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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:55 AM Apr 2013

Let's see if I have this straight.

Two Chechins plant a bomb that kills three, injures a hundred and fifty or so, and the entire city of Boston is on lockdown.

Some faceless plant owners allow a huge explosion to happen, killing dozens, wounding hundreds, and they'll undoubtedly never serve a day in jail.

Am I missing something?

Careless capitalism is just shrugged off, even though it does far more damage than the deliberate terrorists. I'm not defending the Boston bombers, but there's a proportionality here that's a little disturbing.

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Let's see if I have this straight. (Original Post) SheilaT Apr 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Apr 2013 #1
Because he is running around with bombs and guns.......... Marrah_G Apr 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #3
So, what if they were Christians? SheilaT Apr 2013 #6
I don't know many of the details of what happened in Texas, Jenoch Apr 2013 #9
But then they wouldn't have been Christian when they did this... cascadiance Apr 2013 #13
But Muslims are always Muslims, especially SheilaT Apr 2013 #14
Um, if you don't mind my saying, whathehell Apr 2013 #12
Nobody's missing that, since you seem unable to STFU about for more than 5 seconds. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2013 #19
one case is the 1% versus the 99%. Ongoing class warfare. magical thyme Apr 2013 #4
lethal capitalism always gets a pass G_j Apr 2013 #5
You forgot the cop who was killed at MIT, the cop who was shot at Charles Street Station, MADem Apr 2013 #7
How many BP officials have served time? SheilaT Apr 2013 #15
Any attempt to equate these two events is fucking asinine and is a display of piss poor logic. MADem Apr 2013 #18
Yes, you are missing a lot. a hell of a lot in fact CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #8
Unrec. FSogol Apr 2013 #10
Um, no it appears there's a good chance you don't "have it straight". whathehell Apr 2013 #11
I may well be jumping to conclusions, SheilaT Apr 2013 #16
I understand, and believe me, I am definitely in favor of corporate responsibility. whathehell Apr 2013 #17
One was an accident, the other was deliberate? HiddenInVA Apr 2013 #20
You forgot about all the amputations, and people maimed for life in Boston. avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #21
What's being trivialized is what happened in Texas. SheilaT Apr 2013 #23
Unrecommended tallahasseedem Apr 2013 #22
I miss UNREC. n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #24

Response to SheilaT (Original post)

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
2. Because he is running around with bombs and guns..........
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:58 AM
Apr 2013

They've killed a cop, hijacked a car, robbed a store and the brother who was killed threw bombs at the cops and had on a fucking suicide vest so YES

They shut down a city where most people walk, kids take public transit to school.

WTF

Seriously, the people who fucking live here are not upset. They are staying inside and letting the cops do their jobs.

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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
6. So, what if they were Christians?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:03 AM
Apr 2013

Or Jews? Or atheists? I take it the assumption is that all Muslims are by definition terrorists, but whatever local good ole boys do in Texas is always okay.

My point is, while again I'm not remotely condoning what they did, what happened in Texas is vastly worse, at least in numbers of actual human beings killed and maimed.

I'll bet that next year the Boston Marathon will be run without any spectators allowed, at least not in the last mile or so, while the fertilizer plant will rebuild. Without adequate safety inspections.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
9. I don't know many of the details of what happened in Texas,
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:09 AM
Apr 2013

but intent has a lot to do with prosecution and sentencing.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
13. But then they wouldn't have been Christian when they did this...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:41 AM
Apr 2013

Just like Timothy McVeigh's Christian faith was no longer a factor when he blew up Oklahoma City...

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
4. one case is the 1% versus the 99%. Ongoing class warfare.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:03 AM
Apr 2013

Tragic, but not really unexpected.

The other is the 99% turning on each other, started with an 2 unexpected bomb explosions at a high profile event in front of international teevee and phone cameras, an activist hero behaving heroically on film, a manhunt, a carjacking, multiple car chases and shootouts, a terrorist armed with bombs at large, 4 miles of road littered with IEDs, all in a major, famous historic city.

Face it. It fucking reads like a novel. Or script for a blow-it-up, car chase action movie.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. You forgot the cop who was killed at MIT, the cop who was shot at Charles Street Station,
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:05 AM
Apr 2013

the robbery of the 7-11 and the continued manhunt for the remaining Chechen, who just might be wearing a suicide vest with the capability of killing more people.

Are those plant owners on the run, armed and dangerous?

How do you know that "undoubtedly" they will "never serve a day in jail?"

You don't think the federal government will press charges at some point?

I don't agree with your "proportionality" argument at all. Sloth, greed and carelessness are NOT THE SAME as the deliberate infliction of intentional harm on an innocent population for the purposes of terror. That greedy, lazy plant owner didn't set out to kill people, and he isn't on the lam.

It's just a poor analogy.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. How many BP officials have served time?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:05 PM
Apr 2013

So if I accidentally kill dozens or even hundreds, it's not as bad as deliberately killing one.

To me, each life is equally worthwhile. Careless murder is at least as bad as deliberate murder.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Any attempt to equate these two events is fucking asinine and is a display of piss poor logic.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:12 PM
Apr 2013

This was no "accident." It was deliberate infliction of intentional harm.

As a Bostonian, I find your clueless comments obtuse and objectionable.

And that's the polite way of putting it.

Get down off the soapbox, no one wants to hear that shit. You're embarrassing yourself.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
8. Yes, you are missing a lot. a hell of a lot in fact
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:06 AM
Apr 2013

First, the plant owners are KNOWN. They are not FUGITIVES.

Second, there has not yet been a thorough investigation of the explosion to determine fault so unless you got the last fucking crystal ball that works there is not yet any proof of CRIMINAL wrong-doing.

I agree corporate criminals get away with too much in this country but your analogy is rotten.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
11. Um, no it appears there's a good chance you don't "have it straight".
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:13 AM
Apr 2013

For one thing, how do you know that the "faceless plant owners" will "undoubtedly' never serve a day in jail?

Probably not a good day for shark jumping or expounding on the evils of capitalism, careless or otherwise.

Just sayin'.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
16. I may well be jumping to conclusions,
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:06 PM
Apr 2013

but in all of the past similar incidents, the corporate owners never face any consequences.

HiddenInVA

(50 posts)
20. One was an accident, the other was deliberate?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:14 PM
Apr 2013

Just saying....

Not quite sure how you definitely know that the fertilizer plant's
owner(s) will never serve any jail-time, if found criminally negligent
of something, but hey, maybe I'm clueless....

Accidents happen - a far cry from two nut-jobs who deliberately
manufacture a pair of IEDs, place them, then detonate them in
the midst of a national event...

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
21. You forgot about all the amputations, and people maimed for life in Boston.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

There are already victims with brain damage, facially disfigured and suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

You seem to be trivializing this tragedy.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
23. What's being trivialized is what happened in Texas.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 07:08 PM
Apr 2013

There is wall-to-wall coverage of events in Boston. Texas? Yawn, people died and were injured, no big deal. At least that's what I'm getting from the difference in coverage.

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