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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI would just like to say that Arabs are Caucasian. And they don't all have beards.
They don't all wear white robes or turbans. Some wear baseball caps. Some wear them backwards. So do some right wingers and some left wingers and some religious people.
I say all that not to imply in *any* way the bombers are or are not Arabs. It is simply to say to anyone who wanted them to be Arabs, the pictures are inconclusive. It is also simply to say that anyone who wanted them to be "white" the pictures are inconclusive. Same for those who wanted them to right wingers or left wingers or religious fanatics of some sort.
I also think the FBI will have these guys soon enough . . . . I'll wait before laying blame.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)That is definitely is the most common factor.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)The baseball cap guy seems so young. Other than that, I couldn't tell you what race they were. Human, but of the subspecies, obviously. How do you walk around with people, look into their eyes, and intentionally blow them up?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It's an effect of testosterone poisoning. Most of us learn how to cope with it in a process called "growing up."
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)..I have to agree with you, sad to say.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)And they can build a bomb by themselves??
I think they had some help.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I disagree with that.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)But to time it 12 seconds later?
with some electronic board?
maybe but its hard to believe they got lucky.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Aren't there tons of hackers and stuff in that age group? Why wouldn't someone of that age be able to do it?
jessie04
(1,528 posts)they are smart enough to build a bomb but not smart enough to realize they are going to be filmed ??
i dont know.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)with bombs. Not surprised by the age at all, if they are the ones that did it.
FreeState
(10,570 posts)much more sophisticated devices.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)They weren't working on cold fusion here. Someone can be 22 and already graduated college with a degree in engineering, chemistry, etc.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Most likely they used the guts from a readily available toy radio controlled car as the detonator in the pressure cooker and set it off by turning on and pressing a button on the RC controller.
With gunpowder in a pressure cooker all you need to do is cause the battery to short through a fine wire in the gunpowder.
haele
(12,640 posts)Just to go "boom" in a field where trees had been cut and still needed to be cleared; one of the fathers knew how to make fireworks along with model rocketry and would supervise them to make sure no one lost fingers. This was back in the mid-1970's; my brother and his friends was around 14.
They learned how to use kitchen timers for the fertilizer-in-a-feed-bag bombs they made to blow up old stumps and clear large rocks in the ground so they wouldn't have to worry about getting clear in time if they were dealing with a long-fuse to that could get screwed by Pacific Northwest weather.
Didn't make them terrorists, in fact, it gave them a lot of respect for chemestry and the power of common household items when used "improperly".
After a few weeks and a half acre of field finally cleared of stumps and large rocks, most of them decided soccer was more fun and never went back.
It doesn't exactly take being a rocket scientist to know how to make a bomb. Just access to the internet and the materials.
Haele
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The internet is full of this sort of information.
I have little doubt my own son would be able to, his brother, a year younger, probably not.
octothorpe
(962 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Everything needed to make a bomb of that type can be bought at a Target or Walmart store.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The instructions are available online and the ingredients not that hard to come by.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)Some talking head said that those kind of bombs are not always that reliable.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)And at 20 I was leading a combat Infantry rifle platoon in Vietnam, and even the youngest guys in the platoon were conversant in explosives and claymore mines.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)the Anarchists Cookbook available for download. Inside that publication are the plans to build this exact bomb. There is also a Taliban released "magazine" that has the same schematics for the same thing (that they probably got from the Anarchists Cookbook). If you can solder and follow directions, you can build this bomb. And if the bomb is detonated remotely, all the guys have to do is sync their watches (or smartphones) and set off the bombs at a planned time.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)fitman
(482 posts)automotive automatic transmissions in my uncles shop at age 14-15
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Minus the schrapnel. Used to take them out into the woods and toss them off the cliff to watch the giant fireballs or blow up abandoned rusted-out cars in the junkyard. I daresay that's borderline-normal where I grew up.
The instructions are in the internet and in many libraries and if you have some creativity and the ability to read between the lines most 6th grade science books. I got them from an older friend. Exploratory bomb-making is unfortunately a pastime of teenaged boys in some rural parts of the country. Other things I learned in backwoods chem-lab: napalm, thermite, stink bombs, smoke bombs, pipe bombs, concussive (exploding) slingshot ammo, rudimentary land-mines, pitch for flaming arrows, homemade fireworks...and despite a lack of interest (non-weapons grade) ricin and phosgene are not out of the realm of capabilities of your average preteen. None of these things are terribly difficult. There's about a 90% likelihood that the means to blow your entire neighborhood sky-high are under your kitchen sink if you know how to mix them in the right proportions.
We'd probably have more interest in STEM courses if we taught the less-harmful of these things in middle-school science class. I hated science class...I was probably most of the way through college before I realized my after-school hobby at 13 was science.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)I will be VERY surprised if the tea leaves are lying.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)The one in the white hat? Very noticeably bowlegged. To a degree that I can't recall ever seeing among anyone in the US (unless it was the result of an injury). That sort of bowleggedness is the result of rickets or some other childhood health issue (and rickets? Pretty much unknown in the States because of vitamin D fortification of milk).
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts)Christian or Muslim seem to be the TERRORISTS in the world.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_belt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
And more recently, a number of bombings of Iranian scientists.
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts)Yes, Manachim Begin was a terrorist against the British to get them out... Hindu's as well.
The British Empire....
... not American soil.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You said "in the world", not "in America".
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Waiting to lay blame is the wisest course here.
jsr
(7,712 posts)haele
(12,640 posts)No matter what they think they are fighting for - if they have a cause at all, it comes down to the fact that deep down, they feel they're not respected enough, and setting off a bomb makes them someone to be reckoned with.
That's the singular truth to any activist for any cause, positive or negative. They have time on their hands and feel they have nothing left to lose.
I was a kid living in the U district of Seattle when "radical students" set off large bombs twice/three times? (that I remember) at UW buildings after hours to protest Vietnam, or to fight for the various rights or causes they thought weren't being seriously addressed in the late 1960's. It was pipe bombs then - not much different than the pressure cooker bombs now.
The Boston bombings did not feel like a new situation at all to me.
Haele
Hekate
(90,560 posts)... especially in places where, historically, many different tribes have passed through and/or dwelt. Since discrete groups tend to marry among themselves, these traits remain distinct. So ... some are white, some are brown, some look Asian, and so on and so on.
I agree. The photos so far are pretty ambiguous.
Part of me so much wants them to be American, just because we have so many hate-groups of our own anyway, and because I really, really, really don't want the warmongers to push the country into yet another war.
What a bloody mess.
doublethink
(6,818 posts)Ha and Americans (the melting pot of the world from way back) don't? Too funny. But you carry on. Peace.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)doublethink
(6,818 posts)Brooklyns_Finest
(789 posts)To some people, American means white people.