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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:54 PM Apr 2013

White privilege is knowing that even if the Boston Marathon bomber turns out

White privilege is knowing that even if the Boston Marathon bomber turns out to be white, his or her identity will not result in white folks generally being singled out for suspicion by law enforcement, or the TSA, or the FBI.
White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for whites to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening, or threatened with deportation.


White privilege is knowing that if the bomber turns out to be white, he or she will be viewed as an exception to an otherwise non-white rule, an aberration, an anomaly, and that he or she will be able to join the ranks of Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols and Ted Kaczynski and Eric Rudolph and Joe Stack and George Metesky and Byron De La Beckwith and Bobby Frank Cherry and Thomas Blanton and Herman Frank Cash and Robert Chambliss and James von Brunn and Robert Mathews and David_Lane and Michael F. Griffin and Paul Hill and John Salvi and James Kopp and Luke Helder and James David Adkisson and Scott Roeder and Shelley Shannon and Wade Michael Page and Byron Williams and Kevin Harpham and William Krar and Judith Bruey and Edward Feltus and Raymond Kirk Dillard and Adam Lynn Cunningham and Bonnell Hughes and Randall Garrett Cole and James Ray McElroy and Michael Gorbey and Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman and Frederick Thomas and Paul Ross Evans and Matt Goldsby and Jimmy Simmons and Kathy Simmons and Kaye Wiggins and Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe and David McMenemy and Bobby Joe Rogers and Francis Grady and Demetrius Van Crocker and Floyd Raymond Looker, among the pantheon of white people who engage in politically motivated violence meant to terrorize and kill, but whose actions result in the assumption of absolutely nothing about white people generally, or white Christians in particular.

And white privilege is being able to know nothing about the crimes committed by most of the terrorists listed above — indeed, never to have so much as heard most of their names — let alone to make assumptions about the role that their racial or ethnic identity may have played in their crimes.

White privilege is knowing that if the Boston bomber turns out to be white, we will not be asked to denounce him or her, so as to prove our own loyalties to the common national good. It is knowing that the next time a cop sees one of us standing on the sidewalk cheering on runners in a marathon, that cop will say exactly nothing to us as a result.

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White privilege is knowing that even if the Boston Marathon bomber turns out (Original Post) morningfog Apr 2013 OP
nailed it. nt limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #1
White male privilege Mopar151 Apr 2013 #2
Yes, agreed... white MALE privilege. left coaster Apr 2013 #3
But not an exclusive...n/t Mopar151 Apr 2013 #5
people mistake me for Matt Damon all the time hfojvt Apr 2013 #20
really? Skittles Apr 2013 #25
The excuse doesn't work. I told my White Husband Heather MC Apr 2013 #83
Privilege? I think the word you're looking for is "collective guilt" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #50
wow, even when it the OP includes women, it doesn't, LOL. bettyellen Apr 2013 #61
"Tendencies" and "stereotypes" are close cousins. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #65
well until stats are any where close to even regarding violent acts, that is how it's going to be bettyellen Apr 2013 #67
I wish I saw more women Mopar151 Apr 2013 #72
too bad their sons could't stop at bullying and just abuse verbally instead of murder many people! bettyellen Apr 2013 #81
Beleive it Mopar151 Apr 2013 #82
so, it's girls fault than boys are taking pics and vids while raping? bettyellen Apr 2013 #103
Why don't you ask Pheobe Prince? Mopar151 Apr 2013 #114
I'm sorry it bothers you to accept it's 95% men doing these violent things. bettyellen Apr 2013 #115
If you do not understand how wrong you are, I guess I cannot help you. Mopar151 Apr 2013 #117
I have read 1/2 of them, thanks, If you don't see how fucked up it is to blame Mom bettyellen Apr 2013 #119
A little "light" reading for you Mopar151 Apr 2013 #84
lobotomy patient's dad: is impatient, explosive, rather brutal, won’t let the boy speak for himself, bettyellen Apr 2013 #105
Read the whole book. Dad was largely absent, and completely passive when it came to Stepmom.. Mopar151 Apr 2013 #110
which of these serial killers had good, close relationships with their Dads? bettyellen Apr 2013 #111
None I am aware of. Mopar151 Apr 2013 #113
white privilage also includes markiv Apr 2013 #4
Correct. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #6
How is that remotely ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #7
no more or less, than the OP nt markiv Apr 2013 #8
Guess your reading comprehension is nil. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #53
I came to the same conclusion AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #96
Is there going to be a test on this? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #12
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #87
glad to see you did not leave, 1StrongBlackMan Skittles Apr 2013 #26
Ditto, 1SBM! Always good to see you and Skittles. ;-) bettyellen Apr 2013 #62
Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #89
The drink and ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #88
ah passive aggressive denial. aandegoons Apr 2013 #39
wow...really Supersedeas Apr 2013 #56
The OP is about the reaction to the perpetrators treestar Apr 2013 #40
Are any if the victims white? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #47
The little boy and the 29 year old seemed to be white to me treestar Apr 2013 #48
there hasnt BEEN a reaction to the perpetrator(s) markiv Apr 2013 #54
i feel that anyone who can look at the facts in evidence markiv Apr 2013 #64
That is irrelevant gollygee Apr 2013 #45
Oh great. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #9
Why not? hfojvt Apr 2013 #21
Regardless of race, whoever did this is a devil Bucky Apr 2013 #42
almost as if there was a hope to lump one way or the other Supersedeas Apr 2013 #101
forgot the Hutaree! MisterP Apr 2013 #10
What they forgot about is Poland. Bucky Apr 2013 #43
Ah, bullshit. cliffordu Apr 2013 #11
It smells Supersedeas Apr 2013 #100
The only group who will be hurt by this (if it turns out to be them) UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #13
The only group who will be hurt by this? markiv Apr 2013 #14
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #15
Been watching more Fox news lately hepkat Apr 2013 #16
k&r n/t RainDog Apr 2013 #17
Not just "White Privilage" but "White Right Wing Privilage"... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #18
Spot on Hekate Apr 2013 #19
Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Apr 2013 #22
+ 1000 - white privilege means not even having to concern oneself for one single nano second that Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #23
Can I play too? Separation Apr 2013 #24
Welcome to America Bucky Apr 2013 #44
I still remember after 9/11 when folks called for middle easterners to be profiled Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #27
...not so sure I agree... McDiggy Apr 2013 #28
after the OKCity Bombing and the Texas Bell Tower shootings & Columbine, there was reason for that Supersedeas Apr 2013 #63
+100000 loyalsister Apr 2013 #29
AMEN from a white southern male with plenty of black northern female relatives carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #30
+ a million Number23 Apr 2013 #93
You get it!! Amazing!!! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #106
Not sure about this LittleBlue Apr 2013 #31
Yep, and Gang Lu, who was the shooter at the University of Iowa Physics building murders... cascadiance Apr 2013 #33
A good number of white racists are "OK" with Asians treestar Apr 2013 #37
guess I'd better watch my acceptance of asians, now that markiv Apr 2013 #55
Now you see how it works Supersedeas Apr 2013 #59
I in no way implied or said that treestar Apr 2013 #69
My first thought too Supersedeas Apr 2013 #58
If it turns out to be Muslim, then Alex Jones will be flaming about an Obama coverup... cascadiance Apr 2013 #32
Anyone got some FEBRZE whistler162 Apr 2013 #34
oh? Supersedeas Apr 2013 #60
K&R redqueen Apr 2013 #35
Rec'd treestar Apr 2013 #36
So true Carolina Apr 2013 #38
knr Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #41
k and r. I don't believe I've ever seen an OP sufrommich Apr 2013 #46
Elvis Impersonator privilege is knowing that even if the guy who mails ricin to the President NoPasaran Apr 2013 #49
And if they're white militia? B2G Apr 2013 #51
Because we're so much *better* than that B2G Apr 2013 #52
the sad truth about heuristics Supersedeas Apr 2013 #66
i have only one hope about the perpetrator(s) markiv Apr 2013 #57
I see, it always comes down to race. Beacool Apr 2013 #68
how can an otherwise seemingly sane DUer say something this outrageously awful? carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #74
Because I see it here constantly. Beacool Apr 2013 #75
I used to think I knew which website had the most smears against "the Left" carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #77
I don't disagree that some whites are privileged Beacool Apr 2013 #79
glad we're pursuing dialogue, let me tell you about my nieces carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #90
I'm not neutral at John2 Apr 2013 #85
The person who zealously supported a white female candidate who used the term "hard working Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #107
Maybe it's a white Muslim. Then everybody's happy n/t RZM Apr 2013 #70
So if the Bomber is black, all blacks will be marked as terrorists... AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #71
Are you going to sit here and pretend that blacks and hispanics aren't already TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #91
The OP doesn't mention "driving while black" AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #92
no one plays "the race card" like those who invented the phrase, whites playing victim carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #73
Granted. Although I hope that if it turns out to be a right wing gun nut Exen Trik Apr 2013 #76
using an agenda during a tragedy sucks a little? snooper2 Apr 2013 #97
Great post malaise Apr 2013 #78
kick Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #80
White male of Western European extraction privilege. Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 #86
Yes, they are. Profiling is done by experts, regardless of who suspects likely are. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #94
Did you say regardless of skin color... Supersedeas Apr 2013 #109
All profiling by experts is...is a collection of facts of the types of people who have Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #112
Agreed. That is why it's called "White Privilege"...which is a very nasty underbelly of our drynberg Apr 2013 #95
. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #98
+1 beyurslf Apr 2013 #99
What about white male Islamic terrorist privilege? Zax2me Apr 2013 #102
WOW!!! I had just posted this in another thread... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #104
If someone is from the Caucuses do they count as Caucasian? Ganja Ninja Apr 2013 #108
NEW RULES:..... Zax2me Apr 2013 #116
This was a basic point pipi_k Apr 2013 #118

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
2. White male privilege
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:14 AM
Apr 2013

Means serial killers and pedophiles mostly look like you. It means that quite a few creatures who share your color, and rather more of the world than you would like, are truly the scum of the earth.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
83. The excuse doesn't work. I told my White Husband
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:46 PM
Apr 2013

I accidentally kissed another white guy, because all white people look alike to me.

He still doesn't believe it was an innocent mistake. He is impossible

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
50. Privilege? I think the word you're looking for is "collective guilt"
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:32 AM
Apr 2013

I liked the way the OP said ... "he or she" even if only in a pro-forma way, because men are and will continue to be singled out. Has any person of interest been scrutinized in surveillance footage or for questioning that wasn't a man? I've seen lots of persons of interest that happen to be young men, suspicious because... I dunno, just because.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
61. wow, even when it the OP includes women, it doesn't, LOL.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:43 AM
Apr 2013

I saw pics today of a woman highlighted as a suspect. But you have to admit, statistically- that would be an anomaly- no?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
65. "Tendencies" and "stereotypes" are close cousins.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:54 AM
Apr 2013

The OP is good. The post to which I was responding... not so much.

White privilege is being free from the racial stereotypes which cause the justice system to look at you first.
Male privilege is being the first people at whom the justice system looks.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
67. well until stats are any where close to even regarding violent acts, that is how it's going to be
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:06 PM
Apr 2013

wish I saw more men working toward solving their issues with aggression and violence. we'd all be better off.

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
72. I wish I saw more women
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 04:18 PM
Apr 2013

working toward solving their issues with bullying, verbal abuse and codependency. For example: The original FBI Profiler concluded that serial killers are made by mothers, before their son's 5th birthday.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
81. too bad their sons could't stop at bullying and just abuse verbally instead of murder many people!
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:08 PM
Apr 2013

ha ha, can't believe you'd go there.

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
82. Beleive it
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:35 PM
Apr 2013

Women are fully as "monstrous" as men. The social media that causes young rape victims to suicide does'nt come from boys....

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
103. so, it's girls fault than boys are taking pics and vids while raping?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:14 PM
Apr 2013

because that's the same as being a rapist? Do you believe any of this crap?

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
114. Why don't you ask Pheobe Prince?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:45 AM
Apr 2013

Or the girls in Stubenville who did NOTHING?? While the boys carried off a girl passed out drunk.
I will restate - READ ODD GIRL OUT. This whole idea that men are monsters and women are innocent bystanders is crap, and has always been crap. If you prefer, try some legal terms on - like complicity, accomplice after the fact, depraved indifference, aiding and abetting, hindering apprehension - you'll get the idea.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
115. I'm sorry it bothers you to accept it's 95% men doing these violent things.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:05 AM
Apr 2013

Sorry you have to grasp at straws and blame moms and bystanders instead of the actual men who do the crimes, but it's pathetic.
There is no equivalence there at all. Yeah, all sorts of assholes are afraid to report the crimes, and keep their mouths shut- but who commits the crimes is MUCH more significant.

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
117. If you do not understand how wrong you are, I guess I cannot help you.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:11 AM
Apr 2013

AGAIN - READ THE BOOKS. They are written by acknowledged experts in the fields, and can convey much better than I that blaming only the men for violent crimes is just wrong, in any world driven by fact and logic.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
119. I have read 1/2 of them, thanks, If you don't see how fucked up it is to blame Mom
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:23 PM
Apr 2013

when Dad was largely absent- and just as awful or worse when he was around- then I can't help you.
It's pretty obvious none of those people -men and women equally - should have had kids. The absence of a stable home falls on BOTH parents.
You can make excuses by pointing towards bystanders or enablers but that doesn't somehow make women perpetrators of all this violence. If you were being honest about it you'd fault the Dads and male bystanders as equally. In your version of reality, it's like the Dads and dudes who swapped pics didn't exist. But they are just as important in the big picture.






 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
105. lobotomy patient's dad: is impatient, explosive, rather brutal, won’t let the boy speak for himself,
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:19 PM
Apr 2013

“October 8, 1960. I gather that Mrs. Dully is perpetually talking, admonishing, correcting, and getting worked up into a spasm, whereas her husband is impatient, explosive, rather brutal, won’t let the boy speak for himself, and calls him numbskull, dimwit, and other uncomplimentary names.”


What was your point?

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
110. Read the whole book. Dad was largely absent, and completely passive when it came to Stepmom..
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

I was struck by the similarity to some of the serial killer's moms in the early part of Mindhunter.

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
113. None I am aware of.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:19 AM
Apr 2013

Although I know of 1 who was a Christadelphian Sunday School teacher. His uncle was my Dad's boss, and I know the family of one of the victims.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
4. white privilage also includes
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:28 AM
Apr 2013

learning to live with lost limbs, along with members of other races injured, no matter who did this

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
53. Guess your reading comprehension is nil.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

Or you are deliberately ignoring the point made in the OP.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
96. I came to the same conclusion
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
Apr 2013

If Muslims or white right wingers are suspected in the attack, but not other races/religions/nationalities, how is that "white privileged"? I understand the references to racial profiling, but it makes no sense in this OPs context.

I think the OP was just trying to stir the pot.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
87. No ...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:23 PM
Apr 2013

It was a simle question. I wanted to know how the poster connected the two thoughts.

Do you have an answer? Or, are you just being you?

Supersedeas

(20,630 posts)
56. wow...really
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

that's your reaction to the people of all races injured in the blast...I see passive aggressive irony.

I bet you think that no one in the FBI or DOJ has any interest in investigating and keeping tabs on potential members of White Fascist groups, White biker types, white neo-Nazi types, white separatists groups, none of those right. Not even on their radar, ever, right. Just the white dude free pass. That's your reaction to this bombing in Boston. Wow. Passive aggressiveness is what investigators do to protect all of us, regardless of race or gender. But you probably miss the irony of that part of passive aggressiveness too.

Sad attempt at divisiveness...and at a time like this. Really.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
48. The little boy and the 29 year old seemed to be white to me
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:28 AM
Apr 2013

But the OP is about the reaction of the media/populace to the perpetrator's race, not the victims'.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
54. there hasnt BEEN a reaction to the perpetrator(s)
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:55 AM
Apr 2013

because we dont know who they are yet!

and I've run in 5ks, have a relative who runs marathons, others who run half-marathons, 10ks, so the FACTS show that we HAVE been a group targeted by this (who happen to be white, along with runners of other races), that's the only thing we really know

and frankly, I find it a little offensive, still just hours after people are in the shock of accepting a life as an amputee, to say 'they dont count, you're interrupting our speculation of who COULD be victimized by this', when that has NOT yet happened

it is not legitimate to discuss an issue derived from this incident, excluding the reality of the victims - that's just too soon, and too callous

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
64. i feel that anyone who can look at the facts in evidence
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

and feel that their resentment toward any group (unsubstanciated by any evidence so far in this incident) is more important that the reality of the victims (who include all races), needs to start with their own prejudices, if they really wish to rid this world of prejudice

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
45. That is irrelevant
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:01 AM
Apr 2013

Obviously weapons affect all people the same and don't have preferences. But PEOPLE do.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
21. Why not?
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:06 AM
Apr 2013

I personally am hoping the culprit turns out to be David Sirota.

Or maybe Joan Walsh.

Hey, as long as I am hoping that a white person did it, then why not be specific?

Supersedeas

(20,630 posts)
101. almost as if there was a hope to lump one way or the other
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:46 AM
Apr 2013

the wish to be lumped in with the innocent group based solely on skin color and an opportunity to disparage an entire group that shares the same skin color with the perps. all on the pretext of poor journalism...really?

Response to markiv (Reply #14)

 

hepkat

(143 posts)
16. Been watching more Fox news lately
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:32 AM
Apr 2013

And they are definitely pushing a muslim terror narrative.

When it turns out to be a right wing gun nut.... they will return to covering the abortion doctor murder story. Cause that just doesn't fit their reality.

And it will turn out to be a right winger.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. Not just "White Privilage" but "White Right Wing Privilage"...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:43 AM
Apr 2013

It doesn't matter if the bomber is found out to be a FOX "News" viewing fierce Obama hating Teabagger who has posted to Free Republic and Glenn Beck's website and is a regular caller on Hannity's and Limbaugh's radio shows.

It will not result in anyone telling anyone to tone it down even a tiny bit.

Right Wingers will claim THEY are the real victims.

And use it to raise money.

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
19. Spot on
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:53 AM
Apr 2013

I don't want to invade any more countries ... I suspect this plot was home-grown ... and if it was, we won't have to invade (for instance) North Dakota, even if that is where the plot was hatched ...

Gods, what a world, what a world.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
23. + 1000 - white privilege means not even having to concern oneself for one single nano second that
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:42 AM
Apr 2013

people might lump you in with those who committed this act

Separation

(1,975 posts)
24. Can I play too?
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:35 AM
Apr 2013

White privilege also means they spend 2 weeks looking for a white male, militia, possible ex-military, driving a van sniping and killing people in DC & Virginia. I mean, "It just had to be"!

I couldn't give a shit what color, religion, sex, or political background that the perps who committed this act of terror, they specifically targeted a soft target.

Unfortunately with all the false reporting that has come out in the past 24 hours, when/if they get the right guys, I'd bet my next paycheck there will be a YouTube video within 3 days proving how those are the wrong people, false flag, gov agents.

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
44. Welcome to America
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:56 AM
Apr 2013

I personally blame James Madison for this silliness being injected into every public tragedy that comes along.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
27. I still remember after 9/11 when folks called for middle easterners to be profiled
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:57 AM
Apr 2013

Interesting how those same people didn't call for whites to be profiled after the OK City bombing.

McDiggy

(150 posts)
28. ...not so sure I agree...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 04:24 AM
Apr 2013

Actually, whenever something like this happens, everyone assumes its either a crazy, right-winged white guy or an extremist Muslim. Case in point? Remember the "shock" when everyone found out the skin color of the beltway killers? If the bomber is an Asian dude or lady, I'd wager similar level of shock would ensue.

Supersedeas

(20,630 posts)
63. after the OKCity Bombing and the Texas Bell Tower shootings & Columbine, there was reason for that
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:51 AM
Apr 2013

but then, you assuming that shock can be a reasonable reaction.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
30. AMEN from a white southern male with plenty of black northern female relatives
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:24 AM
Apr 2013

Another aspect of privilege is the assumption of a right to derail every meaningful discussion of race with nonsensical snark and diversions. A lot of the responses in this thread are downright shameful IMO.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
31. Not sure about this
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:40 AM
Apr 2013

The Virginia Tech guy was Asian, and I don't see Asians treated any differently after the VT massacre. No one called for Asians to be profiled as terrorists, etc.

So, no, I don't agree. Unless you're suggesting there's an Asian privilege.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
33. Yep, and Gang Lu, who was the shooter at the University of Iowa Physics building murders...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:25 AM
Apr 2013

... was also Asian. A place where I went to many classes when I was a student there before. They even made a movie based on this starting Meryl Streep that tried to depict how an Asian had difficulty assimilating at the school even though it was fictionalized.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
37. A good number of white racists are "OK" with Asians
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:22 AM
Apr 2013

They consider them to be a successful group of people and hide behind that to prove they are not racists. Some Asians are racists against blacks and other minorities, and the white racists find that sympathetic.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
55. guess I'd better watch my acceptance of asians, now that
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

it's proof of white racism

but lets get back to the OP, and our discussion of groups that have to live with unfair suspicions

treestar

(82,383 posts)
69. I in no way implied or said that
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

I was simply making an observation about white racists that I have observed. I did not say acceptance of Asians makes you one of them. I simply observed that right wingers sometimes do that.

Supersedeas

(20,630 posts)
58. My first thought too
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

That example and John Lee Malvo--I'm not sure anyone felt lumped into the group with the Beltway Snipers.

If anything, the authorities were profiling white males during the Beltway Sniper investigation.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
32. If it turns out to be Muslim, then Alex Jones will be flaming about an Obama coverup...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:20 AM
Apr 2013

... and use the earlier rumors that were reported as news from Fox and CNN as being the *real* story even if they weren't to help build more hate towards Muslims everywhere. Just watch.

Another reason why some who say they "hope" its white might be right in terms of what the net effect will be, not because someone emotionally wants it one way or the other.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. Rec'd
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:20 AM
Apr 2013

And we won't have to hear about how immigrants should be more restricted, even if it is a foreign white person.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
46. k and r. I don't believe I've ever seen an OP
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:13 AM
Apr 2013

with so many freeperish comments trying to deny the obvious. White people will not be held accountable as a group for a terrorist act or crimes committed by white people,brown people will,it's that simple.

NoPasaran

(17,291 posts)
49. Elvis Impersonator privilege is knowing that even if the guy who mails ricin to the President
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:30 AM
Apr 2013

Elvis Impersonator privilege is knowing that even if the guy who mails ricin to the President turns out to be an Elvis Impersonator, his or her identity will not result in Elvis Impersonators generally being singled out for suspicion by law enforcement, or the TSA, or the FBI.
Elvis Impersonator privilege is knowing that even if the ricin mailer turns out to be an Elvis Impersonator, no one will call for Elvis Impersonators to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening, or threatened with deportation.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
52. Because we're so much *better* than that
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:41 AM
Apr 2013

We would never think to generalize about Christians or gun owner and apply negative connotations to those entire groups.

Face it. Every single human being is prejudiced in some form or fashion. It's wrong, but it's the truth.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
68. I see, it always comes down to race.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:22 PM
Apr 2013

To the Right it's about the white race, all others are to be treated with suspicion. To the Left it's about bashing the white race and deifying every other race.

Equally disturbing on both counts. There are very good and very bad people of all races.

Remember the Trayvon Martin incident? Putting aside the fact that Zimmerman murdered a young man whose only fault was being AA, the rest of it was a circus. A politician thrown off the House floor for wearing a hoodie, people coming out of the woodwork to speak about the incident (Sharpton, Jackson, etc.) and even the president stating that Trayvon could have been his son.

All well and done. But where are these same people when it comes to the continual shootings in Chicago? When has the president said that those could be his children too? Parts of Chicago have become battlefields. Where are all these same people who were running to get in front of a TV over the Martin case?

The hypocrisy is what I can't stand from all sides of the race issue.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
74. how can an otherwise seemingly sane DUer say something this outrageously awful?
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:08 PM
Apr 2013
To the Left it's about bashing the white race and deifying every other race.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
75. Because I see it here constantly.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:29 PM
Apr 2013

I was raised in various countries (my dad was a diplomat), so I don't have the hang ups we have here in the US about race. I noticed that the Left tends to bash Caucasians frequently, while making excuses for people of other races. I'm neutral on the subject of race. If someone is guilty of something, I don't give a flying fig what's his race or religion. How about seeing beyond race and judging the individual? Blanket statements are false, no race is better than another and no race is worse either.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
77. I used to think I knew which website had the most smears against "the Left"
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:06 PM
Apr 2013

now I'm not sure at all. I'm a white man with a family that is more than half black (long story) and biracial relatives some of whom "look black" and some of whom "look white." I live in a block that is 50/50 white/black, ditto my neighborhood, ditto my city. Anyone trying to deny white privilege to someone with my knowledge of the truth goes in the same category as climate change deniers. IT'S OBVIOUS EVERYWHERE TO THOSE WITH EYES TO SEE IT.

Saying whites are privileged in this society isn't attacking all whites, just stating a fact. Those who acknowledge and appreciate that fact (whites with black and biracial family members know damn well it's true) do not feel in an way smeared or attacked when it is stated. Saying rich people are privileged over poor people isn't attacking all rich people. But those who play pitiful victim of the poor when the privileges of wealth are pointed out---

AARGH.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
79. I don't disagree that some whites are privileged
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:57 PM
Apr 2013

and that overall whites had it better than minorities, but a blanket statement that all whites are privileged is erroneous. Poor whites have suffered plenty too. Is the suffering the same as what AAs went through in this country? Of course not, no one is arguing the contrary. What happened in Boston is horrible, does it matter the race of the perpetrators? BTW, according to the FBI press conference they had this afternoon, they are looking for two white guys in their 20s.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
90. glad we're pursuing dialogue, let me tell you about my nieces
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:36 PM
Apr 2013

I have two nieces who have 3 white grandparents, 1 black-- living their entire lives in middle class DC suburbia. One a fair freckled redhead, one dark haired and more visibly mixed. My sister told me a heartrending story about when they got to a certain age where one daughter wailed "She's white, and I'm black!" making it very clear which was preferable in her 7 year old world. And while she ached to comfort her daughter, there was no way she could deny the truth so obvious to a small child, that one race gets a better deal throughout life, even in middle class suburbia. She could only hope that things will change.

Are you familiar with research studies showing that children of color are no more immune to race prejudice than white children? Prejudice against themselves? So bombarded with subliminal propaganda that they like the white doll baby rather than the black one? That is still a sad fact of American life that no white person ever has to suffer, being infected with color-based self-loathing by a toxic culture. Black parents have a lot of work cut out for them.

Surely there are poor whites whose status as "hillbillies" or "rednecks" puts them in a quasi-racialized underclass, especially in all white areas. There are many forms of discrimination. But I don't think the OP argues anything beyond the fact that stereotyping/scapegoating based purely on race is something whites never have to fear, while nonwhites live constantly in the shadow.

Peace.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
85. I'm not neutral at
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:13 PM
Apr 2013

all because of the History of this country and the History of the African Slave Trade. Your claim is the Left in this country bash whites even though many of them are white themselves. Many of the people that were abolitionists were white. I assure you they did not hesitate in bashing white supremacists in the South, even down right inciting rebellions. Yep, there were evil black men too that took advantage of their own kind predicament too. I don't think the Left hesitated at all bashing them too. A good example would be in the U.S. Supreme Court.

Racism is a reality in the World and this country. If I was religious, I would count it as one of the biggest sins of man kind. To deny it does not exist would be turning the blind eye to it and defending the oppressor. Usually the person in the position to oppress are the culprits. That has been the majority group mostly. That is not to deny there are some hypocrits on the Left but those are usually a small minority. When ever a U.S. Diplomat go around the World preaching about human Rights, look no further, than their own country. African americans did not get full equal rights even after the deaths of 600,000 Americans. They still had to fight for their rights after lynchings, that have not even been prosecuted. Do you still want to defend your position about the inequality of blame?

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
107. The person who zealously supported a white female candidate who used the term "hard working
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:22 PM
Apr 2013

white people". Nothing surprises me anymore. Especially not on DU.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
71. So if the Bomber is black, all blacks will be marked as terrorists...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:53 PM
Apr 2013

...and marked for deportation? If the bomber turns out to be Hispanic, or Asian, all Hispanics or Asians will be marked for profiling as terrorists and deported? Is that what happened with the DC sniper? The Virginia Tech rampage?

Your assertion is dead wrong.

TheKentuckian

(25,021 posts)
91. Are you going to sit here and pretend that blacks and hispanics aren't already
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:40 PM
Apr 2013

hammered with profiling and take the brunt of a lot abuse.

I wouldn't be surprised of a ramp up of the "border security" fake concern as a back door to grouping hispanics but black folks have a solid niche in the blame game. Gotta populate the prisons, take the blame for taxes and spending, take the rap on crime, and all kinds of fun shit.

We've seen the hyper nasty shit thrown at middle eastern folks. Shit, some were lumping Indian folks right in too. Let's not pretend there isn't some muck and that some get a comparative pass from some of it.

Driving while white is not an impactive issue in this society, you won't be described/accused of being a terrorist no matter how many white folks commit acts of terror, you won't be in any shake down for any fucking papers, that kind of shit. Nothing goes systemic, sure you might get a blast on a message board or somebody on TV might get a little rough but other than that pretty much jack.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
92. The OP doesn't mention "driving while black"
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:54 PM
Apr 2013

It speaks specifically to terrorism and racial profiling. One outcome does not apply to all scenarios.

My first thoughts when I heard of the attacks was it was either a Republican attack carried out by a white male, or a middle eastern Muslim.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
73. no one plays "the race card" like those who invented the phrase, whites playing victim
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:02 PM
Apr 2013

whenever anyone speaks truth to their power

Exen Trik

(103 posts)
76. Granted. Although I hope that if it turns out to be a right wing gun nut
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:36 PM
Apr 2013

Then that group will finally be seen as the threat it is. If not, that day will still surely come.

Stinky The Clown

(67,766 posts)
86. White male of Western European extraction privilege.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:17 PM
Apr 2013

There are other "white" people who don't enjoy such privilege.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
94. Yes, they are. Profiling is done by experts, regardless of who suspects likely are.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:02 PM
Apr 2013

If you watch those true crime shows, you'll see that. There are experts who profile perpetrators of certain kinds of crimes. For instance, I saw an expert (or two) explain the profiling for serial killers...part of the profile is that they are usually WHITE.

Profiling is not a reason police can stop a person, without any cause. But it's useful for law enforcement to have a profile for certain kinds of crimes, so that they can focus their investigation and know what they are likely looking for.

You do profiling, too, probably. For example, when the bombings happened and you thought about who could've done that...I'm gonna guess you probably did NOT think it was a woman. That's because terrorists are almost always (but not always)...male. And usu. young males.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
112. All profiling by experts is...is a collection of facts of the types of people who have
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 10:19 PM
Apr 2013

done that type of crime historically. Stats. That's all.

Stats show that most serial killers in America are white. Think about it. You'd be hard pressed to think of a black or Indian or Asian serial killer. They exist...but usually they are white. There are also psychological and lifestyles that go along with the serial killer profile.

There are other profiles that probably don't have a race in the profile. Just the psych and lifestyle and behavior aspects.

There is a profile for the type of person who mutilates his victims, is a peeping tom, etc. It's just stats. If you have a bunch of rapes w/in a certain radius, stats tell law enforcement that who they will probably find did it lives in the area and is fits in with the neighborhood...if it's a black neighborhood, he'll probably be black, if it's a white neighborhood, he'll probably be white. Things like that.

I read an interesting "profile" of the famous Russian serial killer. It was done before the killer was caught, but released in a book about the search for the killer....which took decades. The profile fit the killer very closely.

Sometimes the profiler uses his psychological expertise, by discerning the psychopathic condition that would drive a person to do certain things.

Pretty interesting. I like the true crime shows and books.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
95. Agreed. That is why it's called "White Privilege"...which is a very nasty underbelly of our
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:21 PM
Apr 2013

Genocidal history towards Native Americans and our wicked "heritage" of stealing Africans and dividing them from what they love and know and make them slaves for hundreds of years, replacing the yoke of slavery with the brand of blatant anti-democratic rights stealing from our blacks. Our whole Nation is built on this tawdry and deeply shameful practices...so, yeah, "white privilege" is still dominating our sorry asses.

 

Zax2me

(2,515 posts)
102. What about white male Islamic terrorist privilege?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013

As is the case here?
wonder if author thinks it still applies...

 

Zax2me

(2,515 posts)
116. NEW RULES:.....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:48 AM
Apr 2013

No one can bitch, whine, complain of white privilege if you are white until you:
1. Resign from your job, surrender it to a qualified minority.
2. Sell your house, move into an apartment.
3. If you have cars - sell them. Take the bus.
All money from sales go to local charities.
I can't continue - everyone is mumbling, shuffling feet - oh!
You want to have a whipping post but won't actually give UP your white privilege.
I see how it works now!

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
118. This was a basic point
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:39 AM
Apr 2013

I was trying to make yesterday when I was jumped on for being a "racist" by people who didn't understand what I meant and never bothered to ask.

Before those photos were released, I sat and imagined myself being a person of color. I know that I would be scared for myself and absolutely terrified for any male relatives I might have who may have become innocent targets of misplaced rage and hatred.

Because some people need only the smallest thing to justify them going out and committing brutalities on people who don't look like them. Something like what happened in Boston might have unleashed a whole lot of very frightening things.





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