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Schrödinger's Suspect - Is Boston Bomber in Custody or Not in Custody? (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2013 OP
Wolf will open the box soon. RagAss Apr 2013 #1
... and find Al Capone's treasure. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #5
Ehhh, you beat me to it. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #11
Or maybe Geraldo. He likes to open stuff. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #8
Is there a connection? zappaman Apr 2013 #2
There are multiple connections. MineralMan Apr 2013 #4
It all depends dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #3
I can't even tell what state MY energy is in. MineralMan Apr 2013 #7
I just measured my energy William Seger Apr 2013 #24
You see? It's always best not to observe too closely. MineralMan Apr 2013 #25
CBC news is reporting he is in custody. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #6
NECN is saying he's not. It's an indeterminate state still. MineralMan Apr 2013 #10
I think all those networks need to find a new source. Sheesh snagglepuss Apr 2013 #27
CNN reporting "Too Close To Call" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2013 #9
What do the polls say, though? MineralMan Apr 2013 #12
Aaaand... fugop Apr 2013 #16
LOL - thanks for the laugh Taverner Apr 2013 #13
I believe there may be too many observers, making MineralMan Apr 2013 #18
Oh no, the spacetime continuum has been corrupted and two mutliverses are merging.... JustFiveMoreMinutes Apr 2013 #14
It can happen - just ask the Doctor.... Taverner Apr 2013 #20
The FBI is supposed to give a news briefing in TWO HOURS AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #15
I assume he is. My reasoning being that announcing you have a suspect at all before you have... JVS Apr 2013 #17
Still waiting for the superimposed states to decohere. nt longship Apr 2013 #19
they have not yet collapsed the suspect's wave function FarCenter Apr 2013 #21
They may be stumbling over "detained for questioning" vs. "arrested for the crime of..." kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #22
rendition to a non-US jurisdiction for terminal interrogation is the preferred outcome FarCenter Apr 2013 #26
Wolf Blitzer: "I'm not opening the box! You open the box!" MineralMan Apr 2013 #23

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
14. Oh no, the spacetime continuum has been corrupted and two mutliverses are merging....
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:25 PM
Apr 2013

That's at least what Fox News is reporting.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
17. I assume he is. My reasoning being that announcing you have a suspect at all before you have...
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:26 PM
Apr 2013

apprehended someone is really careless. You might as well say "get yourself a good hideout" if you're going to do that.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
22. They may be stumbling over "detained for questioning" vs. "arrested for the crime of..."
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:06 PM - Edit history (1)

It's a blurry line. Supposedly the distinction lies in the different standards for detention and arrest. Detention requires only a reasonable suspicion that the detained has committed a crime or is about to. The police can keep you by force, and ask you questions. This is an investigative detention and supposedly there are limits to how far they can go. Arrest requires probable cause to believe that you indeed have committed a crime. Attempt to leave when you are being detained and that in itself will probably be used as probable cause to arrest you, so you can see how the line gets blurred very quickly. Also, if you are required to "go downtown for questioning" with the police, that is ipso facto an arrest, but only if they REQUIRE you to do so. You might volunteer to a nice polite request believing yourself to have no option - and beware if you do. Anything they say or do to make the detained believe (based on the standard of a reasonable inference made by a reasonable person) that he or she will not be allowed to leave the interview after answering some questions, or that there is no option but to agree to accompany the police elsewhere for the interview, then that subject is under arrest from the point of view of the law, whether they've been told they are under arrest or not. And when subjects are under arrest their Miranda rights apply - but not before then. So you can see how it is to the advantage of the police to question suspects informally for as long as they can, without having them "in custody," while doing nothing to dispel the likely assumption by the detained person that they are under arrest and must talk or else stand on their 5th amendment rights to remain silent. Please come down to the station cafeteria and help Officer Friendly out on a few points, if you would be so kind? It's his feeding time, and when his blood sugar is low he gets pains in his ankles. If you go voluntarily, not under compulsion, they aren't compelled to inform you that you have a right to a lawyer and a right to keep your mouth shut. So they don't want you in custody necessarily if they sense you might make incriminating statements under slight pressure.

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