Suspects 1 and 2: Phase 3 of Speculation can begin.

[TalkingDog]

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/photos

This be them.

[cilla4progress]

1. Dare I say..

a couple of white kids?

[TalkingDog]

2. There is speculation, and I quote:

"Khakis and white t-shirts are pretty indicative of either a Lib or Muslim."

from the great minds at Free Republic

[NightWatcher]

6. Anyone who doesn't have their name on their belt is either a lib or muslin

[jpak]

11. LOL!

[Arrowhead2k1]

3. They look like they have middle eastern features to me.

Possibly even Afghan ancestry. The fact that the government seemingly has no intel on these guys yet leads me to believe these are homegrown Islamic terrorists.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

5. A co worker said Armenian as far as the one in the white hat

I'm not sure myself.

[Arrowhead2k1]

7. Their clothes are very much American.

Either they chose that clothing just to try to blend in, or they really dress like that as they are American citizens themselves.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

10. Clothing is easily changed

The 9/11 hijackers were wearing American/western style clothes, too. Doesn't amount to much IMO.

[Arrowhead2k1]

13. I was reading too fast.

I've just realized you said your co-worker says they look Armenian, not American.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

16. Ha! No worries.

[JI7]

12. regardless of race, religione etc, they do have the American look to them

you know how people of certain ethnicity but are american can go to the old country where most people are of the same race and/or religion but people can still tell they are american ?

[LeftInTX]

18. I'm Armenian. You can't tell from the pics

He does look Middle Eastern, but it would be very difficult to decipher the various ME ethnic groups from surveillance photos.

[HiPointDem]

25. sure, an armenian. that's the ticket.

[LeftInTX]

15. The guy in the white cap looks middle eastern to me

Can't see the guy in the dark cap. He's got his cap down. I also wonder if the guy in the dark cap is wearing sunglasses?

They guy in the white cap appears to be casually texting with relaxed body language.

The guy in the dark cap appears to have guarded body language.

[magical thyme]

17. there's a close up profile of the guy in a white cap

in another thread. He looks American and white in that photo.

[arcane1]

4. Did they say why these two are the suspects?

I missed the press conference, so I have no idea... do they have photos/footage of them planting the bombs too, and just aren't sharing that?

[Marrah_G]

9. yes, of the guy in the white hat

[magical thyme]

20. a store security video shows him dropping the backpack

where one of the bombs was.

[arcane1]

28. Excellent, thanks!!

[JI7]

8. they look like Ron Paul supporters to me

[NightWatcher]

14. I'll bet cash there's a Ron Paul and infowars bumperstickers on their cars

[RZM]

19. Can you also tell what their favorite ABBA song is?

I'm guessing 'Fernando'

[elehhhhna]

33. lol

boxers or briefs?

omg du has crossed the rubicon

[Agschmid]

36. Love that song... just FYI. n/t

[MattBaggins]

43. 100 bucks they like that Miracle Whip crap as well

that alone would grounds to convict them.

[mzteris]

21. The oddest thing about this guy

. . . his pants legs are rolled up about 4 times.


The other thing that struck me - and I realize the pics aren't the best quality, but I swear, do all the pictures of a single guy - look all that similar. Not for either man. Weird camera angles. Lighting. The pics just look almost like different people.

(And just to be very clear - yes, I know there are two suspects with two sets of pictures. I'm talking about each individual with their own set of pictures. . . )

[TalkingDog]

22. I agree about them looking different. But as somebody who studies faces for a living

I can tell you that both the degree of clarity (pixel count) and the inherent flatness of a 2-D image, can greatly screw up your perception of what a person looks like.

[flamingdem]

24. Yes, I don't think it's that easy to ID these guys with those photos

Hair dye or fake facial hair could throw you off

[TalkingDog]

26. Most people would have trouble. Experts and computers would do better.

There are all kinds of parameters of facial measurement. Facial recognition software will be helpful here.

[flamingdem]

27. We need one of those people with photographic memory right now

if they saw one of those caps they'd remember, I wouldn't.

I think that these guys can hide the resemblance to the images with fake facial hair or hair coloring.
Even a different kind of hat or dress would confuse the impression enough with such blurry images

[riderinthestorm]

29. I've said on 2 other threads it looks like his pants leg is strapped for bike riding.

Or tucked into his boots.

That would be the quickest get-away I presume in a crowded festival-type environment, where getting a car in and out quickly wouldn't be feasible.

[John1956PA]

31. Some people have faces which seem to vary from photograph to photograph.

I once overheard someone comment that a local politician (a good-looking young man) seemed to look different in each newspaper photograph showing him throughout the course of a particular campaign season. Differences in camera lenses and lighting can account for some of the variations. However, I think that some people have faces which, when there are only subtle changes in expression and photography angles, can produce surprisingly divergent photographic impressions.

[anneboleyn]

39. Honestly police said this was true of Ted Bundy. Apparently people had trouble

identifying him as he looked very different depending on the angle of the image, his hair, expression, etc. So this definitely does seem to happen.

[flamingdem]

23. So suspicious that they don't walk together, they don't want to be ID'ed together nt

[DanTex]

30. The white cap guy doesn't seem too worried about being caught on camera.

Otherwise, you'd think he'd keep the cap on forward, to partially hide is face.

[kentuck]

37. It looks like the white cap is just following the black cap...

If the black caps sets his bomb, then he will set his. Otherwise, he's not gonna do it. Once the first bomb went off, the black hat bomb, then the white hat just dropped his where he was standing. I wonders if the plot was planned here in this country, because they had to buy the supplies here, or if it was planned in another country, and they simply flew in a day or two early for the Marathon and they have now landed in another country? If the latter, they will not be able to keep their mouths shut and someone will be taking credit for it in the next couple of days? Keep your radio tuned to the Iranian or Yemeni station. If Iranian, we have our excuse for the next war...

[Duer 157099]

32. I thought there would be video of them leaving the backpacks somewhere

How are these guys different from the other hundreds of guys with backpacks walking around?

[riderinthestorm]

34. They do have video of them leaving the backpacks. These are for ID purposes however

so I'm guessing the video of them leaving the backpacks doesn't show them as clearly.

The FBI agent in charge of the investigation called them suspects which means they are far more than 'persons of interest". He also said they had the video of them dropping the bags and leaving the site. Furthermore, he said they also have video of the guy in the white hat making a cell phone call....



Calling them suspects is certainly a serious step imho and indicates they have some shots that are pretty strong.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. In the video it looks like there may be a couple frames near the end of the 2nd shot that

indicate just that; i.e. leaving a backpack.

It's hard to tell, but that's sort of what it looks like to me. If that's where one of the bombs went off, it's pretty damning evidence.

[riderinthestorm]

47. During the press conference today the lead investigator said they have video of them leaving

backpacks in the exact places where the bombs went off. They each did this just 10 minutes before the bombs went off.

While we don't have those vids, according to the lead investigator, they exist.

[Rex]

35. Looks like two Joe Shmoes to me.

Guessing their nationality etc.. is really silly. Do we forget we are the melting pot? Good luck with your speculations.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. What gets me is the fucking smirks they seem to have.

I don't care at all about what nationality they are, any of it, I just want them caught ASAP.

And the smirking pisses me right the fuck off.

[Rex]

42. I hear ya, don't care if the are Martians

I want them caught! ASAP!

[gvstn]

41. Great new picture of white hat guy after blast with no pack

For those not adverse to crowd-sourcing here is the link to reddit's speculation: http://www.reddit.com/r/findbostonbombers/comments/1cn4wh/new_picture_of_suspect_2_white_hat/

Edit: Cmae out smaller than I thought. He is on the left turning the corner. Can be enlarged at original

i.imgur.com/NFPlOCI.jpg

[riderinthestorm]

45. One of the few (at least in this pic) NOT looking back over their shoulder at the blast... nt

[kentuck]

46. Similar hat and coat and hair length....

But there is another guy coming up behind him with khakis and a black hat that looks like his partner? The insignia on their hats look very similar and they are heading down Fairfield St.

[DCBob]

44. So I guess the "blue robe guy" is off the hook..

whew!