Everyone's heart goes out to Boston. Everyone but the NRA and Gun Nuts. They don't care.

[riqster]

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/everyones-heart-goes-out-to-boston-everyone-except-for-the-nra-and-other-gun-nuts-they-dont-care/

Makes me sick.

[ZombieHorde]

1. A blog about something silly someone in high school said?

Using a high-school student's statement to broad brush a large group of people, and then blog about it, seems, well...high schoolish to me.

[hack89]

2. So one asshole makes a sick comment and all gun owners don't care about Boston? Ok.

at least we know where you are coming from.

[riqster]

13. "all gun owners"? Not what it said.

Read the post again, and this time pay attention to the actual words used, not the ones you think are there.

[hack89]

15. Gun nut is a flexible term around here. Usually means "disagrees with me on gun control." nt

[LanternWaste]

21. I've always inferred it to mean an extremist, much as the pejorative 'fundies"

I've always inferred it to mean, all things being equal, an extremist; much as the pejorative 'fundies" is also not inclusive of all Christians.

However, I do realize we will often interpret a thing as to better maintain our melodramatic martyrdom.

[hack89]

22. And "extremist" often means "disagrees with me."

owning an AR-15 or more than one gun makes you an extremist.

[riqster]

23. See Reply 13. nt

[ksoze]

28. But your post title implied the NRA and "gun nuts". Plural.

Although you appear to have simply titled this post the same as this one off blog post, don't be surprised if you get flack. If you use the same title of an inflammatory obscure blog post, expect to be lit up.

[riqster]

31. Sure, no worries there.

If someone wants to argue that "gun nuts" = "all gun owners", well, I'll beg to differ. Especially since I am a gun owner who despises gun nuts.

Debate is why we're here.

[morningfog]

60. Do you identify with "the NRA and gun nuts"?

[premium]

3. What a stupid thread.

There are millions of gun owners and NRA members who are just as horrified at this cowardly act as any one else in the country.

[riqster]

4. As a gun owner, so am I.

But the NRA and the nutters are not representative of us. The blog post specifically calls out the NRA and gun nuts, not all gun owners.

[Robb]

5. This. Why is this distinction "missed"?

[krispos42]

47. Because a gun owner that disagrees with you become a gun nut

I have my positions on guns. I do not derive them from NRA/militia/ "patriot"/"sovereign citizen" fantasies, nor do I regurgitate their talking points in defense of my opinions. They feel the need to whip people into a frenzy of fear in order to get political action.

Of course, the gun-control side does as well, so logic and reason, which should be enough... isn't.

[Robb]

48. Yeah, yeah. Gun nuts think they're being reasonable.

Gun nuts don't think they're nuts, it's everyone else who's just being illogical. Film at 11.

[krispos42]

49. Thank you for proving my point.

n/t

[Robb]

50. And you, for illustrating mine.

Everyone else is the problem, aren't they? Just like everyone else's gun is part of the problem, maybe, but certainly not yours. Yours are magical, special snowflakes.

[krispos42]

52. Could be that both side has some facts wrong.

And that thus the opinions derived from those misconception are therefore, at the least, questionable.


But you'd rather call people names.

[Robb]

53. Hey, don't look at me.

I'm not the one that comes running every time someone chastises gun nuts for being gun nuts.

[krispos42]

54. No, you're the one that uses derogatory terms continuously...

...and then acts surprised when people notice, or you don't get a civil conversation.

[Robb]

55. If you know in your heart you're not a gun nut...

...but choose to be offended every time someone talks about gun nuts, you're either an apologist for the gun nuts, a gun nut yourself being insincere about your self-identification, a horrific board nanny, or suffering from tremendous low self-esteem, lying awake nights wondering whether everything negative on the internet might be a slight aimed at you.

I have nothing against gun owners who align themselves with the cause of effective gun safety legislation. I have everything against the rest.

Consider this: if you spend all your time telling everyone how you're the real adult in the room, you're probably not.

TL;DR version: fuck the NRA and their witless apologists.

[krispos42]

56. Or you can choose to not be offensive

But transferring the insult to the problem of the insulted is something I associate with the other side.

How many times have you heard "I'm sorry if somebody was offended..."? The non-apology apology.


And, sorry, but you will not even tolerate a discussion on "effective gun safety legislation", or what "effective" even means.

[Robb]

57. "The other side"? Sorry, pally, but I've got bad news.

You're on it already.

[Robb]

59. You're offended I call gun nuts, gun nuts?

On their behalf, or something? Vicarious indignation?

[krispos42]

61. I'm bothered that you think so highly of yourself...

...that anybody that disagrees with you must be crazy.

[Robb]

62. Do you think the term somehow belittles good, honest gun owners

...who just don't give a whit about saving anyone's lives but their own in some zero-likelihood-of-ever-happening shootout?

How could ANY term manage to make them smaller than they already are?

[premium]

6. Fair enough.

But the gun nuts are a small minority of gun owners in the country and just because the NRA hasn't commented on this, doesn't mean they're not just as shocked as the rest of the country.

[riqster]

10. Given past history, the NRA will use this tragedy for their own ends

The NRA was quiet after Newtown, and remember what they said when they did open their organizational yap? They used the tragedy to whip up the Gun Nuts and push other crap that the majority of Americans reject.

[premium]

12. You could be right,

it remains to be seen.

[Lizzie Poppet]

36. Without defining what the latter term actually MEANS?

Useless, inflammatory horseshit...

[quinnox]

7. Fuck the NRA and the right wing gun nuts

Hell, the NRA is probably thinking up a new campaign to use this tragedy as a new excuse to push their all Americans should be armed nonsense. They have no shame.

[former9thward]

8. You are really stretching.

A high schooler makes a jr. high remark (assuming it is real and not made up by the blogger) and so you think all people that support gun rights own the remark. You must be sick a lot.

[riqster]

11. That ain't what the post said.

It said gun nuts, not "all people that support gun rights". You must not read a lot.

[hack89]

14. Gun nut is a flexible term around here. Usually means "disagrees with me on gun control." nt

[former9thward]

16. Oh yes the old "gun nuts" slogan.

Not defined of course. That way you can always say "Oh I don't mean you!" to whatever group or individual that you choose. I have read countless posts on DU that define anyone who believes in gun rights to be a "gun nut". Whenever I read the term "gun nuts" it is always by someone who does not respect any gun rights whatsoever.

[riqster]

17. As I have said several times already, on this very day in fact, and yea,verily upon this very thread

I am a gun owner. So your statement "Whenever I read the term "gun nuts" it is always by someone who does not respect any gun rights whatsoever." is pretty clearly not applicable to me.

Try to read the words that are actually used by the people you're arguing with instead of inserting your own.

[former9thward]

43. The claim (on the internet) that you are a gun owner means nothing about rights.

Who knows what you think of gun rights. Again "gun nuts" is not defined so that you can attack anyone who does not have the same view as you concerning rights. The fact you are relying on an alleged quote by some high school student to attack others shows where you will go.

[riqster]

44. High-School classmate does not mean the person is currently in high school

In my case, I am 55 years old, and so too would be any of my "high-school classmates", nicht wahr?

And anyone who owns a gun cannot be "someone who does not respect any gun rights whatsoever" , now can he?

Attention to detail, Grasshopper...

[NCTraveler]

9. My heart goes out to those with limited thinking skills.

[TacoD]

18. FYI, offending post was by a highschool classmate of the blogger, not a current highschooler (nt)

[riqster]

19. Indeed (good eye)

Both I and the classmate are now 55 years old.

We didn't like each other very much back in the 60's or 70's either, but he's on the FB list for reunions, obits and such.

[sakabatou]

20. Yes, that guy made a very asinine comment

But I don't see how that goes for every gun nutter.

[apocalypsehow]

24. Yep - it was the same after Sandy Hook. Within *MINUTES* of the breaking of the news

here on DU, our "pro gun progressives"* were running around the forums screaming about how unfair it all was - to "RKBA enthusiasts."

Not ONE word of sympathy or expression of regret for what happened to those kids.

Not ONE murmur of disapproval for the kind of gun culture that produced and helped perpetuate such horrors as had gone on that day.

Not ONE backing down of rabid and fanatical defense of the NRA, and the entire right-wing, GOP-owned gun lobby.

NOT ONE.

Instead all we got was reasons guns were great, and braying about how what was needed to remedy the situation was MORE guns, not less. It truly is sickening, just as you say.


*( )

[riqster]

26. OT, that's a great screen name.

ApocalypseHow, that is brilliant.

[apocalypsehow]

33. Thanks!

[sarisataka]

29. Go back and read threads

note the times posted.
Within five minutes of the report, there were calls for more gun control, without and mention of sympathy for any victims- at the time it was unknown if there were any.

Pro-2A posters were some of the first to express concern...

[Skip Intro]

32. Now don't mess up a rambling rant with reality. nt

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[apocalypsehow]

38. 1. No need, I was on DU that day and know what went on. 2(a) So what? It was (and is) a gun control

issue; we knew from the second that the story broke that what it amounted to was some asshole(s) with a gun(s) on a rampage. The facts bore that out. 2(b) FALSE. 3. No, they weren't: and to the extent that they did, it was only within the context of braying about their "right" to tote around high-powered, military-grade weaponry unimpeded, which is to say the "concern" expressed was insincere. Which it was.

Class dismissed.

[sarisataka]

41. 1. You probably were

2(a)"So what?" I don't think I even need to counter that
2(b) saying it is false does not make it so. Advance search is down or I could show you.
3. Mind reading again? You know if people are sincere or not reading a post, you're good. At the risk of being in error, I would venture there was not one person braying about their right to tote around high-powered, military-grade weaponry unimpeded that day. Probably not any mention of guns at all except in counter to knee jerk reactions.

[apocalypsehow]

42. "At the risk of being in error" - And are. Throughout. n/t.

[sarisataka]

25. Others who don't care

VPC
Brady Campaign
MADD
WWF
WWE
Planters Nuts

None of them have made statements on Boston. I am sure some of them and the NRA and many others are looking to make political hay about this as well.

[Ter]

27. Define gun nut

I oppose all gun-control, does that make me one? I think the NRA is too weak, I prefer the no-compromise GOA. With that said, my love goes out to everyone hurt in Boston.

[Skip Intro]

30. What a ridiculous and tacky post. Borders on obscene.

Using a tragedy less than 24 hours old to attack a political enemy.

Really shameful.

Btw, have you read DU GD yesterday and today? More than a few focused on blaming the personal political boogeymen, based on nothing.

Talk about making DU suck...

[riqster]

37. "Based on nothing"?

Not so. Here is what the blog post responded to:

“I wonder if the people that blew the booms in Boston had or did a mandatory background check to see if they were mentally stable to have explosive devices??????”

Nor was it the only example of such sentiment being expressed. Some I have seen were far worse. I'm sure you can easily find tthem yourself. So, it wasn't based on nothing.

I'd also take exception with "attack a political enemy." The post expresses disgust and rage at the inhuman lack of regard for innocent lives that were lost, the terror inflicted, the damage that was done...the gun nut who posted that bit o' shit above in bold does. not. care. Nor do those who think like he does.
I'd submit that expressing outrage at the demonstrated and documented behavior of a person or persons does not necessarily equal attacking a political enemy.

[apocalypsehow]

39. Now don't mess up rambling rant with reality. nt

[Skip Intro]

45. Riiiight.

Your post is about a blog (yours?) ranting about a facebook post from some highschool kid. And you use it to attack the NRA and "gun nuts" (love that all purpose term).

You are blind to your own hypocrisy, and yeah, it's pretty damn shameful to use the deaths of people who just yesterday were living to try to score points against your political enemies. It's sickening and indecent.

That's why there are a number of posts calling you out for it.

[riqster]

46. I stated motivations clearly and forthrightly

Whether you choose to believe me is not within my control: it is also not particularly important to me, given the tendentiousness of your posts towards me on this thread.

Here, by the way, is another example of the phenomenon I am objecting to. You'll notice that it is not from me and not from a Facebook post on my timeline: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022686877

As I have said elsewhere, this is a widespread and corrosive attitude on the part of gun nuts and the NRA. I suggest we attack that rather than each other, but you must choose the path that you will walk.

[Lizzie Poppet]

34. "dicto simpliciter"

Just sayin'...

[Floyd_Gondolli]

35. Careful, we're not supposed to be mean to them

Until an unspecified period of time after Monday's bombings has passed.

[RZM]

40. So one of your Facebook friends said something stupid

Well, I guess that pretty much covers it.

[riqster]

51. Here's another example:

Rush Limbaugh: http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/17/1202460/-Limbaugh-Jokes-About-Boston-Bombs

It ain't just one asshole on my FB list.