*Chaos in Watertown, MA - Cops Under Fire, Suspects Have Grenades*

[ChangeUp106]

Last edited Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:19 AM - Edit history (1)

From Boston scanner: http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/6254/web

Two "Middle Eastern men"...carjacking...heading to NY...one armed...one with slight facial hair...one has darker skin....about 5-7 and 5-9 tall.

"Shots fired from vehicle"

THEY HAVE EXPLOSIVES/GRENADES

UPDATE: If you are just tuning in there was a report of a carjacking by two Middle Eastern males about 30 minutes ago. From what I can gather they took off for NYC. Along the way they began shooting at cops and then started throwing grenades. They have been forced out of the car in Watertown, MA. Now they have placed "packages" around the area.

2 suspects in custody.

Apologies for typing Watertown, Connecticut. I was wrapped up in this and thought I heard CT.

[elleng]

1. @ watertown a moment ago,

could be a long listen.

'They have explosives . . . grendades.'

[JimDandy]

2. They have explosives and grenades.. Loud explosion

[maddezmom]

3. Yikes... Shots fired

Grenades and explosives. Explosions. Oh shit.

[Poll_Blind]

4. Wait, what is this? Explosives?

PB

[elleng]

5. Somehow cops know they have explosives.

Listening?
'Stolen SUV from State police.''

[maddezmom]

6. Stolen SUV form State Police

[Poll_Blind]

7. "There are explosives here at the scene." "I need backup with long guns."

What the fuck?

PB

[AtheistCrusader]

273. First responding officers only had pistols?! Shit fire...

[JimDandy]

8. Explosives here at the scene. Officer down. 94 Spruce St.

[elleng]

9. 'Supposed to be an officer down . . .'

Street address given.

[Poll_Blind]

10. Hey guys, what the fuck is this? This sounds insane. nt

PB

[maddezmom]

14. Boston Police, Fire and EMS Live Audio Feed

And it is completely fucked up.

[freshwest]

101. Have you got a link for that? I can't get it from what's on these other posts.

I was able to get the scanner from NYC fine during Sandy when it was posted here..

Let this be them, let them catch these guys. And I hate it that they're after the police.

But what they're using is not that hard to find in the USA. Not really.

[maddezmom]

139. It is the one in the OP but it isn't working for me now either

Sorry.

[freshwest]

144. The television station live link is working for me, thanks.

They just arrested someone...

[JimDandy]

11. Setting up a perimeter.

[Union Scribe]

12. I'm watching at:

http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive

[Poll_Blind]

21. +1 thank you. Is this about the Boston marathon bombing or MIT or...

...are these two events related somehow?

PB

[Union Scribe]

24. Sure thing. It's MIT and an armed robbery

That are both developing, but not sure if connected. Right now they're saying it isn't related to the marathon bombing.

[greyl]

28. Same here, holy shit!

Reporter is right there, sounds like escaping for safety, cops with guns drawn retreating.
http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive/

[Union Scribe]

33. "Get back there's a hand grenade" he says now.

Fuggin hell!

Edit: he heard it from an EMT

[geek tragedy]

39. This has to be the marathon bombers. nt

[winter is coming]

50. Unfortunately, this country has plenty of ugly to go around.

It could be totally unrelated.

[geek tragedy]

54. IEDs being tossed out of car windows

I don't believe in coincidences

[winter is coming]

66. I heard grenades, not IEDs, but clearly some serious shit is going down.

I hope it is them, because that would mean they'd been located.

[avaistheone1]

177. It makes me wonder. It seems like too much of a coincidence.

[freshwest]

94. I'm getting: HTTP Error: 503 (Service Unavailable). Got something else? Police scanner?

[Union Scribe]

100. Try this one from maddezmom

http://csm-e-use1-1.cds1.yospace.com/csm/live/49753911.hls

[freshwest]

108. I already tried that, it shows itself as an application. I defaulted it to iTunes and it won't start

Thanks, I appreciate it. Guess I'll just keep scanning this thread..

[Union Scribe]

110. Here's another

I know what the URL says but it's a live stream too

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

[freshwest]

123. Thanks, that is working for me. Page says one officer killed.

[elleng]

13. 'Setting up a perimeter.'

Patch up with Watertown.
2d officer down.

[Poll_Blind]

15. "Definitely second officer down." "Handgrenades and automatic gunfire."

Jesus.

PB

[freshwest]

116. Oh, no, I hate this shit.

[JimDandy]

16. Many ambulances and police headed over. Spruce and Lincoln

[elleng]

17. 'Few miles from MIT incident.'

Uncertain whether its related to MIT shooting.

[geek tragedy]

18. Dexter and laurel, Watertown ma

https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&q=watertown+massachusetts&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e3781cf631d07d:0x5f45f12250c66e25,Watertown,+MA&gl=us&ei=oM9wUa6LLdWs4AP4_IHQBw&ved=0CDMQ8gEwAA

[maddezmom]

19. Another link to live TV coverage

http://csm-e-use1-1.cds1.yospace.com/csm/live/49753911.hls

[longship]

37. OMFG! Listen to this feed ^^^

All hell is breaking loose.

[MissB]

41. Thanks for that.

[maddezmom]

43. I am actually listening to both

[freshwest]

90. I can't get it to open. Is there a scanner like we had for Hurricane Sandy link?

I was able to listen to that.

[Poll_Blind]

45. What plays HLS? Does VideoLan do it? nt

PB

[maddezmom]

49. I hate to say this but I have no idea what HLS is

I am on my Ipad and it just plays for me.

[Poll_Blind]

69. I can't get that link to play, trying to figure out what plays it. nt

PB

[maddezmom]

79. It's QuickTime for me

[Poll_Blind]

81. Thanks, I'll try that! nt

PB

[freshwest]

136. Okay, I'll try QT. I had tried iTunes. I'll see.

[winter is coming]

85. Try this link, from post #12

http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive

[Poll_Blind]

86. That's working for me, thanks! nt

PB

[PoliticAverse]

327. Yes Videolan handles it. Media->Open Network Stream

Then paste in: http://csm-e-use1-1.cds1.yospace.com/csm/live/49753911.hls

[freshwest]

211. Maddezmom, I set default when I tried to open this to iTunes and it didn't work.

Then I saw the post saying it works on QuickTime but now it keeps going back to iTunes. If you know how to make it stop doing that, please let me know.

I'd like to be able to get these to work in the future. Although right now I am listening to live coverage on the TV station link.

TIA if you can help.

[maddezmom]

213. I would love to help

But I have no idea.

[freshwest]

224. That's one of the problems I've had. Choose the wrong app and a choice is never offered again. Sigh.

Thanks anyway.

[seabeyond]

20. this is all so crazy. wow. nt

[JimDandy]

22. Ambulance may have a suspect

[renegade000]

23. i heard three booms from my house in somerville...

[Manifestor_of_Light]

62. Yikes! You're right next to Cambridge.

I remember going to Steve's Ice Cream in 1976.

Stay safe.

[geek tragedy]

25. White male, blonde hair, pajamas

[JimDandy]

26. One of suspects on foot.

[JimDandy]

27. Black mercedes at Lincoln and Spruce

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Reporter bugged out...police guns drawn but retreating?

Police bugging out.

[Union Scribe]

30. Shit the WHDH reporter said cops have weapons drawn

on someone but they're "backing up" and people are running then they let the reporter go so he could "take cover."

[maddezmom]

31. Reporting an IED on Laurel in Watertown, Emergency vehicles are backing up

[Poll_Blind]

32. Package on roadway, calling for bomb disposal. (IIRC) nt

pB

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. Reporter: everyone get back, there's a hand grenade...Watertown

Cops retreated from suspect with guns drawn. Grenade possible, not confirmed.

[MissB]

35. Wtf?

What the heck is going on?

[Poll_Blind]

42. Something fucked up is unfolding. Some kind of carjacking of a police vehicle or something...

...suspects with automatic weapons and explosives. Two police already reported down. Explosives planted or left in at least two locations. Police have been ordered to power down their own cellphones in order not to inadvertently not set off explosive devices.

In short: CRAZY.

PB

[MissB]

46. It's all a bit too much cray-cray.

Who does this sort of thing? I know criminals are stupid and all that, but damn.

[Poll_Blind]

48. I don't know. I really don't know. This seems...I dunno. Like you said, cray-cray. nt

PB

[winter is coming]

58. People on drugs? People with previous felonies who know that

another felony will get them prison for a long, long time?

[AgingAmerican]

253. The bombers, we now knoe

[winter is coming]

261. Sure didn't take long after the FBI released those photos. n/t

[Poll_Blind]

36. Police informed their own cell phones may set off "unexploded ordinance". Ordered to...

...power down all cell phones just now.

PB

[freshwest]

141. Oh, wow. MIT, sorry, IDK the area - is Watertown a Boston suburb?

[Poll_Blind]

38. Robot bomb disposal on upland street, second device planted where officer is down.

Package on the ground at 543 Mt. Auburn (?).

PB

[maddezmom]

40. Multiple locations of devices. Now telling officers to power down all cell phones.

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. It's unbelievable that they haven'tbroken in with this on the networks!

They jump the gun on an arrest, but it's too late at night to cover multiple explosives in Boston area? Thank goodness for local news.

[TDale313]

56. Just now...

Went to breaking news on CNN.

[davekriss]

60. Msnbc had it on briefly but then lost the feed

[maddezmom]

61. CNN has now broken with breaking news banner

Nothing on MSNBC yet.

[alcibiades_mystery]

65. Live on CNN now

I think these are the bombers. Insane.

[maddezmom]

73. At first I was thinking just random crimes but after explosives and IED's

You got to wonder.

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. Could be MIT cop ID'ed them, then the initial shooting, then chase

Incredible to watch this unfold.

[ZRT2209]

47. Dear God in Heaven, WTF is going on?

[ellisonz]

51. What the hell is going on?

[jpak]

52. Watertown MASS

ugh

[maddezmom]

53. Officer missing on Spruce Street? I guess unaccounted for at this time.

[geek tragedy]

57. They found him. nt

[edbermac]

55. Watertown MA, see if you can edit your subject line

WTF is going on?

[anneboleyn]

63. wait is this connected to the MIT thing? I am so confused

[edbermac]

70. might be, still much confusion

watertown next town over from cambridge

[elleng]

59. No discussion that 'suspects in custody.'

Very active developing crime scene, armored vehicle, police w large guns, ambulance.

[dkf]

64. So it's all wrapped up then?

[longship]

67. The inevitable and very sad question.

Is there a connection?

I cannot afford to stream anymore due to bandwidth limits.

Please keep us curious folks updated as facts come to light.

Seems to me that these guys have an agenda to fight their way out of what has become a sticky situation.

Boston Marathon bombers on the lamb? Seems like a lot of mayhem for one week in Boston.

What info do we have here?

[Yo_Mama]

74. Quote

If this isn't the bombers, but a separate incident, this is the most bananas f'ed up week in Boston since, roughly, the Revolutionary War

http://inagist.com/all/325112755701035008/

[longship]

87. That's a big 10-4, so to speak.

The connection is almost inevitable.

Why else?

Waiting for more updates.

Thanks much.

[Poll_Blind]

75. No info, really, at the moment. This country has 300m people. It could be unconnected. nt

PB

[SoCalDem]

92. CNN actually has live coverage..if you are near a tv

[longship]

109. No cable here, Manistee National Forest.

Lots of aminals, little infrastructure.

I have iPhone and electricity, all the rest I supply myself.

Oh! And the USPS. We have that, too.

[SoCalDem]

115. They have Rosemary Church reporting on tv..CNN-International

It's always nice when the international team reports.. They are real reporters..

[Tx4obama]

68. The whole F***ing world has gone crazy! n/t

[TDale313]

77. Yeah, pretty much.

[SoCalDem]

120. Well, maybe not entirely. This is good policework (if it's "the guys")

This is what police/FBI love about their jobs..catching the bad guys..and quickly

[seabeyond]

131. was a heavy white man laying on the street. doesnt look like the suspects to bombing.

just from that.

cambridge bomb squad pulled up. odd

[SoCalDem]

143. Everyone is jumpy.. this may be about the MIT thing

and everyone's just checking everything.

In any case a cop (2 cops?) have lost their lives in the MIT incident..

[ChangeUp106]

71. Must Be Them

Who else would have grenades and packages?

[MissB]

76. Right?

How many criminals use hand grenades and explosives? If any of that is true.

Weird.

[kenny blankenship]

97. They have video of one guy on the ground

He's neither one of the suspects at the Marathon.

[MadBadger]

72. Boston seems like Gotham at this point

[anneboleyn]

78. CNN saying all cellphones are off -- undetonated explosives!

[Poll_Blind]

82. The folks at CNN are probably reading this DU thread. I'm not kidding, either. nt

PB

[nobodyspecial]

89. Well, if they are

their track record will improve. DU gets it right more often than the media.

[Poll_Blind]

93. You got that right! nt

PB

[winter is coming]

114. And they do it again!

Speculating that one of the suspect is Suspect 1 because he "generally resembles" the photo.

[geek tragedy]

83. "2nd suspect in custody" nt

[anneboleyn]

84. CNN saying one suspect in custody, at Beth Israel

[anneboleyn]

88. Homeland security (possibly, reporter not certain), FBI on scene (CNN)

[npk]

91. Police say 1 of the suspects in custody, but the other is still at large

Looks like these suspects from the Bombing have decided they will not be taken alive.

UPDATE: Well maybe the second suspect is the one laying on the ground at gunpoint. Gees this is crazy.

[Jon Ace]

95. -SNIP-

False info. My apologies.

[Tx4obama]

99. Really?

[Jon Ace]

104. Trying to get a hold of a verifying source (nt)

[Poll_Blind]

105. I didn't hear any of that. What feed are you listening to? nt

PB

[winter is coming]

130. Thanks for editing that before it mutated and propagated. n/t

[jpak]

96. Suspect on ground - appears not to be "Middle Eastern"

n/t

[anneboleyn]

102. Was that at MIT? It is TOTAL CHAOS on CNN right now.

[elleng]

112. No, not @ MIT,

MAY have come from MIT, but in Watertown, MA.

tv live:
http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive

[jpak]

113. Very near - video showed suspect on ground arms spread, legs crossed

no gun or object near person

[freshwest]

162. TV station says policeman at MIT(?) confirmed dead. One suspect arrested. Still not over, though.

[Catherine Vincent]

98. I can't believe what is happening now

This guy looks dead. Explosives on him?

[geek tragedy]

103. In backyard at 100 dexter ave?

[King_Klonopin]

226. I used to live in that neighborhood.

It is very ethnic with Greek, Middle Eastern, Armenian families --
and it is a great area to live in. It is only a few minutes from MIT.
IF there is a "Middle East" connection, then this would make sense.

[JimDandy]

106. Police not approaching suspect who is flat on the ground

because of possibility that supect has explosives set to go off if they do.

[Union Scribe]

124. The police look like they're 50 feet back from him. nt

[suffragette]

107. WTF

[Poll_Blind]

111. ---> BBC running with this, hashtag #watertown nt

PB

[npk]

117. CNN reporter stating one of the suspects in Watertown/MIT shooting matches description of Marathon

Bomber.

[Poll_Blind]

119. I would take that with a HUGE grain of salt. nt

PB

[maddezmom]

122. Believe me I am.

[npk]

126. Well it is CNN. But who knows. n/t

[winter is coming]

121. Matches the *general* description. And they don't know for sure that there's any connection

to the MIT shooting although it certainly seems probable.

[longship]

180. In other words, two arms, two legs, a body and a head.

Yeppers, that fits the description of those marethom bommers. Hilk! Hilk! This is See En En, by golly.

[winter is coming]

183. But, of course, "dark skinned" was mentioned. n/t

[jpak]

127. Another explosion - Bomb Squad on site

n/t

[maddezmom]

118. One of the suspects was made to disrobe fully before being taken into custody

Gabe Rameriz a photo journalist says he could fit suspect number 1 description.

[npk]

134. I guess that is why CNN or whoever cameras those were pulled away from the shot

of the man on the ground with his hands out in front of him.

[gateley]

125. Now they're saying two suspects apprehended -- but they're not saying they're the

Marathon suspects. Could be the MIT suspects?

[anneboleyn]

128. Per FOX: Caucasian male in custody. Another at large, ARMED AND DANGEROUS (police scanner)

[AverageJoe90]

194. Thanks.

I figured they probably weren't Middle Eastern.....

[gateley]

129. Am just now seeing FBI guys there. I'm late to the party.

[seabeyond]

138. they did say fbi was there. nt

[FailureToCommunicate]

132. Pic of suspect on the ground

Just heard "2nd suspect NOT in custody yet"

[ChangeUp106]

135. Not a Suspect

Suspect was forced to strip and was taken away. This guy might just be a witness

[FailureToCommunicate]

147. Pic is just before he had to strip ??

[anneboleyn]

150. Saying this now. He is no longer a suspect, apparently

[Union Scribe]

142. Great still, thank you. nt

[lady lib]

146. Arresting somebody right now. nt

[FailureToCommunicate]

186. New report sez this kid was just caught up in things. No longer a suspect...

[gateley]

133. MSNBC covering it now. Don't know who has the better affiliates.

[npk]

137. I would guess CNN has more affiliates, but that is just a guess. n/t

[FailureToCommunicate]

140. NBC local WHDH (FIOS channel 7) has their reporter and cameraman ON THE SCENE

[SoCalDem]

149. CNN-I is covering it..good coverage..Martin Savidge/Rosemary Church

[Tx4obama]

153. I'm streaming both MSNBC and CNN - and flipping back and forth on the mute buttons :) n/t

[gateley]

160. I'm flipping, too -- but it would drive me nuts to have it muted!

[Tx4obama]

161. Huh? Can't listen to two live-streams at one time :) n/t

[Union Scribe]

167. Ya got two ears!

[gateley]

178. I've got the TV on. :-)

[Le Taz Hot]

145. Does anyone have a live feed link

that works? None of the links above are working for me. Even tried my iPhone. Nada.

On edit: Thanks boys/girls below! I switched to Opera and am having better luck than I was having with Firefox.

[MissB]

151. One of those upthread works on my iPad. The csm one.

[lady lib]

152. It's not great, but here

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

[Tx4obama]

155. MSNBC and CNN below

MSNBC: http://tvpc.com/Channel.php?ChannelID=19752

CNN: http://tvpc.com/Channel.php?ChannelID=19755

[jpak]

158. Here

http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive/

[Rowdyboy]

220. I'm having no problem with this

http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/

[Recursion]

148. "We're watching an arrest being made right now"

Nobody seems to know what's going on though.

[ErikJ]

157. Sounds like the jig is up.

[ChangeUp106]

154. That arrest didn't sound like the guy had any involvement

Sounds like the poor guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time

[BlueCheese]

156. Giant grain of salt...

More likely related to MIT robbery/murder of police officer than marathon bombings?

Friend in Watertown reports helicopters overhead...

[anneboleyn]

159. CNN saying FBI definitely there at the scene (Watertown, unsure about MIT)

[npk]

166. Could that be because of the Law Enforcement Officer being killed earlier at MIT

I don't know.

[maddezmom]

169. The local news also said they have HLS on site n/t

[Union Scribe]

163. WHDH: "Still an active search"

2 in custody though, not sure if man on ground was suspect?

[winter is coming]

168. not...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2706173

[Union Scribe]

176. Wow, thanks

Dang if he's got nothing to do with it, this has to have been a nightmarish situation for him. Yikes.

[winter is coming]

179. No doubt, but as chaotic as things are right now, I'm not suprised they stopped

someone who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I wish they'd stop cycling through footage of the guy, though.

[Hissyspit]

165. Ravi Somaiya ‏@ravisomaiya 9m Local resident says two men threw what appeared to be "pressure cooker

Ravi Somaiya ?@ravisomaiya 9m
Local resident says two men threw what appeared to be "pressure cooker bomb" at police. Bomb robot still on Laurel St, he says.
Retweeted by Asher Wolf

[octoberlib]

170. NYT reporter tweets

@ravisomaiya says second suspect broke police barrier with SUV, headed west.




Ravi Somaiya ?@ravisomaiya 8m
Local resident says two men threw what appeared to be "pressure cooker bomb" at police. Bomb robot still on Laurel St, he says.
Expand
Ravi Somaiya ?@ravisomaiya 20m
Two shooters in Boston were engaged in a shootout with dozens of cops. Armed with explosives in backpacks, witness tells us.

Ravi Somaiya ?@ravisomaiya 35m
Police yelling "put your hands above your head", reports @jessbidgood. She was told by cop to turn off cellphone if she wanted to live.


https://twitter.com/ravisomaiya

[winter is coming]

175. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2706173

[jpak]

172. Timeline more or less

Armed robbery at 7-11
MIT Officer shot
Mercedes carjacked in Kendall Square
Watertown PD pursuit
Shots fired - "explosions"
One suspect taken to Beth Israel
Other person arrested

[winter is coming]

181. Assuming it's the same perps, who in the hell robs a 7-11 and then

counterattacks with explosives after being pursued?

[avaistheone1]

184. This is insane.

[alcibiades_mystery]

187. Somebody who blew up the Boston Marathon, and suddenly needs money to flee?

[winter is coming]

190. If so, the explosions in Watertown are a last-ditch effort to create distraction and escape?

And let's not think about what the explosives had originally been intended for.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

195. Then they were completely disorganized amateurs

who would bomb a Marathon without even having prepared a car for a getaway or have money to live on. Very odd.

[winter is coming]

196. And shooting a cop? Genius move. n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

205. In for a penny, in for a pound

[alcibiades_mystery]

202. Arrogant sociopaths who think they're smarter than everyone else

Then they see their pictures on teevee, know the jig is up, get the idea to flee, get jammed up in this madness.

Of course they're disorganized amateurs. Legends in their own minds.

[kestrel91316]

232. Somebody who wants to bait cops into a confrontation so they can lob

grenades and bombs at them?? Rather than wanting money from a penny ante robbery?

[winter is coming]

235. Why steal the car? It would make more sense to have a vehicle, salted with weapons,

before initiating a confrontation.

[caseymoz]

322. If they threw a pressure cooker bomb

It's the guys. Maybe it wasn't a robbery at the 7-11 or didn't start out like that. Maybe somebody recognized the guys.

[BlueCheese]

189. There's talk about robberies at gas stations too?

[winter is coming]

192. I heard that mentioned once in passing. Two different gas stations near the current scene. n/t

[jpak]

198. Local news reported armed robbery @ 7-11 @ Central Square

the MIT officer was shot shortly thereafter

[winter is coming]

203. I heard a Shell station and a Philips station mentioned, but it wasn't clear if that was real

or just shit flying around in the chaos.

[BlueCheese]

212. Apparently the carjacking happened at a gas station, according to WHDH.

Maybe the MIT officer was responding to that when he was shot and killed?

[winter is coming]

214. Could be. NYT says he was responding to a disturbance, but I've heard on TV that

he was responding to a "shots fired" report.

[ChangeUp106]

174. Video from the Scene

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152778880075249

[alcibiades_mystery]

182. Boston cops seem to be taking lead

Over Cambridge cops, who would run the show if it was a Cambridge murder at issue (MIT). Watertown cops deferring. State police in big presence.

[avaistheone1]

185. Boston cops are tough.

[UtahLib]

197. Sounds like they're doing a remarkable job!

[BlueCheese]

188. Confusing...

Odd that run-of-the-mill armed robbers would have explosives. Of course media reports in the heat of the moment are unreliable.

[npk]

199. I would be shocked if this Watertown incident is not connected to Marathon bombing, but...

Who really knows. I guess it could be unrelated, but if it is then this is really screwed up.

[jpak]

191. Police Helicopter on scene orbiting Watertown

n/t

[maddezmom]

193. CNN saying only one person arrested

I am so confused right now, but still looks like an active scene.

[winter is coming]

200. My understanding (which could be wrong), is that

one suspect has gone to the hospital, the other is at large, and that guy they showed prostrate on the ground was a bystander who's been cleared.

[maddezmom]

204. That is my understanding as well

[Union Scribe]

201. Do you know what station they're using? nt

[maddezmom]

210. Not sure n/t

[Union Scribe]

219. I just didn't want to second hearing details

from another station if it's really the same one CNN is using. If I did it might be "actionable"

[maddezmom]

223. Gotcha

[jpak]

206. Local News now reports only one person shot taken to Beth Israel

Second suspect still at large

[shawmut]

207. Video of shooting

https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10152778880075249

[alcibiades_mystery]

215. Jeeee-zus!

That's a lot of rounds.

[AtheistCrusader]

283. Side item, for those not familiar...

That was NOT automatic weapons fire. (Someone upthread reported there was)

That is multiple shooters, firing semi-auto. Sounds like pistols too.

[steve2470]

208. NY Times article with some new details

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/explosives-detonated-in-massachusetts-standoff.html?hp&_r=1&

Two young men, armed with guns and explosives in what appeared to be backpacks, engaged in a violent standoff with dozens of police on a street in Watertown, Mass., Thursday night, a resident said.

Andrew Kitzenburg, 29, said he looked out of this third floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets shooting at dozens of police officers from behind a black Mercedes SUV. The officers and the men were 70 yards apart, he said, and engaged in “constant gunfire.”

A police SUV “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway.

The two shooters, he said, had a large and unwieldy bomb. “They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it. But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and one of the two men ran towards the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said.

*more at link above*

[neverforget]

216. Sounds like them to me

IF that report is correct

[suffragette]

217. Yikes. That's scary reading

The residents there must be terrified.

[winter is coming]

221. No kidding. Glad it's not me.

At least, not yet.

[suffragette]

233. Are you near there?

[winter is coming]

239. No. It just seems like every time you turn around anymore, there's some sort of

mass violence occurring.

[suffragette]

245. True that. Sadly so.

[octoberlib]

209. National Guard has been called in

BuzzFeed News ?@BuzzFeedNews 2m
National Guard is on scene assisting in Watertown pic.twitter.com/KqmzzulIDK (@ProvFireVideos)


Adam Weinstein ?@AdamWeinstein 2m
Consensus among cops on suspects' choice of armaments: "it was definitely long guns." #AssaultWeapons

[quinnox]

230. jesus

Wow, all these happenings, its stunning

[FailureToCommunicate]

218. My brother is nearby in Watertown calling (land line)...several helicopters still overhead...police

cars all over his street...

[FailureToCommunicate]

256. Policeman is walking around his house right now...and searching cars coming down street...

[UtahLib]

265. That's so scary, I hope your brother is keeping his head down. n/t

[FailureToCommunicate]

279. We're following reddit and reports advise residents to move to the rear of their homes...

(...in case of explosions??)

[Union Scribe]

268. Oh wow.

I think I'd be under my bed at that point!

[FailureToCommunicate]

282. Lights off... peeking out the window....

[Hekate]

222. Out here in California just trying to make sense of all this input

DU, CNN, MSNBC >rattles head<

Helluva coinkydink if you ask me. Insanity all around.

[avaistheone1]

231. Too much of a coinkydink.

Are these guys the Marathon bombers? Are they members of some kind of group connected to the Marathon bombers? Are they sympathizers? copycats?

Hhmm...Where there is smoke there is fire...

[BlueCheese]

225. Boston.com now saying that one Marathon suspect in custody.

"according to official".

Again, big grain of salt. But this is a massive police presence for your vanilla criminals, even those who have shot at police.

[MadBadger]

227. Boston Globe is reporting that One Marathon Suspect has been caught

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

[Union Scribe]

228. I so hope they're right!

and that they get the second before he can reach any more weapons or explosives.

[Zorra]

229. I hope so.

[Union Scribe]

234. They're saying that the one shot suspect is dead. nt

[avaistheone1]

238. I have a good deal of faith in the Boston Globe's reporting.

[ohheckyeah]

250. Not really what they are saying:

Authorities would not comment on whether the events were connected to Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings. At least one of the suspects in Watertown appeared to be a man in his 20s.

[MadBadger]

264. Well its certainly what the Globe is saying

[ohheckyeah]

271. That quote is from the Globe article that was linked to.

WATERTOWN — One suspect in Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings has been captured, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation. Another remains on the loose in Watertown after a firefight with police. Authorities have established a 20-block perimeter as they search for him.

A scene of chaos descended on Cambridge and Watertown late Thursday night and early Friday morning, as police confirmed an MIT police officer was shot and killed, and an apparent carjacking led police on a wild chase into Watertown.

Witnesses in Watertown said they heard explosions. Police officers were screaming about improvised explosive devices.

Authorities would not comment on whether the events were connected to Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings. At least one of the suspects in Watertown appeared to be a man in his 20s.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

I'm not trying to start a fight - just quoting from the article unless you have another Boston Globe article. I believe they are from the marathon bombing.

[kenny blankenship]

236. Suspect in hospital has died

Other is still loose.

[Union Scribe]

241. I hope they take the other one alive

otherwise who knows if anyone else involved will be discovered.

[avaistheone1]

252. Link to that statement please.

[Union Scribe]

263. No link but it's Steve Cooper of WHDH who reported that. nt

[avaistheone1]

272. Thank you.

[kenny blankenship]

293. He got better

apparently, but that could change at any moment.

[avaistheone1]

302. wtf?

[JimDandy]

237. One of the suspects is dead, one on the run.

[BlueCheese]

240. WHDH reporter's source says that the suspect taken to Beth Israel is dead.

If true, that's too bad. If he was a marathon suspect, it would have been useful if he could talk.

[ChangeUp106]

242. We Gotta Get the Other One Alive. Too many Questions

[npk]

243. I agree, but that is likely up to the suspect

If he decides to shoot it out with police then police will likely have no choice but to use deadly force against him. I think these suspects will do everything they can to NOT be taken alive, but that is just a guess.

[ChangeUp106]

244. Oh Absolutley Understand About Cops Having to Fire Back

Let's hope they can get the s.o.b alive somehow

[npk]

249. I also hope so. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

247. We will probably find out just who he is

Which should give us a hint as to why he did it.

[BlueCheese]

246. FBI has released more photos of marathon suspects.

This Watertown incident has to be related. Too much of a coincidence for two pairs of psychopaths to strike in the Boston area in two days, right?

[BlueCheese]

251. Link here.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston

[jpak]

248. Local news reported new FBI photos of bombing suspect - black hat dude

n/t

[kenny blankenship]

259. Mutt and Jeff

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/image/Suspect2closeup

[LeftInTX]

254. On the live WHDH stream: New images of marathon suspects released from FBI

http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive

[ChangeUp106]

255. Scanner: Light Skinned Male with Grey Hoodie and Black Curly Hair

Sounds promising

[frogmarch]

257. "be on the lookout for a white male,

light skin, dark curly hair. should be considered armed and dangerous"

[MadBadger]

258. Reports that White Hat guy is the At Large Suspect, said to be armed with a rifle and maybe explosiv

https://twitter.com/universalhub

[jpak]

266. What kind of rifle?

n/t

[frogmarch]

267. Yes, I just heard it on the scanner.

Officer said it was the white hat suspect.

[jpak]

260. Local news now reports home surrounded

edit

Hazel & Qumby

[steve2470]

262. Hazel and Quimby nt

[freshwest]

269. BTW, the television station is showing a full face photo of the Boston bomber suspects now:

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon

This photo may be available elsewhere in the morning. The one they are showing now, you can see both of them together. The faces are completely clear.

[Contrary1]

270. ABC just confirmed. Taken alive...one of the suspects in bombing...

Looked like the dark hat guy. Other one still loose.

[steve2470]

274. Watertown scanner:

http://scanner.wickedlocal.com/metro/watertown.php

[npk]

275. CNN now reporting that suspect that stripped naked is being questioned by FBI at the scene.

So who the hell is dead. What suspect is dead. CNN saying feds are questioned suspect #1 that was stripped naked.

[BlueCheese]

280. Maybe bad information again...

But it's not the guy who was lying on his stomach on the ground? That guy must have had the scare of his life if he was just passing by.

[npk]

285. This is the craziest stuff I have ever seen. n/t

[npk]

276. Suspect #1 is NOT DEAD according to CNN. n/t

[jpak]

281. Just pining for the fjords

(sorry - couldn't resist)

[go west young man]

316. Hello Polly!

This is not a cheese shop!

[Union Scribe]

296. Hmm, Steve Cooper @ WHDH still sticking to one suspect being dead

Has anyone else said that independent of him I wonder?

[winter is coming]

301. So CNN says both are alive and in custody and others claim 1 dead, 1 at large?

Hoo boy...

[ChangeUp106]

277. The Men of the Hour

?1

[winter is coming]

289. Black hat guy looks older than I'd initially thought.

I was thinking early 20's, but this guy could easily be 30.

[Turborama]

278. CNN now saying they have got a "suspect" in a police car and another "suspect" has been arrested n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

284. CNN reports naked white dude questioned on curb by FBI, "Middle Eastern" looking guy frogmarched

by in handcuffs.

[npk]

287. Yeah I believe that is what I heard.

CNN guy on TV said they have pictures, but they have to blur them first before they can show them. I guess that is what the CNN desk is doing right now is trying to clean up the pictures.

[Hissyspit]

288. Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery 4m Local here telling stories of being pulled from houses. Each person

Wesley Lowery ?@WesleyLowery 4m
Local here telling stories of being pulled from houses. Each person in homes being laid on ground, questioned by officers
Retweeted by Anthony De Rosa

[ChangeUp106]

286. White Hat is Missing Student From Brown

Name confirmed over scanner

[ohheckyeah]

314. Any more word on this? Is it pretty definite? n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

291. Holy smokes!

[BlueCheese]

292. Wow, really?

[winter is coming]

294. I feel sorry for his family.

They've been worried sick over him and now this.

[frogmarch]

298. My thoughts too. A bad ending

for the family.

[UtahLib]

313. They've probably known since photos were released. So sad for them. n/t

[JimDandy]

295. Yes, the photos of both were so very similar

Especially the one of him with curly hair. So sad for that family.

[UtahLib]

303. That's awful. His family has been frantically searching for him. n/t

[jpak]

311. NECN "another shooting incident"

n/t

[UtahLib]

320. Sorry, NECN? n/t

[Union Scribe]

325. I think that's New England Cable News.

Haven't been watching them, though, and I haven't heard anything about another shooting.

[UtahLib]

350. Thanks. n/t

[steve2470]

297. WHDH confirms on live feed, both men were boston bombing suspects

No word on which one is dead.

[BlueCheese]

299. WHDH still saying one suspect is dead. I think they've fallen behind.

[jpak]

300. Local News reports that local law enforcement claims these are the bomb suspects

One dead

One at large

[pokerfan]

307. At least one at large

7 News reporting

http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive

Good feed here: https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik

[jpak]

304. Local News reports Transit Officer also shot (in addition to MIT officer) - stable condition

[winter is coming]

309. Is this recent or did it happen a while back?

Because there were reports that some officer other than the MIT cop had been shot but then CNN was saying only one officer had been shot.

[steve2470]

305. transit officer has been shot and is in stable condition according to live feed WHDH nt

[FailureToCommunicate]

306. Brother sez action is picking up towards him (west of the initial action) ...more police..

[FailureToCommunicate]

315. Police just told him to get back from his (2nd floor) window

[npk]

308. CNN now showing footage of naked suspect being taken to police car. n/t

[npk]

310. This now according to CNN is the first suspect that was taken into custody. n/t

[Union Scribe]

321. Was there any mention of him in an ambulance?

The Boston Globe article talks about a man in handcuffs being questioned in the back of an ambulance. It's the only mention I've seen/heard of that guy.

[npk]

333. Not 100% sure

But the CNN photo journalists Gabe Ramirez was interviewed and stated that the man was questioned for a long time before being taken to a police car. I am not sure if he was the one questioned in the back of an ambulance.

[Union Scribe]

335. Thanks! nt

[neverforget]

312. Video of shootout in Boston

[caseymoz]

317. Exciting as this is . . .

. . . we're not going to hear anything accurate about this for at least twelve hours. Even if we do, it's going to be buried in bullshit.

I've learned a lesson about crisis situations.

[cali]

319. I just heard the FBI will be holding a briefing in a few minutes

[caseymoz]

324. Well, that'll clear up the generalities

Like how did this start and is this related to the Marathon bombing. If they threw a pressure cooker bomb, it's the Marathon bombers all right.

[FailureToCommunicate]

326. Well,except for all the live reporting, scanners, from the area, including,eh, people we know...

[caseymoz]

329. Which are confused and contradictory.

It used to be called the "fog of war." Now it applies to things like school shootings.

[FailureToCommunicate]

334. Suit yourself. I gonna stay on the phone to my brother for now...

[caseymoz]

339. Of course you will.

I said it was exciting. And you have to try anyway. It's only human.

[FailureToCommunicate]

348. ...

[ChangeUp106]

318. [Not True]

[steve2470]

323. Mass. State Police telling Watertown residents to NOT answer their doors.............

If any concerns about someone at door, call 911 immediately. Repeat--Do not answer door, stay away from windows, keep doors locked.


https://twitter.com/MassStatePolice

[FailureToCommunicate]

330. Got it thanks. Brother heard also. (Kinda logical at 3:45 in the morning)

[go west young man]

328. http://ht.ly/2wgWw3

Suspect name pages.

[MadBadger]

331. They are going house to house

They said something about waiting until light and using that to their advantage

[FailureToCommunicate]

337. If they go 'door to door' and yet have told people NOT to answer the door...

How's that gonna work?

Plus, this guy has carjacked before...he won't wait to hang around till daylight...

[MadBadger]

340. Heard maybe backyards only

[Bernardo de La Paz]

356. Open the door to identified officers. If you have any doubts about ID, call 911.

That is the essence of the warning. Somebody dropped off the part about IDentified officers in passing it from one person to another.

[FailureToCommunicate]

357. That will be easier now in the light of day. Last night in the dark with plainclothed officers

supposedly assisting...less easy.

But thanks

[Union Scribe]

332. WCVB also reporting one suspect dead, one loose.

http://www.wcvb.com/

[kenny blankenship]

338. WHDH has not backed off of the report of a dead suspect all night

Yet the big cheese cable network says "He is risen." Very strange.

[Union Scribe]

342. Quite. The only thing that gives me pause

is the guy they had strip down and questioned and put in a police cruiser. If one was shot, taken to Beth Israel and died, and the other is loose...who's the naked guy? Very strange indeed!

[anneboleyn]

341. FOX confirming that suspect #1 is dead

[Union Scribe]

349. Thanks for the update! nt

[steve2470]

336. Boston.com Live Blog being updated right now:

http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square

[steve2470]

343. FBI statement on law enforcement activity in Greater Boston area:

http://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-releases/2013/law-enforcement-activity-in-greater-boston-area

We are aware of the law enforcement activity in the greater Boston area. The situation is ongoing. We are working with local authorities to determine what happened.

[anneboleyn]

344. On Fox: they are saying that the MIT case is indeed connected to the Watertown situation

[ellisonz]

345. MSNBC suggesting a police officer may have been wounded.

Over the scanner: explosives recovered, two "automatic" handguns.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

346. No sign of this on NBC. Nothing about carjacking.

They are covering the capture of one suspect and the possible death of the other, while saying there is a third suspect at large.

[octoberlib]

347. Boston police commissioner

Edward Davis ?@EdDavis3 2m
One suspect dead. One at large. Armed and dangerous. White hat suspect at large.


https://twitter.com/EdDavis3

[Union Scribe]

353. I guess that settles that confusion. Thank you! nt

[kenny blankenship]

351. SWAT converging on a commercial building

motion detectors inside tripped.

[frogmarch]

352. MSNBC just now confirmed

through info received from two high-ranking law enforcement officers that the two shooters tonight were indeed the marathon bombers. Suspect 2 is dead. Suspect 1, the white hat suspect, is still at large.

[npk]

354. Yep now have it on MSNBC permanently

Just heard that. CNN doesn't have a clue what is going on apparently.

[kenny blankenship]

355. Press Conference at Beth Israel: suspect is dead

I guess that's definitive, bearing in mind that CNN thinks it's still too close to call.