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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:47 AM Apr 2013

Michelle Rhee in Florida pushing the Parent Trigger law. She really is pushy.

She seems to feel no shame over the revelations that she ignored her own cheating scandal in DC

Rhee failed to act on evidence of cheating because it undermined her success narrative, according to Merrow. He concludes his lengthy piece with:

This story is bound to remind old Washington hands of Watergate and Senator Howard Baker’s famous question, “What did the President know and when did he know it?” It has a memo that answers an echo of Baker’s question, “What did Michelle know, and when did she know it?” And the entire sordid story recalls the lesson of Watergate lesson, “It’s not the crime; it’s the coverup.”

That Michelle Rhee named her new organization “StudentsFirst” is beyond ironic.


Instead she preferred to let people think that her policies were causing the high testing scores. That is just dishonest. Now she is spreading her faulty policies in Florida again.

Michelle Rhee makes the rounds in the Florida Capitol

Despite mounting criticism over a possible cheating scandal in Washington, D.C., nationally recognized education activist Michelle Rhee was in Tallahassee Monday to discuss a flurry of schools-related proposals in Florida.

"We're here to answer questions and lend our support in any way possible," Rhee said while waiting to meet with House Speaker Will Weatherford.

When asked which bills she was lobbying for, Rhee directed a reporter to the website for her education nonprofit, StudentsFirst. The organization lists performance pay for teachers, expanding school choice, and empowering parents as its top legislative priorities.

.."It's no secret that Rhee supports the Parent Empowerment Act, better known as the parent trigger. The proposal would let parents demand sweeping changes at low-performing schools, including having the school converted into a charter school.


No one seems to know who gave Michelle Rhee such power over teachers and public schools. No one seems to care really.

Let them eat cupcakes. Plus why Michelle Rhee is lawyering up.

Adell Cothorne says that now for the first time in her life she can be googled.

Taking on Rhee, Inc. hasn’t come without personal costs. Adell gave up her job as principal and abandoned, at least for now, the doctorate she was close to finishing, a study of the use of culturally competent instruction to eliminate the achievement gap for elementary school-age African American males. She says that she felt she had no choice but to walk away from her job and her studies because of a fight that felt more important than either. “I needed to do what was right for not only those kids in DC but all students. Testing is killing our education system.”

In the coming days we’ll be treated to endless news stories and puff pieces about Michelle Rhee. Thanks to the bravery of Adell Cothorne, much of this coverage will now include words like “investigation,” “tampering,” “suspicion” and “cheating.” So let’s toast to Adell and hope for better days ahead. And since a little something sweet is just the thing to accompany that toast, why not sample a fresh baked cupcake? Adell thoughtfully provided the following recipe, one of dozens of varieties of cupcakes that she bakes at her new shop, Cooks n’ Cakes. She named this one in honor of Rhee and her successor, Kaya Henderson. It’s called “Let Them Eat Cake.”

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Michelle Rhee in Florida pushing the Parent Trigger law. She really is pushy. (Original Post) madfloridian Apr 2013 OP
Obama's gal. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #1
"Pushy" REALLY? jehop61 Apr 2013 #2
No, I won't rephrase. madfloridian Apr 2013 #6
Maybe consider a trigger warning? AngryAmish Apr 2013 #8
You're joking, right? madfloridian Apr 2013 #10
Pushy men are called "dicks" Throd Apr 2013 #14
Yeah, so let's just call her the female version of a "dick". That'll be well received. 11 Bravo Apr 2013 #42
she really is something is`t she... madrchsod Apr 2013 #3
She doesn't have truth on her side n2doc Apr 2013 #4
She is a shameless soulless liar and self-promoter jsr Apr 2013 #5
She's a black hole. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #7
That's the truth. madfloridian Apr 2013 #12
It's part of a deeper rooted problem in American society MattBaggins Apr 2013 #36
Crabs in a pail. A great metaphor for Americans today. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #46
Accountability. hay rick Apr 2013 #51
I hate to hear Rhee is anywhere in Florida... Sancho Apr 2013 #9
Yes, they are. Even our Democrats here listen to her. madfloridian Apr 2013 #11
There is a ton of money behind her jsr Apr 2013 #13
Well, if you are going to use sexist terms such as 'pushy' to describe her, msanthrope Apr 2013 #17
"Pushy" is sexist? hay rick Apr 2013 #18
I know, that's ridiculous, right? Anything to aggrevate. It's a hijack for sure. madfloridian Apr 2013 #19
Yes. And I'm not the only poster who noted it. msanthrope Apr 2013 #20
There are 3 of you now trying to discredit this thread. madfloridian Apr 2013 #21
It's a CONSPIRACY! nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #22
See. You get to do that with impunity. madfloridian Apr 2013 #25
If you don't like what I, and the two other posters have written, you have two options. msanthrope Apr 2013 #28
Wow. madfloridian Apr 2013 #30
You discredit yourself when you use sexist terms. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #23
I am a woman. madfloridian Apr 2013 #27
So? Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #39
I can't make "headway" because this is Obama's policy. madfloridian Apr 2013 #24
Kindlly show me the quote where President Obama supports 'parent trigger laws.' nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #26
He supports Rhee. Link madfloridian Apr 2013 #29
From 2008, he called her a "wonderful new superintendent?" in a debate? msanthrope Apr 2013 #33
Rhee is a hideous creature that... Oilwellian Apr 2013 #15
I know the word "sociopath" gets thrown around a lot, but duffyduff Apr 2013 #16
Saw Michelle Rhee on Bill Maher a couple weeks ago. hay rick Apr 2013 #31
I think it is made up, too. n/t duffyduff Apr 2013 #43
yep. she lies about everything. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #47
So I have been wondering MattBaggins Apr 2013 #32
With parent trigger the parents get to choose the charter school company. madfloridian Apr 2013 #34
Looking at the CA law, I don't see why not. msanthrope Apr 2013 #35
Are they? MattBaggins Apr 2013 #38
Under CA law, charters are public schools. And most charters msanthrope Apr 2013 #40
If I move tomorrow to CA can I go to the local charter school and sign up? MattBaggins Apr 2013 #41
If you move tomorrow to CA, I would suggest you use the statewide ballot msanthrope Apr 2013 #44
Good questions. madfloridian Apr 2013 #49
You rock. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #53
2012 Arne praises Rhee publicly. madfloridian Apr 2013 #37
Posting serious stuff is just about useless. madfloridian Apr 2013 #45
Don't stop doing it, please. Many more people are reading than replying, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #48
Only to chervilant Apr 2013 #50
They do it because they know it derails a great thread. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #54
No, it's not useless. jsr Apr 2013 #55
Our country ignores torture camps, education is way down on the list just1voice Apr 2013 #52

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
2. "Pushy" REALLY?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:19 AM
Apr 2013

No matter what your opinion is on this issue, you should NEVER use that old and trite phrase "pushy" in referring to a woman. Why is it that strong women are pushy, but strong men are leaders? Rephrase please.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
6. No, I won't rephrase.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:45 AM
Apr 2013

That's a ridiculous statement to me. Michelle Rhee is pushy, someone gave her the power to be that way over teachers, career teachers. People who care about those they teach.

I could have used the word obnoxious, or a choice of many other words.

Good grief.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
3. she really is something is`t she...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:11 AM
Apr 2013

she gets away with this crap because the hatred of public schools and the teacher`s unions over ride the truth.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
7. She's a black hole.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:50 AM
Apr 2013

A narcissicist. A film flam artist. Unfortunately people love her brand of snake oil, it's so much easier to blame teachers and hurt them than to actually address the real problem.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
36. It's part of a deeper rooted problem in American society
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

From attacks on workers, to SS, Medicare and the healthcare issue; we are quite literally raised as Americans to hate and blame our neighbors instead of those actually responsible.

Pissed that public workers have healthcare? Don't fight for healthcare for everyone; instead do the American thing and take healthcare away from those that have it. Why give a neighbor a helping hand when you can trip them up instead.

hay rick

(7,606 posts)
51. Accountability.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:43 PM
Apr 2013

Michelle Rhee and the education "reformers" have developed a simplistic, cynical formula to sell their wares. It goes something like this:
Step 1. Test achievement.
Step 2. Hold teachers and administrators responsible if test results are disappointing. Fire as necessary.
Step 3. Replace failing schools with charters.
The bottom line: better schools.

The appealing part of this is measuring achievement. Doing well on tests is achievement by definition. Achievement on tests is a good thing, but it hardly ensures a useful education. A more jaundiced look at the Rhee formula:

Step 1. Test achievement. The obvious failing here is that it creates a huge incentive to cheat. That's what happened in Atlanta and in Washington D. C. Rhee's "success" was a sham from the very start.

Step 2. Hold teachers and administrators responsible. The sales appeal of this idea is that it lets students, parents, and the rest of society off the hook. "Accountability" is a rhetorical cudgel which is used to justify efforts to undermine tenure and seniority agreements. Defining the problem as "bad teachers" makes union rights and protections bad guys in this morality play. Weakening unions leads to lower pay and benefits, longer work hours and less job security for teachers.

Step 3. Replace failing schools with charters. The money that is saved on teachers can then be transferred to the real bottom line: profits and high salaries in the for-profit education industry.

An article on the educational benefits of charter schools in Florida: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-10-16/features/os-scott-maxwell-charter-schools-101712-20121016_1_charter-schools-imani-elementary-traditional-schools

One of every five has failed to keep its doors open.

And last year charter schools accounted for nearly 50 percent of the state's F-rated schools, even though they accounted for only 11 percent of the total public schools.

Put another way: Charter schools were seven times more likely to fail.

Yet Florida politicians barreled ahead, vowing to pour more tax dollars into this flawed system — and now they're talking about doubling the number of kids in charter schools.

Charter schools in Florida are prolific political donors and some politicians have direct family ties with the schools. Another article: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/9-investigates-lawmakers-connections-charter-schoo/nS6Z3/

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
9. I hate to hear Rhee is anywhere in Florida...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:54 AM
Apr 2013

when I call my local representatives, they are usually idiots who actually listen to her crap.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
13. There is a ton of money behind her
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

Wherever she goes, she is very good at scamming the locals into thinking she's an out-of-the-box forward-thinking pathbreaking non-profit visionary pioneer lone ranger or some such bullcrap.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
17. Well, if you are going to use sexist terms such as 'pushy' to describe her,
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

you aren't really going to make much headway.

She's a lobbyist, pure and simple. You should be able to use non-sexist terms to critique her and what she is advocating.

What is wrong with parent trigger laws?*** If you cannot make an argument with attacking Rhee, then you've lost.




***I'm not taking a stand on them.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. Yes. And I'm not the only poster who noted it.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:39 AM
Apr 2013

"Get Rid of the Pushy Broad Syndrome."

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2011/07/24/the_pushy_broad_syndrome/


If one cannot figure out how to overcome Michelle Rhee without using the term 'pushy,' then you've pretty much lost the argument.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
28. If you don't like what I, and the two other posters have written, you have two options.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

1) Ignore.

2) Send my posts to a jury.

You are not a victim here.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
24. I can't make "headway" because this is Obama's policy.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:43 AM
Apr 2013

And he supports what Rhee does.

Thus, most Democrats are eager to embrace her policies.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
33. From 2008, he called her a "wonderful new superintendent?" in a debate?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:59 AM
Apr 2013

That's what you are using as 'proof?'

Oh, lordy.....

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
15. Rhee is a hideous creature that...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:00 AM
Apr 2013

pushes a hideous program to privatize our children's education. We better fight this for the sake of our very soul as a society. If we don't, we will one day soon be carpooling children to Walmart Elementary. Is CREW involved in Rhee's cheating on her test?

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
16. I know the word "sociopath" gets thrown around a lot, but
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

I seriously believe Michelle Rhee IS one.

Who the hell takes pleasure in firing a principal and having it shown in the national media?

Who the hell takes delight in bragging about duct taping students?

In interviews it is obvious something is "off" with her.

hay rick

(7,606 posts)
31. Saw Michelle Rhee on Bill Maher a couple weeks ago.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:56 AM
Apr 2013

She was the first guest and told a story that went something like this:

She walks into a Washington School and looks around at the classrooms- a lot of them have a teacher and just 3, 4, or 5 kids. Then she comes to a class with about 35 kids. There aren't enough chairs for everybody- it's standing room only. Rhee asks a "tough-looking" kid why this class is so crowded. The tough kid explains that this is a really good teacher and he learns something new every time he comes to this class. Rhee wanders around some more and finishes her visit to the school. As first period ends, she is walking out the door when she notices the tough kid and his friends walking out the door in front of her. She stops them and asks them where they are going. The tough kid explains that they just came for the one good class and now they are leaving.

That sounds like a made up story to me...

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
32. So I have been wondering
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:57 AM
Apr 2013

Can parents use trigger laws against corrupt, so called public charter schools, or do they get a pass from these laws?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
34. With parent trigger the parents get to choose the charter school company.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:01 PM
Apr 2013

They think they are gaining power, but they are only gaining the right to pick which charter company takes away their choices.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
40. Under CA law, charters are public schools. And most charters
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:09 PM
Apr 2013

are granted at the local district level.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
41. If I move tomorrow to CA can I go to the local charter school and sign up?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

Can I go to the local public schools and sign up?

Do the charter schools have to follow every single law that the public schools do?
Do they have one night a year where parents can get applications?
Do they only allow open enrollments for 9th grade and then hand pick after that?
Do they respond to local boards?
Do they have a fair system of grievance for families of children kicked out?

Public schools my ass.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
44. If you move tomorrow to CA, I would suggest you use the statewide ballot
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:22 PM
Apr 2013

initiative process to mold the charter law (enacted in 1992) to your wishes.

I am sure you will have a groundswell of support.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
53. You rock.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:01 AM
Apr 2013

The distortion of the use of the word "public" in this conversation has been festering for years.

Is the local shopping mall "public" because you don't need to pay to get in? No. Public means publicly owned, publicly run and publicly accountable. The end.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
48. Don't stop doing it, please. Many more people are reading than replying,
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:34 PM
Apr 2013

and stopping you is the troll's goal.

It can be frustrating, but have faith that it is worth it. They're afraid and they're stupid. We will win in the end unless we give up.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
50. Only to
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:38 PM
Apr 2013

online verbal bullies and those who tend to mistake argumentative derision for 'debate.'

Many of us know how hard you've been working to support teachers and public education. Only a few DUers seem oblivious to Rhee's relentless (nee pushy), politically-driven assault on teachers and public education.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
54. They do it because they know it derails a great thread.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 02:03 AM
Apr 2013

It's a sign of their desperation. Pathetic, really.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
52. Our country ignores torture camps, education is way down on the list
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 01:36 AM
Apr 2013

of corruption. Rhee was a known hack in D.C., hired to fire people and cut the education budget. She invented stories about teachers to get them fired, a true corporate hack.

Of course "No Child Left Behind" is a complete fraud since it's inception too. Our corrupt country is now based on lies and propaganda, Rhee is just one of 1000s of criminal frauds preying on the public in an almost endless number of different government-approved rackets.

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