Make gun owners the new PARIAH

[HockeyMom]

Just like smokers in public. This is HOW it can be done. SHUN them, and their guns. Yes, that especially includes family members.

[ZombieHorde]

1. I am not going to shun my loved ones.

Cutting off productive communication is not the way to peace, in my opinion.

[CTyankee]

78. As long as there IS productive communication! Lots of the time is is ONE WAY...

If it takes shunning these people, then so be it. We know that pro-slavery people were at odds with anit-slavery people in the months leading up to the Civil War.

Nobody said progress wasn't going to be easy...

[Shankapotomus]

127. If you're one of us

You'll shun your loved ones and leave them to die in the gutter like a fair ground fish.

It's the only way.

[flamingdem]

142. But right now you can be in their face a bit

They need to feel it, something is numb there when the events in Newton didn't make one less in love with ones gun.

[Pointy_n_sharp]

152. Why would I feel any differently about my gun?

It's been neatly placed in it's safe unless I'm using it and hasn't been used in any crimes...

[The Straight Story]

2. So my sister, brother-in-law, dad, nephews, uncles...why not make criminals pariah's?

Not one family member I know has ever harmed anyone with a gun, and my dad has a ccw (though he does not use it).

50 million gun owners and a few misuse them so we want to brand them all?

Reminds me of how the RW reacted after to 9/11 to certain people in society.

[geek tragedy]

10. Relax, your family's guns are considered more valuable than the lives of urban children in DC.

The right to own an implement of mass death is more sacrosanct than the right to not die of hunger or preventable disease.

[11 Bravo]

26. Ann Richards is dead. That's the only reason she's not currently ridiculing you and your ...

simplistic bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

30. There were 57 votes in the Senate today to effectively gut every state gun control law.

57 votes for the NRA's 'reciprocity' wet dream which would have allowed anyone with a permit from any state to carry a weapon in all 50 states.

Congress does not give a shit about how many dead children arise from the uncontrolled flow of guns in this country.

Congress wants to make it easier for mass murdering psychopaths to get weapons.

Gun owners are the most politically privileged group in the country outside of the bankers.

[arely staircase]

54. without a doubt

eom

[The Straight Story]

64. Nice try

By trying to say I and others think guns are more valuable than the lives of others.

So we should punish the many over what a tiny fraction of people do? Where else would you like to apply that logic?

Pressure cookers? Cars? Knives? Household chemicals?

[geek tragedy]

70. I didn't say you value them more than children. I said your government does.

Forget about punishing the innocent gun owners. We can't even inconvenience the evil ones.

[ScreamingMeemie]

3. That's rather mean and close-minded.

Sorry, you're on your own there.

[otohara]

25. Want to See MEAN

White House YouTube site - read the comments from the lunatic fringe of gun owners - gigantic assholes.

[Sissyk]

4. You go first.

Kick your husband, the NRA member, out.

[TimberValley]

5. Why shun smokers in public? nt.

[Bake]

138. Because they're burning instruments of mass destruction, of course!

Duh!







Bake

[TimberValley]

6. So tens of millions of Americans are going to be treated as a new "pariah?"

That's a lot of people.

[otohara]

27. Yes

I don't want my grandkids in any home with guns - I plan on calling every parent in my grandson's class.
Fuck em if they don't like it.

[Earth_First]

43. No you won't.

Quit tough guyin' on the internet.

[pipi_k]

162. Pffft...

What if your grandkids' teacher/teachers own a gun?

You going to remove them from those teachers' classes?

Maybe the principal owns a gun or two...remove the grandkids from the school?

Please.

[Bay Boy]

7. Great little idea you have there...

...make the estimated 50,000,000 to 80,000,000 gun owners pariahs? So that they ALL vote for Republicans next year? Well thought out plan there dude/dudette.

[FarCenter]

8. That's going to work in Arkansas, Alaska, Montana and North Dakota?

[nolabear]

9. No, it's not the way. You can't talk through a slammed door.

[arely staircase]

11. uh, no

I am a gun owner who supports gun control - background checks, assault weapons ban, magazine capacity limits.

I should be shunned why?

A lot of progressive supporters of gun control also own guns.

[otohara]

28. In Texas

you have to love guns.
It's required.

[arely staircase]

29. lots of liberal gun owners all over the country

eom

[otohara]

34. I Don't Know ONE

liberal who owns a gun.

If I meet one...we won't be buddies or even acquaintances.
True liberals don't need Glocks - or assault weapons.

[actslikeacarrot]

40. Not every gun is a Glock...

...or assault weapon.

[arely staircase]

41. meaning?

I am sure there are all kinds of people you don't know. what does that prove?

and as far as "true liberals goes:

"No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy by which an individual attempts to avoid being associated with an unpleasant act by asserting that no true member of the group they belong to would do such a thing. Instead of acknowledging that some members of a group have undesirable characteristics, the fallacy tries to redefine the group to exclude them. Sentences such as "all members of X have desirable trait Y" then become tautologies, because Y becomes a requirement of membership in X."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman

[otohara]

45. Fuck Guns and The People Who Buy Them

for supporting the billion dollar gun industry, who then supports the fuckers at the NRA and all the other evil asshole pro-gun organizations.

Bravo brave liberals - don't eat Monsanto tomatoes, or buy Georgia Pacific Koch paper - support the NRA instead.

[arely staircase]

49. lol

I can't tell if you are for real or not.

[otohara]

61. Well, We Boycott All Sorts of Corporations

Unless you feel the need to own a gun.
The worst thing you could possible bring into your home isn't a Monsanto tomato., it's a fucking gun.
How many gun accidents have happened this week - I won't be dying from a tomato anytime soon, but a gun - one stupid
move and BANG you're dead, or disabled for life.

[arely staircase]

66. again

I can't tell anymore.

[otohara]

73. I Don't Care What You Think

I'm on a mission for my neighbors dead 9 year old.

Guns are more important than the dead in this country.

and guess what, I'm not alone.

[arely staircase]

75. well, if true, you might re-think your tactics

eom

[otohara]

85. Calling Congress Didn't Do A Damn Thing

We tippy toe around gun owners and have been ignoring our gun problem for years.

How's that been working out?

[TimberValley]

42. Just because you don't know one doesn't mean they aren't there. nt.

[Go Vols]

47. Hes not as liberal as I would like

but he would be a good one for you to start with I guess.

[otohara]

48. Yep - This Pic Makes Me Wanna PUKE

Boo to Gabby Giffords and her husband too.

Touting their love of guns after what happened is sick.

[Union Scribe]

51. "Boo to Gabby Giffords"

FFS, take a break maybe?

[otohara]

69. I Keep Getting E-mails From

Mark and Gabby
I'm sick of them telling me I need to call and write, then adding ... we are proud gun owners.
You want people to listen to you - lead by example and shed the deadly weapons.

I called and called and wrote and...
they still have their guns.

Why would I support people who carry the weapons I deplore.
My neighbors son was murdered last year by her ex-husband.
He was 9 years old.
She's suicidal now.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

77. "Proud gun owners" WTF does that mean?

I collect hockey and baseball jerseys, however, I've never refereed to myself as a "proud jersey owner".

Taking pride in owning inanimate objects? More proof that there is such a thing as a gun fetish.

[otohara]

86. Here

https://www.google.com/search?q=proud+gun+owners&client=firefox-a&hs=IMI&rls=org.mozilla:en-UShttp://&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=by1vUaP3MMXDygGzv4Bo&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1472&bih=682

Hit images if this search result doesn't include images.

You're right - I didn't find anything for Proud Jersey Owner

[actslikeacarrot]

89. I think they are trying to appeal...

...to gun owners as well as those that don't own a gun. It is a good tactic to take, as the more mass appeal they gather the more results they could produce.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

92. I understand that. Nothing wrong with being proud of restoring a classic car,

or taking pride in being skilled in any given activity....

I just don't understand how a person could take pride in merely owning something (other than a car, house ect...) i.e: exchanging money for material goods.

[actslikeacarrot]

68. "Boo to Gabby Giffords"

I think you should self delete and start over.

[Yo_Mama]

62. According to Biden, he does n/t

[otohara]

71. What He Said About How Good It Feels To Hold A Gun

made me sick too.

Guns are not cool - sorry, they just aren't

[Pointy_n_sharp]

169. To you...

Others disagree...

Why exactly does your opinion trump theirs?

[cali]

76. come to vermont. I know dozens of them.

[otohara]

148. I Knew A 9 Year Old

adorable kid, lived down the street from me. He was mildly autistic but an amazing artist - he use to knock on my door looking for his kitty. Then last year his dad picked him up - took him to the mountains and blew their brains out.

There's a tree at his school up the street that was planted in his name. The day of the tree planting I heard some of the children express how scary it has been for them. Imagine that, children are scared and more and more of them will know a peer who has been a victim of gun violence. I read that many of the kids at Sandy Hook still can't sleep or wake up screaming.

I wonder if the responsible gun owners ever consider what all this is doing to our kids psyche. Probably not, they only care about their precious pieces of metal and a piece of paper written years ago when muskets were the weapon of choice.

I see his mom when she takes her daily walk by herself - she still looks miserable.

[Maine-ah]

160. Cali, I was going to say the same...

Come to Maine.....high gun ownership, low gun crime, a whole bunch of liberals - including this household.

[ecstatic]

147. I do.

I do know some gun owners and all of them are democrats living in suburban neighborhoods. None of them are in the NRA. They support gun control. Some gun owners (like the ones who bought assault weapons less than 24hrs after Sandy Hook massacre) do need to be shunned, but the broad brush approach isn't smart.

[etherealtruth]

121. Lots of liberals that are disgusted by gun ownership, as well

[arely staircase]

128. as unregulated as it is today, there are many

as there are many moderates.

[beevul]

12. Thats a great idea!

Give 80 million potential voters, many of whom comprise the single most energized voting bloc in existence, reason to be yet more energized and a strong likelihood of significantly increasing the size of their voting bloc.

What a great idea.

[randome]

13. Yeah...no.

Make those who are against background checks the new pariah.

[derby378]

14. Have fun living on your own little desert island

Meanwhile, here in the real world, we're going to try and work on something constructive.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But in the context of the "well-regulated militia," the background check bill is going to come back.

[otohara]

17. Can't Live Without A Gun?

why is that?

[derby378]

19. Nice try

Not falling for it, though. Never again.

[otohara]

15. I Hate Them All

it's me being emotional again.

Fucking hate the gun people in this country.

[Union Scribe]

31. Then your hatred is irrational.

As, frankly, most hatred is.

[otohara]

33. Happiness Is A Warm Gun

I don't think so.

Fuck guns and the people who can't live without them like.... Nancy Lanza

[Union Scribe]

35. Yeah, fuck that murder victim.

Do you really think you're accomplishing something with these frothy replies?

[otohara]

38. Murder Victim?

Stupid woman asking for trouble and she got it.

Frothy - I'm pissed - are you happy about today's vote?

[Union Scribe]

39. Yeah, you're clearly pissed

and it's making you say some irrational shit and assume a lot of bad things about lots of people who aren't your enemies.

[otohara]

55. Gun Are The Enemy

and those who buy them - shoot them.

Fuck that! Can't have one without the other.

[arely staircase]

57. jury results

Murder Victim?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2694849

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YOUR COMMENTS:

"Stupid woman asking for trouble and she got it."
yikes

JURY RESULTS

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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: this poster is over the top. Needs a glass of warm milk, some valium, and a nap

Thank you.

[otohara]

79. DU Moderators Always Have Snarky Remarks About Members

When I was one, back in the early days, no one saw them.
I don't appreciate being told I need a Valium, milk and a nap.

They talk about us behind our back - and they think it's funny.

[arely staircase]

81. and yet, eom

[otohara]

84. eom?

what's that?

[oneshooter]

171. eom....end of message. n/t

[actslikeacarrot]

88. Honestly I think I would rather...

...be told to my face than behind my back.

[otohara]

91. I Got To Say, It Was A Suprise

I did not know this was the new way of doing things.

But it is disappointing to see people who don't know me imply I'm in need of prescription drugs to shut me up.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

110. "Murder Victim? Stupid woman asking for trouble and she got it."

Around 70% of sexual are perpetrated by an unarmed attacker. Less than 10% of sexual assailants are armed. That means any woman with a gun has about a 10% chance of being just as armed as her would-be assailant while she has a 90% chance of being better armed.

But if you think a murder victim was asking for it we can only imagine what you think of rape victims.

[otohara]

117. Was She A Rape Victim?

Last edited Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:34 PM - Edit history (1)

No, no she wasn't.

If you have a teen doing drugs , do you buy them drugs?

She had a troubled kid who loved violent video games and stockpiled her home with a cache of weapons and more than a thousand rounds of ammunition. She was fucking clueless about his mass death planning downstairs in her own god-damn home. I'm nosy, when my son was being a little jerk in his teens because he was smoking pot, I knew exactly what was going on. I found the bongs, rolling papers, liquor, and the things kids use to cover up the smells - threw it all away.

It reminds me of the Columbine parents - too busy having cocktails to notice their son's were making bombs in their big suburban homes.

Myth #7: Guns make women safer.
Fact-check: In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
• A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
• One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun than women in states with lower gun ownership rates.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

[Nuclear Unicorn]

118. What about all the other women who carry for self-defense?

Why does Nancy Lanza vacate their rights?

[otohara]

120. Good Luck Ladies

as you scramble to get your gun from your messy purse. The perpetrator is two steps ahead of you.

Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense
Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense.
Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime.
Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense.
Few criminals are shot by decent law abiding citizens.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

[Nuclear Unicorn]

132. A "messy purse." How -- stereotypical

Self-defense is a human right and no amount of number massaging is going to change that.

But here's a study from Clinton's NIJ --

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is
shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the
application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz
to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.
Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most
recent DGU description for any of the following
reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator;
the respondent could not state a specific crime
that was involved in the incident; or the
respondent did not actually display the gun or
mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF
respondents (0.8 percent of the sample),
representing 1.5 million defensive users. This
estimate is directly comparable to the well-known
estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last
column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is
smaller, it is statistically plausible that the
difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of
multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF
respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million
DGUs.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt

1.5 million defensive users annually. Of course, when this government study was performed there were only half as many guns owned as there are today and gun crime is actually decreasing.

I've seen others cite stats that 4/5 of gun crimes are committed by criminals with prior records. As they are a far smaller sub-set of the problem you wish to confront it seems that dealing with them would make more logistical sense to deal with them rather than trying to criminalize 80 million people and pushing tens of millions into the waiting arms of the GOP.

[otohara]

133. I Was Thinking Of My Purse

Myth #7: Guns make women safer.
Fact-check: In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
• A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
• One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun than women in states with lower gun ownership rates.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

[Nuclear Unicorn]

134. Those stats are for men owning guns.

They don't say anything about a woman who owns a gun. And I'll wager abusive spouses forbid their victims from owning guns as they're controlling animals. In other words -- gun control.

[Eleanors38]

149. "Stupid woman asking for it..." See where hatred leads?

[oneshooter]

93. And tell me, what have myself or my family done to you or yours?

[otohara]

95. You Support The Gun Industry

which supports The NRA - and a host of other extreme right-wing organizations.

The NRA, ALEC, Gun Owners of America and others has hurt us all - including you and your family.

[oneshooter]

136. And how have they hurt me and my family?

[otohara]

140. You've Never Heard of ALEC?

Are you joking?
I'm not going to educate you on the evils of these shitty lobbying groups.

They've hurt you in so many ways - read about it.

[Codeine]

125. You're a silly person. nt

[pipi_k]

164. In the end...

your hatred isn't going to change a damned thing.

It will eat you up inside and make your life miserable, but the people you hate won't know or care.

[Hoyt]

16. Definitely need to change perception of gun culture in our society.

Most are just one fright away from becoming the next Zimmerman, or worse.

Many are just right wing bigots, arming up to "protect" themselves from the boogeyman in their mind.

[Logical]

18. See, this is how we start losing good dem! Bad idea! n-t

[JVS]

20. I only have a problem with the ones who use the guns to commit crimes, the rest are ok by me.

[otohara]

111. You Never Know When

someone will commit a crime with a gun.

My neighbor's ex-husband - guy in his early 60's, took their son and pulled a murder/suicide last year.
He never murdered anyone before last year.

[JVS]

115. I'm concerned with knowing the past and present, not the future.

I'm not going to shun people based on what they may or may not do.

[otohara]

119. The Only Episode I Had With A Gun

happened when my son was about 12 and there was a new family that moved into a rental house down the street. My son was visiting the two brothers and I called to get him to come home and no one answered. I went down there and low and behold, boys will be boys...I looked through the window and there they were...oggling the guns. The mom had locked them in the house and went to the store and as soon as she left...they went and found the gun collection. He said they weren't loaded, but how many kids get killed every week from guns that aren't loaded.

That was the last time my son was ever in their home.

I've already un-friended Facebook pals who post stupid gun stuff and I don't much care for the immigrant haters either.

[Lurker Deluxe]

159. None

"how many kids get killed every week from guns that aren't loaded?"

Exactly none. People do not get killed by unloaded guns, they get killed by loaded guns. Accidents happen when people assume guns are unloaded, either because they do not know how to use one, or in the case of a child, an irresponsible adult has left it loaded.

If basic gun safety was followed there would alot fewer gun accidents. Calling out responsible gun owners who treat their weapons with the respect they deserve is not going to get you anywhere.

[HockeyMom]

21. I have been putting my foot down for 40 years

NO, our children will NOT be taken shooting. YES, your guns WILL be in a combination safe where the children cannot see or have access to them. NO, I will not go anywhere with you while you are CARRYING YOUR gun. NO, I will not go with you to a shooting range. NO, I do not want you to buy ME a gun.

Our now adult daughters, son-in-law, brother-in-law: WE do not not want you in OUR HOME if you bring your gun into it.

Neighbors: From me, you will NOT be allowed in my home with your
gun.


WE don't have this right? Personally, would like to see OPEN carry so I can AVOID YOU. Don't like that? TOUGH. MY choice trumps YOUR choice on all of the above.

[ScreamingMeemie]

22. That isn't what your OP states.

Your rules in your home are just that...yours.

I don't have any guns in my home, and I don't want anyone entering my home carrying, but I'm not going to go all "PARIAH" on them. I would say most antigun people already do what you suggest.

Sorry.

I also am never going to go all crazy as heck on smokers... unless we all give up our cars tomorrow.

[Sissyk]

23. Did you kick him out?

[HockeyMom]

37. I police him

No guns around me. Our adult children do that also. The guns are in a combination safe, not in the nightstand or around the house, and he is all alone when he wants to be with his guns. Yeah, around guns, and he is shunned by the entire family.

I do not want to be around anyone with a gun. I recognize HE can have his guns,but I don't have to share, or be around them. I understand that by default that his guns are my guns as his spouse, but since we are both old, if he should die before me and I inherit them, it will be my right to get rid of them, which I WILL do. In fact, he is in the hospital right now. I suppose I should ask him what the combination is and if he wants to sell them to somebody he knows. Nobody in the family wants his guns or the responsibility to sell them.

[Sissyk]

44. I'm sorry he is in the hospital,

and hope he gets better soon.

[slackmaster]

56. It sounds like you are both perfectly miserable in your relationship.

I'd eject as soon as the kids were able to care for themselves.

[oneshooter]

94. Since you hate them so much,

Why don't you destroy them instead of selling them. That way you will not have any blood on your hands.

[HockeyMom]

103. IF he passes before me,

I might just give them up to the County. I have no desire to handle or hassle with them to sell them. Can't give them up?

[oneshooter]

141. You just might give them up?

If you hate them so much then you should commit to having them destroyed. After all, if you sell them you will have blood on your hands just like you say other gun owners have.

[beevul]

24. I can see that.

"Our now adult daughters, son-in-law, brother-in-law: WE do not not want you in OUR HOME if you bring your gun into it."

It sounds more like "you" do not want them in your home if they are carrying a gun, rather than "We".

[HockeyMom]

58. My son-in-law and brother-in-law?

Son-in-law is a NYC teacher. NOBODY in his family has ever owned a gun, and well, think about Sandy Hook. I influence him? My BIL, also from NYC, was 12 years old when he saw a mob killing in a restaurant and his Dad threw him under a table so he wouldn't get shot. I influenced HIM? My BIL and I talked about something only 6 monthd ago that we have in common. We both (never knew he did) witnessed a gun murder when we were little children. I suppose all those Sandy Hook children who survived should be right out there with there parents TEACHING them to SHOOT GUNS? Get over your fears!!!!! No, thank you. When you are 6 years old and have seen a person with their face blown away, and their blood and brains all over the windshield of a bus, you really don't want to be around the device that could do something like that. I only have a very small inkling of what those Sandy Hook kids must have seen. I had nightmares about that when it happen.

KEEP your guns, away from me, my daughters, SIL, and 70 year old BIL. Until you have witnessed a gun murder up close and personal, especialy as a child, you will NEVER know just what your best buddy can do to another human being.

[beevul]

65. Assume much?

"KEEP your guns, away from me, my daughters, SIL, and 70 year old BIL. Until you have witnessed a gun murder up close and personal, especialy as a child, you will NEVER know just what your best buddy can do to another human being."

What makes you think I haven't seen a gun death up close and personal?

And, as far as my "best buddy", I haven't bought a gun myself, in approximately 10 years.

Assume much?

[rl6214]

50. Aaaaaaaahahahaha

Still hating on your husband eh?

[lars1701a]

87. Can you imagine

what kind of grief he gets if he takes his firearms out of the safe to go shoot?

[HockeyMom]

100. Nothing

They are put in a bag, in his car, and he goes alone (besides even me), as long as they are locked up when he gets home. Oh, yes, WAY TOO MUCH to ask? When you forget to lock doors? Yeah, real safe there.

What you people do not like is that I am the wife of a gun owner who does not share or agree with guns. We have been marred almost 40 years. How long have YOU?

Marrying someone does not make you a clone of the other person. Maybe that is why so many marriage fail. Too many people think you have to be exactly the same as them.

Edit: I am a smoker and he does not like smoking, so I smoke outside. Give and take. So I cannot ask him to lock up his guns and not be around his guns? Compromise makes marriage work.

[rl6214]

102. I have been married 30 years and neither my wife or I

Dictate terms to each other on anything. And my children certainly wouldn't dictate anything to me either, we raised them to be more respectful than that.

[HockeyMom]

97. Only his GUNS

I have no problem with his golf clubs, computers, bikes, or garden.

[badtoworse]

59. Sounds like a loving marriage

[actslikeacarrot]

32. Hint: MANY gun owners...

...support gun control laws, especially beefed up background checks.

[Beearewhyain]

36. If this is what you want to do then you can't make it about guns and their owners

but what owning a gun represents. Most of those who are inclined toward the "self protection/2nd Amendment" type guns (i.e. not sportsmen and sportswomen) like to view themselves as brave. So brave in fact that they will sometimes invent threats that they can stand against as evidenced from some of the NRA ads. What would be required is to highlight that the behavior is a product of fear and a general feeling of a lack of efficacy over outside forces beyond their control. If that becomes the narrative, you win.

Bottom line is that you have to make it that owning a gun is not because you are brave but because you are scared.

*Full disclosure: I am for background checks and some gun control but not an all out ban.

[mikegray]

52. extreme much?

[slackmaster]

53. Does anyone have a good recipe for tar and feathers?

[gateley]

60. There are too many good people who own guns; they shouldn't be made to suffer for the extremists.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. You mean...like Gabby Giffords?

[cherokeeprogressive]

72. You cannot look at me and know whether or not I own a gun. You're not likely to see me with it.

Because that is so, the first time you gaze upon my lovely face I'll just be... someone without a gun. So then, what? Will you stand at the end of the driveway of the range I go to and sneer at me as I enter? That's the only place you'll likely ever see me where there's even a chance I'll have a gun with me. In this instance carrying will mean nothing more sinister than transporting it from the trunk of my car, unloaded and probably in a case, from the parking lot to the range.

That's why the gun owner as smoker analogy doesn't work. Cigarettes were smoked openly, everywhere, always. Guns aren't like that. I've been to over 40 states and I can honestly say I've never seen anyone just carrying a gun. Never seen it. And I'm from southeast L.A. County even. I suppose now that you know I own a gun you can shun me, but otherwise if you were to meet me by happenstance in my every day life I'd neither have a gun or be the kind of person to talk about them. You might even like me even though I'd be harboring a terrible secret. I'm a gun owner (but I don't smoke).

How do you decide who to shun then? You're limited to your own family and friends. If you took this stance with them one and all, then it would be you, and them. A circle of them, with you looking in from the outside. I'm sure more than a few of them would say, one to the other, "HockeyMom's shunning me because I own a gun. Man that sucks. Hey you wanna come over for a barbeque on Saturday? Of course bring the kids dummy." Either that or you're sure enough of yourself that you believe each and every one of your family and friends would divest themselves of any and all firearms upon your demand.

You couldn't shun me though if we met on the street. You wouldn't know whether or not I own a gun.

[HockeyMom]

104. I have said many times I prefer open carry

As with smokers you can avoid them if you don't like being around smoke. If you don't want to be around people with guns, and they are concealed, how do you know? Not my choice to stay away from somebody with a gun?

[cherokeeprogressive]

114. I don't carry my gun anywhere but to the range and back. I'm as much of a gun owner as one who

carries his gun.

You still wouldn't know me from someone who doesn't own a gun.

[sweetapogee]

116. do you really think

that most gun owners are going to care if you shun them? How do we on the one hand call them wack jobs and on the other hand expect to make progress by shunning them? Just askin.

[cali]

74. ha ha. like that will happen. I live in Vermont, as liberal a state as there is

but the hunting culture is revered here. guns are accepted in even the most liberal circles. And this is a deep blue state.

[tammywammy]

80. This is the stupidest post I've seen in a while.

Congrats.

[Mopar151]

82. Get over yourself, please

Tjhe majority of gun owners support universal background checks. The NRA left reasonable, responsible gun owners behind long ago.

[HockeyMom]

107. Do you support National Repocrity?

Do you believe a state should be able to pass gun control and that other people from other states should have to honor that?

[Mopar151]

112. When in that state, sure.

But depends on what you mean by honor....

[trof]

83. Now ya got me smokin' outside with a bunch of gun nuts? Thanks.

[Llewlladdwr]

90. I'm not going to shun my family and friends just to make *you* feel better about yourself. nt

[otohara]

96. The NRA Thanks You

and ALEC and Gun Owners of America and all the other propaganda organizations for the billion dollar gun industry.

More guns means more money for the pro-gun lobbyists.
Yeah

[Llewlladdwr]

99. Yeah, cause spending time with my 72 year old father who happens to own a shotgun is pure evil.

Get over your self-righteousness....

[otohara]

105. Family & Friends

just got watered down to your grandfather and his old shotgun.

Not going to be silent on guns - so put me on ignore PLEASE.

[Llewlladdwr]

113. Ignore? No need.

It's more fun to poke you back.

[otohara]

126. Poke All You Want

Mock, poke, insult, tease, intimidate, threaten...It's common practice from gun folk to bully, poke, mock etc... gun owners who drive with their precious guns are more apt to aggressive behavior on the road. They are also quite proficient at being dicks on the internet.

I've been mocked my entire life - Having a lifelong disability has toughened me up. The worst thing I ever did was kick a kid with my brace after he said something really mean. Good thing I didn't have a gun to solve my self esteem problem.

[sweetapogee]

166. ok

"Mock, poke, insult, tease, intimidate, threaten...It's common practice from gun folk to bully, poke, mock etc... "

Problem is of course that the same tactic against gunsters would have the same result and make them even more determined, even more dickish.

[SpartanDem]

109. It's not true no matter how much you self righteously rant

are you going to blame alcohol industry for every DUI? I say that as a gun owner who supported this bill, the idea that the 99.5% of people who don't misuse a legal item, should be blamed for the sins that do is ridiculous on it's face

[otohara]

129. Remember When Drunk Drivers

got a slap on the hand?

Drunk drivers who killed people in the 70's literally got away with murder.
Then the laws changed.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/03/dui.culture/

[Union Scribe]

144. So we hold people who act irresponsibly accountable

Sounds good to me. But that's not what this thread is about. With this analogy, the OP and you would 'hate' and 'shun' all drinkers, not just 'drunk drivers.'

[unclebob]

98. Uhmm no

I have lots of family that own guns, some even own assault weapons, I refuse to shun them. How the heck an I supposed to open their eyes to gun control if I flat out shun and ignore them.. This is not what we want to do, we want to change minds, not close them.

[HockeyMom]

106. You refuse to be around them when they have guns with them

You cannot understand that? You cannot bring your gun into my home. Daddy = gun? All the time?

[rrneck]

101. ...

[Throd]

108. How do I shun myself?

[pipi_k]

168. I tried it once...

It's not easy but it can be done.

Take all the mirrors out of your home.

If that's impossible, then steadfastly refuse to look yourself in the eye in one.

Never talk to yourself. If you do, don't answer.

That'll learn ya...

[Lizzie Poppet]

122. Oh, what a GREAT idea: make tens of millions of Americans pariahs.

[beevul]

123. Shun the nonbelievers...

[Serve The Servants]

124. NOPE

Going to show a little extra love to smokers and gun owners just to spite this stupid post.

[dkf]

130. Joe Biden has guns...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/biden-second-amendment.php?m=1

[Llewlladdwr]

143. As I understand it, the President himself enjoys the occasional round of skeet.

Does he go on the pariah list as well?

[Marrah_G]

131. No

[lynne]

135. And exactly how will you know who they are?

Sure, if you're already aware they own guns then you're good to go on the shunning business. What about your friends and family that haven't told you they conceal carry or have a gun in the nightstand? What about the general public? How are you going to know who to shun and who not to shun? It's not like they're standing outside a building in groups puffing away. Smokers are so easy to ID. Gun owners - not so much.

You need to be able to identify your target before you go hunting. Any gun owner could have told you that!

[Demo_Chris]

137. Better idea, let's make anyone who doesn't agree with me a pariah

I will provide you all with a complete list of acceptable positions when I get more time, but here's a partial list to get you started:

1. People who watch golf on TV
2. People who wear confederate flags (or put them on their vehicles)
3. People who make strident claims either for or against gun control
4. Anyone from Canada named Steve -- you just can't trust them
5. Adults who watch "My Little Pony"

More later.

[davidpdx]

157. Wait a sec, I want to add to that list

6. People who likes Sponge Bob.
7. People who likes Friends


LOL

[Brigid]

139. Nope.

I have a brother and a BIL who are perfectly capable of owning rifles for deer.hunting without being stupid about it. No need for me to be stupid about it either.

[nomorenomore08]

145. Over-the-top, and for many people, impractical.

*Disclaimer: I highly doubt I would ever own firearms of any kind, even if I lived out in the country, and I feel that the legitimate uses of guns - hunting, target practice, occasionally (but not usually) self-defense - are rather limited. I would honestly feel better if our gun laws were closer to Britain's or Australia's than to what they are now.

[ecstatic]

146. Is this really about gun owners, most of whom are for background checks...

or should this be about the NRA and republicans who bow to them? Not all gun owners are nuts who are trying to prevent background checks and gun control.

[Eleanors38]

150. This thread is so sad. No pile on for the OP...

The message in the OP has been openly promoted by others on DU. For some, hatred, stigmatization and dehumanization are now the order of the day. And it is done in the name of some higher morality which must certainly go beyond the ideals of liberalism and progressive thought; in fact, inclusion of the children of the hated Other as enemies suggests an almost cult-like disposition.

Thus won't drive away those supporting 2A, but it may very well drive away many progressives from DU who now must slog through every mean-spirited expression of animosity over the issue of guns in an effort to revitalize the Democratic Party. Perhaps that is the real reason for the open hatred and demand for legitimizing that hatred. The gun ban extremists can't rid themselves of progressive gun-owners, and they can't do anything about an increasingly corporate Democratic Party, so they lash out at Monsters of their own creation.

Fellow DUers need to seriously consider where this raw hatred is taking a once-leading web- voice of liberal-left thought. It's suffusing more than just a group or two. It's creeping into a lot more.

[Pointy_n_sharp]

151. That's the amazing thing about CONCEALED carry...

No one knows...

[justiceischeap]

154. 90% of Americans, which includes a good many gun owners, support this legislation

So, really, gun owners aren't the pariah at all, it's gun lobbyists. The President was correct in what he said yesterday, it's up to gun owners who support this legislation to convince the lobbyists its in their best interests to support it too.

[hepkat]

155. They already are

Their organization just urinated on 90% of the American people. On the most benign measures possible.

Gun Owners Death Cult has to be destroyed.

[Macoy51]

156. The Republican Party Called.....

The republican party called…and they love this idea!!! They fully support the idea that Democrats should mock and belittle gun owners at every opportunity. Let the gun owners know that they have small penises (even the women) and are racist, paranoid mouth breathers.

The republicans have really been in a bind lately and this would help them immensely. Karl Rove is a genus for cooking up this idea.



macoy

[Lurks Often]

158. Lead by example!!! Pack your stuff up and move out

of your home. If not, your OP and all of your responses are hypocritical.

[pipi_k]

161. Cool!

I'll just divorce Mr Pipi, who actually owns the guns in our home. Sell off all our possessions, give up the home we've lived in for 17 years, and alienate my in-laws, who have been like my own family for nearly 20 years.

Yeah. Great plan.

And while I'm at it, I'm not real happy with people who drink. They could potentially kill someone in a drunk driving incident, so I'll disown friends and relatives who drink as well.

Smokers. Disgusting. They help support an industry that kills hundreds of thousands of people a year.

People who eat fast food. They help support an industry whose "food" is instrumental in killing a few hundred thousand more Americans each year.


PS...while you're shunning former friends and relatives for owning guns, better make sure you shun people who perform services for you too. Hairdressers. Doctors. Dentists. Plumbers. Electricians. Don't rent a house or apartment from a landlord who owns a gun.

Oh what fun...so many people to shun...so little time!


Do I really need to include

?

[BainsBane]

163. the problem is not gun owners

It's the gun lobby and gun nuts. Ordinary gun owners support background checks and all of the President's measures.

[cynatnite]

165. Stupid post. n/t

[Joshua Pistachio]

167. I do not wish to make 22% of Democrats pariahs

No, sir.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160223/men-married-southerners-likely-gun-owners.aspx

[pipi_k]

170. Hypocrisy and double standards

really suck.


OP said:

Make gun owners the new PARIAH

Just like smokers in public. This is HOW it can be done. SHUN them, and their guns. Yes, that especially includes family members.

After reading the entire thread, I learn a couple of things.

You are married to someone who owns guns. You have apparently not shunned him for owning guns.

I would have a bit more respect (not a lot, but some) for someone who came here and said:

"I have shunned everyone in my life who owns a gun, including my spouse"

Instead, what we've been subjected to in this thread are blahblahblah excuses, and blahblahblah justifications, and blahblahblah rationalizations for not doing what others are expected to do.

So my advice here would be that unless/until this:

shun
/SHən/
Verb
Persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something).
Synonyms
avoid - evade - eschew - elude - shirk - dodge - flee

is done in your own home, you might want to consider not advising others to do it.