

DID THEY USE BOMBS LOADED WITH SHRAPNEL TO KILL AND MAIM PEOPLE?


If the answer is 'yes,' which it is, then I give exactly zero country FUCKS about what guns they're toting around
except to the extent that they place law enforcement at risk as they help them die.


The evidence against them being teabillies, or garden-variety gun nuts, is nearly zero at this point.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

3. Well, if it is *scary Muslim foreigners* who are gun nuts....

.....wonder if any of our domestic gun enthusiasts suddenly change their tune?

Or, much more likely, simply engage in cognitive dissidence.

My money's on the latter.

[flamingdem]

4. gun 'n bomb nuts

slightly different category

[Zax2me]

5. Because all the evidence points to Islamic terrorism.

Two law enforcement officials said they believe there is a “Chechen connection” to the bombings. In the last several months, Tamerlan Tsarnaev had posted videos to YouTube indicating his interest in radical Muslim ideologies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/massive-police-operation-under-way-in-boston/2013/04/19/979ec6dc-a8c6-11e2-a8e2-5b98cb59187f_print.html

[Enrique]

6. who says they weren't animal rights activists?

[bowens43]

7. the bomer mentality and gun mentality are pretty much the same thing

you have bomb you intend kill someone, you have a gun you intend to kill someone.

if guns are legal, why not bombs?

[premium]

13. What an idiotic post.

I have a gun and I have no intention to kill anyone, as do millions upon millions of americans.

[sarisataka]

19. Yes you do...

you want to kill... listen to your gun, it is whispering to you at night, kill, kill, kill

[premium]

22. That's why I keep my gun locked up,

I caught it trying to sneak out of the house a couple of years ago to join up with a gang of guns.

[sarisataka]

23. Keep the ammo locked up too

guns are known to load themselves and then go off...


Be responsible and be safe

[premium]

25. That's how I caught it,

I heard it trying to load itself.


Same to you.

[hack89]

18. 99.99% of legal gun owners will never shoot anyone.

do you think before you post?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

8. How well did they assimilate to U.S. society?

Or were their hearts and values still centered on the place and people where they grow up? I don't know but I thought I heard that the older brother didn't make any friends. He may not have considered himself American enough to even get excited about the 2nd amendment gun debate.

[Matariki]

9. Followers of Islam - does that mean they're back to being 'terrorists'

rather than merely 'bombers', per the news?

[Drale]

11. Um in my mind they were never not terrorists

domestic terrorists who just happen to be born in another country. Terrorism when used correctly not by the Media or the Repukes refers to people who use violence to insight terror and does not automatically mean Muslim or even foreigner.

[Matariki]

16. Um, I was referring to how the news frames the issue - not you.

white guy = bomber, brown guy = terrorist.

[Drale]

21. I've completely given up on the "media" now

they've made this entire investigation into a joke and "report" anything that anyone says on twitter as confirmed "news"

[justanidea]

10. Perhaps they were also stamp collectors and avid craft beer enthusiasts.

[Drale]

12. They might have been but what does that have to do with their attack? /nt

[X_Digger]

24. About as much as your supposition. See how that works? n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. Ka-zing!

[B2G]

14. God, some of the stretching here would be amusing

if this wasn't so serious.

[sarisataka]

15. Maybe they are gun nuts

but they are of foreign origin so lets prohibit any immigration and deport all persons less than 5th generation US citizen and all of Russian heritage and any followers of Islam.

It's plausible that will end all crime

[marshall]

17. We'll know when we find out where they got their guns

Did they buy them from a gun show?

[onenote]

20. Is it less plausible than any other idea we've heard? Yes it is.

It may be possible. But there is a considerable distance between plausible and possible.

[hughee99]

26. Exactly, it hasn't been PROVEN yet that they weren't

tied up with RW extremists, hate groups, the Tea Party, the NRA, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, the Koch brothers, the Republican party and Karl Rove.

Sure they are allegedly originally from Chechnya, and have allegedly made statements to indicate a belief in islam (usually not popular within the circles above), but that doesn't prove that they weren't right wing nut cases.

As every knows, one of the issues college students care about MOST is the taxation. Go to any college campus and you'll hear dozens of conversations about students complaining about all the taxes they're paying and how the government is wasting their money.

[Drale]

27. Well even if they did do this because of extremist Islamic views

that would still put them on the right wing, with the tea party and the bible thumping Christians, the only difference is then we would have to listen to those people scream about "how they told us that muslin were evil" and "how they spit on Jesus" and such. In the end it really doesn't matter what the motives were because even if they were tea partyers or NRA members or anything like that, the right wing would figure out a way to distract American's from doing anything to protect ourselves from another attack of this kind.

PS I know I spelled Muslim wrong, I did it on purpose.

[hughee99]

29. Ah, so if I understand correctly, you're attempting to say that

Islamic extremists and bible thumping Christians are pretty much the same thing. While you might be correct when comparing philosophies, the whole point of the connection is to tar our political enemies, and you're not going to convince anyone that we need to go after the tea-baggers, the NRA and their ilk because Islamic extremists are basically the same.

Hell, the teabaggers have been speculating that this was islamic extremists from the get-go, and some of the left (including a significant number of DUers) have been saying it's not, but rather a bunch of WHITE anti-tax, pro-gun, racist, extremists.

Well, they set off bombs in a crowd, so whoever did it is going to be an extremist.