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karynnj

(59,501 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:44 AM Apr 2013

Dan Senor and William Kristol's institute feel Kerry is too open to negotiations with North Korea

The Policy Iniative, whose board of directors include Dan Senor, William Kristol, and Robert Kagan are unhappy with John Kerry's "tone".
( http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/about/staff )

From the Christian Science Monitor,

Has the US relaxed the conditions under which it might talk with North Korea?

That question arises due to statements made by Secretary of State John Kerry over the weekend. In Tokyo on an East Asia swing, Secretary Kerry said Pyongyang would find a “ready partner” in the US if it began to give up its nuclear ambitions. Kerry added that he might dispatch a US representative to discussions in North Korea or talk through backchannels if North Korean officials first made the right concessions.

“I’m not going to be so stuck in the mud that an opportunity to actually get something done is flagrantly wasted because of a kind of predetermined stubbornness,” Kerry told US-based reporters.

For instance, the conservative Foreign Policy Initiative on Monday issued a statement titled “Kerry’s Dangerous Overtures on North Korea.”
Here is a link to their article that the Christian Science Monitor gives - http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/fpi-bulletin-kerry%E2%80%99s-dangerous-overtures-north-korea

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0415/North-Korea-nuclear-talks-Did-John-Kerry-soften-conditions-video

Here, the article points out that nothing Kerry said could be seen as policy change, but they are concerned that his tone suggests a willingness to use diplomacy -- something a diplomat really should do. Their article calls on Obama to rebuke Kerry for suggesting that the US could decrease (the recent additional missiles) - and lies about the condition Kerry stated - that China is successful in getting NK to move to denucleurization.


Their alternative appears to be uniting with China to affect change. Apparently, they ignore that that was EXACTLY what Senator Kerry was speaking of. This suggests that they simply want to paint Kerry - and through him - Obama as weak. The fact that these are among the people Romney would have turned to - you can imagine the number of wars we would be in had Romney won.
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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
1. Kristol's the danger
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:47 AM
Apr 2013

. . .twisting Kerry's words out of context.

The condemnations and warnings came first; the reconciliation was led by South Korean officials and Kerry was just affirming our current policy of being open to talks IF North Korea agreed to abandon their nuclear and antagonistic military policy and stance.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
3. Exactly, but note that he is not able to twist the actual words out of context
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:58 AM
Apr 2013

So, they complain of tone and they claim he said something that he did not say - this is pretty weak, but I hope that the State department reiterates what Kerry actually said.

In a war weary country, I suspect that Kristol has very little to gain here. The other danger is that (a la Iraq) he is taking the ONE study that suggests what most experts disagree with as PURE TRUTH. It may be that the big story of this trip is that the Obama administration is NOT taking one piece of questionable analysis as justification for a military strike.

I think Obama and Kerry are due praise for:

1) NOT throwing gasoline on an already explosive issue
2) Carefully working with China, South Korea and Japan - and I suspect, Russia
3) The world expected a missile launch yesterday - and it could still happen - but if it doesn't that is significant.

blm

(113,039 posts)
8. Majority of us voted FOR Dem use of diplomacy over GOPs dumb warmongering
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:01 PM
Apr 2013

in 2008 and 2012. Señor wants to go back to the Bush way. Bush would have had a North Korea War Group in place months ago.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
5. No one here will - but Romney did have him as a lead foreign policy surrogate
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:01 AM
Apr 2013

and his (and Kagan and Kristol's) neo-con hawkish nonsense does get coverage from the media. It is worth looking at the fact that Obaam/Kerry did seem to - at least moderately - tamp down the rhetoric here AND that the RW wants to ramp it up.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
4. Oh well...if only they had gotten elected and had a say
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:00 AM
Apr 2013

Too bad, so sad.

Besides, after Dan Senor and his incompetent cronies at the Coalition Provisional Authority basically set off the Iraqi insurgency, I really wouldn't trust the guy to speak on foreign policy, like, ever.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
9. Well - it does remind us WHY they should not be in office.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013

It is also good to see attacks as they start. They are actually positioning moderate success as a NEGATIVE here - and real success - not likely as it is - as a failure.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
10. Yeah, they felt the same back in 2001, and look where that got us.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

Instead of talking to them, they spewed their "Axis of Evil" bullshit. They spouted this kind of idiotic rhetoric, instead of dealing with North Korea. Then they ignored them for years. That worked out well, didn't it? Kristol and Senor need to just shut the hell up and then go fuck themselves.

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