Next time a gun lover says they want to keep guns away from criminals...

[Hugabear]

Remind them how the gun lobby fought so hard to defeat universal background checks.

It's a goddamned lie. They have no interest in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. They don't want to do anything that might inconvenience private gun sales.

Fuck the NRA and their supporters.

[onehandle]

3. Nothing will stem this tide.

The 'Connecticut Effect' is a myth.

Nice try.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

5. No, it's true. Che used a lot of guns to kill a lot of people

and he encouraged lots of others to do likewise. It was kind of a thing with him.

[aikoaiko]

6. Jury Results

At Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Che was a gun nut.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2696009

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Troll.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:00 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Silly post, not worth hiding.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yeah, it's probably a troll. I hope the alerter clicked the TOS button so MIRT can take a look.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The alerted post is a perfectly fair comment to someone who wants gun control, but idolizes a rebel leader who was well armed and committed acts of gun violence.


Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agreed. Troll.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Well, it's not a promising start, I'll give you that, but the thread start does have a Che avatar, so it is sort-of relevant.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Troll/

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future

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[Thinkingabout]

4. The NO voters today are on the criminals side plain and simple, they want the criminals to continue

to have guns and also have voted no enabling the beginning of a gun register. Way to go NRA

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. So because the NRA opposed the bill, that means all gun "lovers" did?

And that they all are disinterested in keeping guns out of criminal hands? You can't possibly be that illogical. Please tell me that the "they" in you last sentence meant the gun lobby and not "gun lovers" in general.

[Hoyt]

9. I wonder how many in the gungeon called their congress people in support of it. Not many.

I'll bet some called in opposition though.

It's time gun owners actually start acting "responsible" rather than just talking about being a "responsible gun owner." Only thing "responsible" by most of them is cleaning their lethal weapons, and most do it far too often because they like the feel . . . . . .

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. Hard to say.

I sent a letter to Ron Wyden last year on gun control in general (received a reply, too - and it wasn't machine-generated boilerplate...pretty cool), and tried to present my position: generally pro-gun-rights, but actively supportive of a good number of sensible controls. I focused on closing the "gun show loophole" and mandating security measures (gun safes, locks, etc.). I didn't contact wither Wyden or Merkley as I didn't think they'd be at all on the fence on this bill.

[Hoyt]

12. Well, most in gungeon won't even admit there is a "gun show loophole." I wish you had called, but

thanks for previous efforts. That is more than most in gungeon would do with respect to guns (other than maybe buy another one, and encourage others to do the same).

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. I've noticed denial on that.

I've also noticed that most of that denial takes the form of semantic quibbling (and not very many people on here do "semantic quibbling" well...but I digress). That there is a "gun show loophole" is a matter of demonstrable fact. Maybe it would be better termed a "private sale loophole," but that doesn't alter the fact that there is a loophole. In my view, expanding background checks was a no-brainer. I'd have preferred a bit different measure (one that included enhancing and opening the NICS system to private secure access so that any person could get a "yes or no" answer about someone they were going to sell a gun to...then mandating such checks on all private transfers), but the version voted on was workable.

As I mention in another thread (I think...might be this one...), the best thing thing could happen for the majority of gun owners would be for the NRA's stranglehold on that side of the gun control argument to be broken. That organization completely dominates the pro-gun "voice," yet its positions on many of the proposals recently under consideration are out of line with the views of the majority of gun owners (assuming polling is reasonably accurate). It's like having a loudmouthed, drunken uncle dominate the public impression of a family...

[Hoyt]

16. +0.9634

[Johonny]

8. selling guns to criminals is good business

and helps keep the non-criminals afraid so they buy more guns too. Which is also good for business. The only loser is society.

[apocalypsehow]

10. Pretty much nails it. Not one "RKBA enthusiast" or any other stripe of NRA-hugger gives one wet fig

about dead kids in Sandy Hook or dead movie goers in Aurora or about anyone else who is cut down thanks to their deadly little hobby if it means even the slightest impairment of their "right" to play with assault weapons in their living rooms, or strut through Wal Mart with a pistol perched in their pants.

They. Just. Don't. Care.

And that includes our basement full of "pro gun progressives,"* too.


*( )

[Hoyt]

17. They really are callous gun addicts.

[apocalypsehow]

18. Yep: their utter contempt for civilized society or even the most fundamental human decencies is

quite clear, and manifest - just like a drug addict deep in throes to a physical addiction. Good observation.

I can sympathize with the drug addict, though: he or she can't help themselves, and need life intervention. The gun nuts have no such excuse, however: most of them simply don't give a damn about how many people their bloody little hobby kills. They are psychopaths, in the literal definition of the term.

[Hoyt]

19. Agree. Sometimes I think they are afraid that might lose the right to buy a gun legally.

But they know they can't enjoy life without the means to shoot someone (when they deem it proper, say they were afraid unarmed teenager might harm them).

[nomorenomore08]

13. Generally the only way to keep guns from criminals is to have fewer total guns, period.

Exactly how to go about that I'm not sure, especially when something as minor as background checks was rejected by Congress.

[bhikkhu]

20. I hope this inspires politicians to tackle it at the state level

...I know my state is working on legislation, and knowing that congress is likely to do nothing should help it along.

[Erose999]

21. Most of them spend every waking moment fantasizing about their chance to shoot somebody. The fuckers

are desperate for their imaginary race war (they call it the "bug out&quot to be real.

[apocalypsehow]

22. Hell, we got a basement full of trigger-happy Bobo's *right here* who are just *itching*

to get into a Red Dawn-style shooting war with the whole wide world, and fantasize about it down in the Gungeon on a daily basis. NRA-Land truly is a delusional place.

Your reply is spot-on.

[Hugabear]

23. Pretty sure they actually hope someone wanders onto their property, so they can blast them away

They seem to relish those types of stories