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Our drones do shit like this all over the world every day. (Original Post) elehhhhna Apr 2013 OP
do we have a smilie for Give Me A Fuckin Break? NightWatcher Apr 2013 #1
What he said was true. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #4
If you seriously think Obama is ordering the US military to bomb civilians for the sake of killing Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #59
Why is he ordering it when he knows that thousands of civilians are being killed including hundreds sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #94
For the same reason FDR leveled entire cities to hit a single ball bearing factory. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #95
I asked you a question. Here's another. Were you a supporter of Bush's slaughter of over one million sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #97
I answered your question you're just playing obtuse. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #104
Don't want to answer where you stood on Bush's policies, fine, you don't have to. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #112
You brought Bush into the discussion to evade Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #116
I brought Bush's policies into the an issue where they are extremely relevant to the OP. Or did you sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #124
I voted for Obama in 2008 and I voted for Obama in 2012 ever after he expanded the drone program Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #127
Why won't you answer a simple question? Did you support Bush's policies and do you still support sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #129
You brought pre-emptive war into a thread about drones Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #130
Like I said, waste of time. But I do have my answer, just FYI. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #132
Just how do you claim I'm pro-Bush while I defend President Obama Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #137
This is really simple. IF you opposed Bush's policies which included the use of drones, and you sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #145
And notably, the response to your excellent comment is... stevenleser Apr 2013 #135
You just referred to a personal attack on me containing an outright lie as 'excellent'? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #146
TY for posting this, Sabrina. Here's my post from another thread... truth2power Apr 2013 #123
Thousands? Every day? Bake Apr 2013 #133
I told you a million times I hate hyperbole. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #142
Someone is. Double tap strike technique is used to kill those that come to help. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #102
The OP is correct cpwm17 Apr 2013 #103
nevertheless, thousands of civilians are being killed. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #114
Then Obama has slaughtered innocents and we should demand appropriate accounting Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #117
Don't think so. elleng Apr 2013 #5
The closest we have is this one. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #78
Randomly targeting innocent people? BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #2
Yes. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #8
No. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #10
I agree. False equivalency sucks. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #9
Some loud DU'ers thrive on such despicable rhetorical shit emulatorloo Apr 2013 #20
Which sucks worse, false equivalency or cognitive dissonance? MattBaggins Apr 2013 #131
We don't randomly target innocent people MNBrewer Apr 2013 #40
Comparing a drone attack based on bad intelligence BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #45
I am sure there will be more of these threads throughout the night npk Apr 2013 #51
I'm not saying it's bad intelligence MNBrewer Apr 2013 #53
This isn't a "random" terrorist act. progressoid Apr 2013 #62
Oh ffs, these were all innocent people who were randomly targeted BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #63
I'm just trying to understand progressoid Apr 2013 #81
There's no difference MNBrewer Apr 2013 #121
Suspected is the new guilty whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #118
Ever heard of a double tap? DesMoinesDem Apr 2013 #41
"double tap" sheshe2 Apr 2013 #110
Explain it please. Why are we reigning down terror on innocent people by remote control? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #96
targeting first responders? Most assuredly, it is called the "double tap strategy" Dragonfli Apr 2013 #108
are you suggesting that if we didn't have drones this wouldn't have happened? onenote Apr 2013 #3
Thanks for the post: there were only like six or seven other posts with same content as reminders! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #6
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #7
True, but I'm not sure this is the day to talk about drone violence. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #11
The reaction the deaths and maiming of innocent bystanders just might be the same in both cases. MNBrewer Apr 2013 #43
Reminder: we're always the bad guys. We also enjoy targeting marathon runners and TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #12
Maybe not marathon runners, but Fla_Democrat Apr 2013 #17
you spelled it wrong Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #26
Every day? Shivering Jemmy Apr 2013 #13
Trashed. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #14
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #15
Please put a graphic warning in your heading. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #16
What is the matter with you? bahrbearian Apr 2013 #32
True...they do! KoKo Apr 2013 #18
Yeah, we intentionally target innocent civilians ... 11 Bravo Apr 2013 #19
The op is a disgrace but our targeting is done with full knowledge that innocent civilians Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #28
This is a rather tone deaf post at this point in time. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #21
But oh, so predictable. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #33
What "our" Drones may or may not do is irrelevant. Riley18 Apr 2013 #22
It's just a "helpful" primer on how to put our shock, grief, and anger over this... AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #31
You hit too close to home for some. eom LittleBlue Apr 2013 #23
I agree. PFunk Apr 2013 #24
Our drones kill people at marathons every day around the world? npk Apr 2013 #25
What a fascinating and badly timed thought. Liberal Veteran Apr 2013 #27
I'm trying to find out if any of my friends are dead. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #29
Could not agree with you more. This is not the time for this shit, and I am amazed the thread is still_one Apr 2013 #37
Yes williampitt and still_one. I agree completely. anneboleyn Apr 2013 #69
+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #87
Agreed. My son was nearby and with cell phone service out, it took FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #98
Give me a fucking break. DU isn't only about you Pitt. n/t Dawgs Apr 2013 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #126
Wellll, no. You're not. sibelian Apr 2013 #134
Not every day but enough to make me sick when I think about it. Karma is a bitch!! I weep for all kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #30
So are you saying those killed today in Boston paid the price for atrocities around the world npk Apr 2013 #38
All those marathon fans were paying a Karmic debt? Codeine Apr 2013 #66
+100! n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #140
US Government terrorism provokes retaliation cpwm17 Apr 2013 #143
Just saying people who make statements like this are insensitive jerks still_one Apr 2013 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #35
and this is the bullshit we see on this site ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2013 #36
Please don't group the op with Democrats. I have no doubt if we did a poll still_one Apr 2013 #44
It's an ugly truth - Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #39
Yes. You are just sayin... MineralMan Apr 2013 #42
we attack big gatherings of civilians on purpose? not accidentally, but for the purpose of killing arely staircase Apr 2013 #46
Collateral damage is not accidental, it is incidental n/t JAbuchan08 Apr 2013 #106
But I'm sure those children deserved it. egduj Apr 2013 #47
Every day? Seriously? Terra Alta Apr 2013 #48
Oh geez.. thanks. Texasgal Apr 2013 #49
Human lives are equally sacred and it is a virtue to give their loss the same consideration. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #50
Thank you. Wait Wut Apr 2013 #52
No. We do not deliberately target innocent people simply to frighten them. We target kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #54
This is what "WE" Do.... KoKo Apr 2013 #57
Uh, look up the terms "double tap" and "signature strike" in regards to drone attacks. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #58
In my lifetime the US has been the world's leading aggressive, war-mongering nation cpwm17 Apr 2013 #109
For your edification: OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #113
What happened in Boston is amateur hour compared to one of our Drone strikes. bvar22 Apr 2013 #55
i keep thinking of the collateral damage video which put bradley manning behind bars xiamiam Apr 2013 #61
you win the stupidest fucking OP of the day award! dionysus Apr 2013 #56
...and I found it to be one of the more insightful and pertinent posts of the day. bvar22 Apr 2013 #65
Of course you did... SidDithers Apr 2013 #68
..vaht? vaz you shaying... something funny about dodgy characters to meeeeeee? dionysus Apr 2013 #88
And that's not easy! zappaman Apr 2013 #72
thank you. dionysus Apr 2013 #86
And the winner for "Stupidest fucking individual post" is the first in response to yours... Number23 Apr 2013 #76
Number 23, You and I are at an impasse. bvar22 Apr 2013 #84
The only impasse is the one in between your temples Number23 Apr 2013 #92
That wasnt necessary. jessie04 Apr 2013 #60
Compare and contrast: drone killings and terrorists killings TheProgressive Apr 2013 #64
My immediate thought upon reading your post is that you think we somehow deserved this. Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 #67
+1 dionysus Apr 2013 #83
No, they don't. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #70
It's a difficult truth that many Americans... 99Forever Apr 2013 #71
This is horrific Carolina Apr 2013 #73
I could describe this OP, but won't. I don't waste descriptive ridicule on garbage. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #74
Feel good about yourself, now? Number23 Apr 2013 #75
Yep. And, we call the victims "collateral damage" instead of people. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #77
Or "suspected militants". n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #136
And, we call the murderers "heroes". Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #141
Please delete this. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #79
What shit is that exactly? Kill and maim marathon runners? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #80
Can't we have sympathy for ALL who suffer, as a result of senseless acts mzmolly Apr 2013 #82
well, you'd think so, wouldn't you? dionysus Apr 2013 #89
opportunist. Drum Apr 2013 #85
that helps. spanone Apr 2013 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Apr 2013 #91
Welcome to Ignore, ass hat. Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2013 #93
This is one of the stupidest OPs I've ever seen on DU. kwassa Apr 2013 #99
elehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhna sheshe2 Apr 2013 #100
Our son was nearby. He's okay, but seven of his classmates were not so FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #101
Yes, our drones target innocent civilians on purpose ALL over the world... cynatnite Apr 2013 #105
Predictable ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #107
I am unaware of *any* US drone strike on a marathon anywhere in the world. nt Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #111
I've thought about this, and I'm going to recommend the OP. Ron Green Apr 2013 #115
Timing is everything. Yours sucks. Not that I expect you to get it. cali Apr 2013 #119
All over the world, you say? Recursion Apr 2013 #120
SMH Mr Dixon Apr 2013 #125
As the one neither denies nor validates the other LanternWaste Apr 2013 #128
Yep nt Taverner Apr 2013 #138
I so miss UNREC. n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #139
No not really. Rex Apr 2013 #144
Classless, RW-level drivel. sagat Apr 2013 #147

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
59. If you seriously think Obama is ordering the US military to bomb civilians for the sake of killing
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:35 PM
Apr 2013

civilians then where is the call for him to be impeached and prosecuted at the ICC?

The OP is ridiculous hyperbole.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
94. Why is he ordering it when he knows that thousands of civilians are being killed including hundreds
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:18 PM
Apr 2013

of children?

What is the purpose? Do YOU know?

Ever read any of the stories about the children how have been blown to bits by our drones?

Ever seen the texts of the lawsuits by parents, loved ones, feeling helpless in the face of the crimes committed against them?

It doesn't diminish us or these terrible tragedies that have occurred here to contemplate the horrors WE are reigning down on innocent populations who are just as valuable as human beings as we are. In fact it enhances us as a society to begin the process of ending our own terror attacks on other human beings, innocent human beings.

Unless of course we are to believe that we are superior beings. That brown people in other countries are maybe, not as valuable, maybe two thirds of a person? One? Bigotry is a sickness of the soul.

What happened today here was a cowardly act of terror against innocent people who in no way deserved it.

What happens in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia are cowardly acts of terror against innocent people who in no way deserve it.

There is no difference, a terrorist act is a terrorist act. Ask the victims. They are more than willing to tell you of their grief but we don't hear them, do we? We ignore them. Why?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
95. For the same reason FDR leveled entire cities to hit a single ball bearing factory.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:24 PM
Apr 2013

But hey, you think Obama is a war criminal. OK. Fine. It's your opinion, you're free to express it.

So who did you vote for last year?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
97. I asked you a question. Here's another. Were you a supporter of Bush's slaughter of over one million
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:31 PM
Apr 2013

human beings, or did you join us in our attempts to stop him?

You didn't answer my last question. You veered off into some kind of claim that Hitler is involved somehow. Did a Pakistani child declare war on the US?

I don't expect an answer. I see you are going to defend and excuse and, well, tell us that Bush was right, that we are at war with the world, we have enemies everywhere which justifies anything we do, no matter how heinous. I could be wrong of course. Airc we Democrats fiercely opposed the killing of human beings by this country based on the lies told in order to try to get our support. We were not fooled.


When was the last time a Pakistani child blew up Americans here? Airc, most of our tragic massacres which appear to be occurring ever more frequentily, have been committed by White Americans. Should we start using drones here? The threats to our security, to our school children appear to be right here. Why are we not droning suspicious looking people and areas here? Wait, I know, we don't want to kill innocent people! What a concept!

I opposed Bush's brutal, illegal policies. I still do. I never believed a word he said. I still don't.

How about you?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
104. I answered your question you're just playing obtuse.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:46 PM
Apr 2013

FDR ordered strikes on German ball bearing factories that used hundreds of planes dropping thousands of bombs per day for weeks at a time from high altitude which decreased the accuracy of the bombs but preserved the life of American pilots. He wasn't aiming at the German high command. He wasn't aiming at tanks or men or artillery. He was aiming at ball bearings. Small, tiny orbs of metal. And in the process tens of thousands of civilians died. An entire city was destroyed. And when they finished with that factory they went after another and another and another. They means more civilians died again and again and again.

Obama, in contrast, is using single aircraft firing a single weapon in an effort to hit people our best efforts tell us are the planners and coordinators of attacks similar to the one the OP claims we deserve (we don't). I see no reason to trade that formula for massive aerial bombing campaigns or boots on the ground. Nor do I see any reason to accuse Obama of indiscriminately killing civilians without provocation or a genuine effort to mitigate human suffering. If radical terrorists are as concerned about their families as we are supposed to be for their families then they should stop hiding amongst their families and they should stop deliberately attacking our families.

The drone attacks ordered by the President have incidental civilian casualties. The people he targets aim for civilians as a matter of policy. They're more than welcome to step-out of the shadows and fight military-to-military anytime they want.

So, since you obviously find Obama to be a war criminal -- who did you vote for?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
112. Don't want to answer where you stood on Bush's policies, fine, you don't have to.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:48 PM
Apr 2013

I opposed them, I recall the reports of one of his first drone strikes by a British Journalist, I will never forget the carnage, the frantic mothers almost fighting over children's body parts, unable to identify them but desperate to hold something of what was left of their children. The children were playing when death struck from the sky.

The reporter escaped without injury and lived to record and be a witness to that crime. The world was horrified, but the victims received no recognition in the country that committed the crime. Every democrat I knew at the time fiercely opposed those WMDs being used against innocent civilians. Every democrat I still know still holds on to the principles they had then.

FDR went to war against Hitler, a known villain who was threatening to take over the world. What is your point? Hitler was defeated but not before slaughtering millions of people.

Surely you are not claiming that there is any comparison between a Pakistani child and one of the most notorious monsters in history?

Noted that you have chosen not to respond to a very simple question. So I will assume you approved of Bush's drone policies. You may correct me if I am wrong.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
116. You brought Bush into the discussion to evade
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:49 AM
Apr 2013

What's the difference between a Pakistani child and a German child? How is a German child being incinerated or dismembered any less horrendous? The only difference between Hitler and bin Laden are the resources they had at their disposal. Do you think if al Quarts had a modern, industrialized army they wouldn't use it?

Don't ask me what I think of the drone policy, ask President Obama.

All I'm asking is that you take 10 seconds off from your moral high horse to answer a simple question at Democratic Underground -- who did you vote for?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
124. I brought Bush's policies into the an issue where they are extremely relevant to the OP. Or did you
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:52 AM
Apr 2013

read the OP? Drones, a policy started by Bush vehemently opposed by most Democrats and still opposed by most Democrats.

To get this insidious question out of the way, I supported and worked for Obama from the first time I heard him speak at the 2004 Democratic Convention through his Senate run and both elections.

What would that have to do with anything btw? Oh, I get it, you think that if people politically support a PERSON they should abandon their morals and ethics if that PERSON acts against them.

And thank you, I am proud of that HIGH HORSE I am on and intend to stay there, vastly preferable to the gutter I would be in if the very principles that caused me to support Obama were to be cast aside simply because I am blinded by loyalty to some one I voted for.

The simple question you refused to answer, did you support Bush when he initiated the drone program and since you brought it up, who did YOU vote for? Bush policies are not Democratic values.

As to your comparison of Hitler to OBL, it is so ridiculous, so off the wall, it would take an entire day to demonstrate the ridiculousness of it. So you want to play a game? It sounds like those lunatic radicals who accuse the US of being Hitler. Regarding the policies of Britain and its allies, including he US, war is evil, which is why no one should ever start one UNLESS it is to defend themselves. Our current Bush wars had nothing to do with defending this country as everyone now knows and most democrats knew right from the beginning.

So you did support the Bush doctrine of 'pre-emptive war then?

I will remain on this high horse. His name is 'Human Rights'. I despise situational ethics. When something is wrong it is wrong regardless.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
127. I voted for Obama in 2008 and I voted for Obama in 2012 ever after he expanded the drone program
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:00 AM
Apr 2013

and waged a war in Libya with no discernible threat to the US. But I don't consider Obama a war criminal. Apparently you do. Why did you vote in 2012 for someone you consider a war criminal?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
129. Why won't you answer a simple question? Did you support Bush's policies and do you still support
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:40 AM
Apr 2013

them? I opposed them and still oppose them. Obama promised to end the war in Iraq and to 'scale down' the war in Afganistan in 2008. It was the best offer we had to stop this madness. I didn't hear Romney promising to end any of it. Your question is ridiculous considering the circumstances we were placed in. I supported Obama with enormous enthusiasm in 2008. But with far less enthusiasm and fingers crossed that once he did not have to worry about reelection in 2012, he would feel far more free to end Bush policies here and overseas.

Now either answer the question, or I'm not wasting any more time here.

My principles do not change regardless of who the president is. I would be very worried about myself if they did. And that's who I have to live with, myself, not Bush, not Obama or any other politician.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
130. You brought pre-emptive war into a thread about drones
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

Spare me your ideological loyalty test. I'm not playing silly games.

You could have sat-out 2012 or voted for a candidate that you didn't consider to be a war criminal. But you voted for a candidate you call a war criminal in all but name only. That kinda cuts your high horse off at the knees. You can complain Romney would not have scaled down the war in Afghanistan but that's pretty weak.

I voted for Obama knowing he had engaged in pre-emptive war and launched hundreds of drone strikes that killed thousands. I voted for him knowing he had ended some Bush-era policies but expanded others and some of those expansions have deadly consequences. I voted for him knowing that as grievous as I thought the war in Iraq was he would not prosecute or even hold a Truth and Reconciliation commission. I voted for him even though dozens of prisoners who cannot be convicted in a military tribunal are being held on his order as too dangerous to release.

And so did you.

In other words -- you're no better than me.

Actually, that makes you worse because you claim his acts are war crimes. I believe that Obama as a person is better than the allegations being slung at him. I think he's plowing ahead trying to make the best choices possible in a bad situation. I do not accuse him of torture and murder. You do. And the best you can do to justify your vote for what you deem torture and murder is to splutter about things not even a part of the OP.

I framed my initial response in the thread in the context that war is brutal. I noted that a single drone firing a single missile trying to kill the commanders of people making dedicated efforts to kill civilians was better than hundreds of bombers dropping thousands of bombs on a city in order to knock out a ball bearing factory. I maintain that position without apology. As horrific as the present war may be it is not anywhere close to the scale the world has suffered with in the past and I believe the President has chosen the policy because it is the one that preserves the most life on both sides of the firing line.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
137. Just how do you claim I'm pro-Bush while I defend President Obama
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:38 PM
Apr 2013

while exonerating yourself from policies you voted to perpetuate knowing full well what was happening? You're quite the contortionist.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
145. This is really simple. IF you opposed Bush's policies which included the use of drones, and you
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 06:12 PM
Apr 2013

still oppose the use of drones and still don't defend it, you are upholding your PRINCIPLES rather than altering them because of politics.

IF you supported Bush's use of drones and defended him for and still support the policy and defend it, then you are at least consistent.

But IF you opposed Bush's policies which included the use of drones but now support and/or defend them, then you have what is known as 'situational ethics'. A phenomenon which occurs when a person is willing to forego their principles out of loyalty to someone, a relative, a politician or someone else.

A whole lot of democrats who used to scream and yell over Bush's use of drones, have now either gone silent or are outright defending something they once opposed because of politics.

You decide which of the three represents your position.

Number 1 represents mine.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
146. You just referred to a personal attack on me containing an outright lie as 'excellent'?
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:46 AM
Apr 2013

Crickets? You missed the many comments following that vile personal attack which you find to be excellent and the refusal, speaking of crickets, of this poster to respond to my very simple question. I don't know where you got your crickets from, but you need to go back and read my many responses to a person I should not have wasted a moment on after it became clear his/her lack of ability to abide by community standards here.

Interesting to say the least ...

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
123. TY for posting this, Sabrina. Here's my post from another thread...
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:55 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=455348

Yes, the thread is about Iraqi bombings. Probably sectarian violence...or maybe not.

Regardless, Americans just cannot connect the dots.

You speak very eloquently, but I think few are listening.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
133. Thousands? Every day?
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:05 PM
Apr 2013

Hyperbole much? Sounds like you're saying Boston deserved it.

Just asking.

Bake

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
102. Someone is. Double tap strike technique is used to kill those that come to help.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
Apr 2013

It targets first responders as a tactic, people that come to help the injured, ambulances, that sort of thing. I suppose he is completely unaware of these missions, it would be remarkable, but maybe. He may not order anything but just has an underling do that sort of thing. the tactic became a favorite of terrorist groups for decades, now we do it.

Just one in 50 victims of America’s deadly drone strikes in Pakistan are terrorists – while the rest are innocent civilians, a new report claimed today.
The authoritative joint study, by Stanford and New York Universities, concludes that men, women and children are being terrorised by the operations ’24 hours-a-day’.
And the authors lay much of the blame on the use of the ‘double-tap’ strike where a drone fires one missile – and then a second as rescuers try to drag victims from the rubble. One aid agency said they had a six-hour delay before going to the scene.


I hope you can refute the worldwide reporting of our country's use of this tactic. I really do. The death and terror experienced by innocent victims of bombings is horrible when terrorists do it, it is the same when our drones do it. It is not accidental when double tap tactics are employed. It is not worth killing 49 men, women and children for one terrorist as if life was meaningless and disposable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208307/Americas-deadly-double-tap-drone-attacks-killing-49-people-known-terrorist-Pakistan.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/world/europe/un-panel-to-investigate-rise-in-drone-strikes.html?_r=0

I hate that children die by gun in this country, terrorist bombings anywhere and I hate it when it is done in our name as well. I just can't be as cold as some are, do you hate it as well? I don't think of you as cold. I would like to keep thinking that.

A quick google reveals pages of international reporting on this. I want you to prove them all wrong, for my humanity, I NEED you to, I am not cold enough to not care.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
103. The OP is correct
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:46 PM
Apr 2013

Murder is murder, no matter what the nationality or color of the victim.

Murder is murder, no matter if they were alleged "militants" murdered by the aggressor nation or civilian victims murdered in a revenge attack by stateless terrorists.

They are all just as dead. It's all murder. Any bogus rationale for any attack is of no consequence to the victims.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
114. nevertheless, thousands of civilians are being killed.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:57 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/02/201322185240615179.html

not sure why it makes a difference that obama didn't target them specifically.

it sure wouldn't make a difference to me if it was my family member, friend, or neighbor.

i bet it wouldn't to you either, if it was yours.


"TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
117. Then Obama has slaughtered innocents and we should demand appropriate accounting
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 07:59 AM
Apr 2013

Unless there were legitimate targets and this is the least damaging means of saving other lives even though some innocents are killed.

Either we voted for a ruthless killer or the idealist we voted for has encountered a grim reality and is doing his best in a world of no easy answers.

emulatorloo

(44,072 posts)
20. Some loud DU'ers thrive on such despicable rhetorical shit
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:02 PM
Apr 2013

Gets them the attention and recs they crave.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
40. We don't randomly target innocent people
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:17 PM
Apr 2013

but god help the innocent people who are anywhere near one of the "guilty" targets we're aiming for.

Why does it matter if innocent people are killed with no discernable legitimate target nearby, while the innocent people who are killed when we're going for one of our "legitimate targets" are just collateral damage?

it wouldn't have anything to do with the letter after the name of the person in the Oval Office, would it?

Sheesh!

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
45. Comparing a drone attack based on bad intelligence
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:20 PM
Apr 2013

with a random terrorist act is fucking dumb.

Carry on.

npk

(3,660 posts)
51. I am sure there will be more of these threads throughout the night
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:25 PM
Apr 2013

Never let a tragedy go by without inserting that America targets and kills innocent people all over the world. It has almost become a tradition.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
53. I'm not saying it's bad intelligence
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:29 PM
Apr 2013

Maybe we got the "bad guy" right between the eyes with the drone... but the 5 people who were in line at the wedding reception also got blasted to bits.

The intelligence was flawless. We killed the "bad guy"... and a few others, but never mind THAT.

But you'll carry on as though nothing happened, because for you it didn't.

progressoid

(49,952 posts)
62. This isn't a "random" terrorist act.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:37 PM
Apr 2013

It was deliberate.

Regardless, when ours kill innocent civilians, we call it collateral damage. Bad intelligence notwithstanding.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
63. Oh ffs, these were all innocent people who were randomly targeted
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:43 PM
Apr 2013

What an absolute embarrassment your line of reasoning is.

progressoid

(49,952 posts)
81. I'm just trying to understand
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:54 PM
Apr 2013

the difference. So it's different when innocent people get killed by a bomb that is sent by a multi-million dollar targeting system than innocent people killed by random targeting? I wonder if it makes any difference to the victims.

Yes, it's a callous comparison. And, yes, the OP's post is a bit cavalier. Sadly, callous and cavalier seems to reflect the our war mentality lately.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
96. Explain it please. Why are we reigning down terror on innocent people by remote control?
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:24 PM
Apr 2013

We know the numbers, they are being documented, they are being witnessed for history. The victims are no less victims than those who were killed today. No less innocent. Unless you think babies are our enemies.

This was a cowardly act, what happened to today. Drone attacks are cowardly acts on innocent populations. What is the difference? The world wants to know. And the grieving mothers and fathers. They have been asking. Did you know that? They have been protesting, going to court, trying to alleviate their grief somehow, maybe by getting some justice for their dead babies. To validate them as human beings.

We want to know. Why is the US terrorizing innocent populations? It sure isn't making us 'safe' here. We have massacres here now on almost a monthly basis. Most of them committed by Americans, white Americans.

So can you explain our terror attacks on these people who have done nothing to us?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
108. targeting first responders? Most assuredly, it is called the "double tap strategy"
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:57 PM
Apr 2013

I wish it were bullshit.
It has been in the news a great deal lately, hundreds of international reports on our dishonorable tactics, even the NY Times has reported on it.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
6. Thanks for the post: there were only like six or seven other posts with same content as reminders!
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 07:54 PM
Apr 2013

What would we do on days like this without you?

Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
11. True, but I'm not sure this is the day to talk about drone violence.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 07:55 PM
Apr 2013

Drones and this attack are most likely separate issues. It's not like discussing gun control on a day a mass shooting occurred, since gun control and mass shootings are directly related.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
43. The reaction the deaths and maiming of innocent bystanders just might be the same in both cases.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:18 PM
Apr 2013

For those who witness it, and are the family and loved ones of those affected.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
12. Reminder: we're always the bad guys. We also enjoy targeting marathon runners and
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 07:56 PM
Apr 2013

spectators at happy events, just for the hell of it. Yup, I knew DUers wouldn't miss a chance to bash America.

Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
19. Yeah, we intentionally target innocent civilians ...
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:01 PM
Apr 2013

never. But it's always good to be reminded that the right hasn't cornered the market on abrasive assholes.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
28. The op is a disgrace but our targeting is done with full knowledge that innocent civilians
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:07 PM
Apr 2013

will be killed, and in addition we have declared all males within certain very broad age ranges to be a priori "combatants" and we are engaged in these operations outside of anything that can be even remotely categorized as a battlefield. In reality we are absolutely targeting civilians using our military forces and that is a war crime.

But the op is a disgrace. Not for its inaccuracy but for its obnoxious timing.

Riley18

(1,127 posts)
22. What "our" Drones may or may not do is irrelevant.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:05 PM
Apr 2013

I am not really clear on your point. Are you suggesting they deserved to to be bombed?

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
31. It's just a "helpful" primer on how to put our shock, grief, and anger over this...
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:11 PM
Apr 2013

...into some kind of perspective. In other words, we have no right to feel any of the three, because our moral indignation isn't as great as some others, and in the context of things, two people dead and scores hurt really isn't that much of a big deal. People suffer more on a daily basis. So shame on us for feeling shock, grief, and anger over Boston, because Christ knows, we can only channel our emotions into one tragedy at a time.

I should have known better than to log on to DU tonight.

Peace out.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
29. I'm trying to find out if any of my friends are dead.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:08 PM
Apr 2013

Take your moral superiority and shove it sideways.

still_one

(92,062 posts)
37. Could not agree with you more. This is not the time for this shit, and I am amazed the thread is
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:15 PM
Apr 2013

not locked due to its extreme insensitivity

FailureToCommunicate

(14,007 posts)
98. Agreed. My son was nearby and with cell phone service out, it took
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:42 PM
Apr 2013

awhile to find out if he was okay. Seven of his classmates were not so lucky.

Hope you find out your friends are okay, Will.


Screw this OP poster.

Response to Dawgs (Reply #122)

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
134. Wellll, no. You're not.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:12 PM
Apr 2013

You're arguing with people on the Internet, which clearly is more important.
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
30. Not every day but enough to make me sick when I think about it. Karma is a bitch!! I weep for all
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:08 PM
Apr 2013

who have been victimized by war and all acts of terrorism.

npk

(3,660 posts)
38. So are you saying those killed today in Boston paid the price for atrocities around the world
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:15 PM
Apr 2013

You said "Karma is a bitch." Do you believe it is "karma" for those killed and injured today in Boston?

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
143. US Government terrorism provokes retaliation
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:41 PM
Apr 2013

but it isn't "Karma." All terrorism is a crime. The perpetrators of these crimes are frequently not hurt in these attacks. There is no third party "Karma."

still_one

(92,062 posts)
34. Just saying people who make statements like this are insensitive jerks
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:12 PM
Apr 2013

since there is a very real possibility that there are individuals on du who have friends or family who may have been injured by this

I love pompous asses who have no personal involvement in the race, yet can paint everything black and white, unless it happens to them

Did you ever hear about a time and place for everything

This isn't the time

Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
36. and this is the bullshit we see on this site
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:12 PM
Apr 2013

and wonder why some people hate democrats as much as you hate republicans...

holy fuck what a STUPID thing to say...

sP

still_one

(92,062 posts)
44. Please don't group the op with Democrats. I have no doubt if we did a poll
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:18 PM
Apr 2013

Of Democrats his view would be outside of 2 standard deviations

If the op had any empathy for those in Boston the thread would be locked

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
46. we attack big gatherings of civilians on purpose? not accidentally, but for the purpose of killing
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:22 PM
Apr 2013

large numbers of civilians? have you reported this?

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
48. Every day? Seriously?
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:24 PM
Apr 2013


Are you suggesting we deserve what happened today in Boston?

It's posts like this that make DU suck. Just saying.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
52. Thank you.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:29 PM
Apr 2013

That means today means nothing to any of us. People die every day so it's no big deal when people die. Lack of compassion is the new black.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
54. No. We do not deliberately target innocent people simply to frighten them. We target
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:29 PM
Apr 2013

people who try to kill innocents or who have actually done so. Sadly, sometimes we hit other people, too.

Sad to see you, of all people, chiming in with this nonsense.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
109. In my lifetime the US has been the world's leading aggressive, war-mongering nation
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:57 PM
Apr 2013

Aggressive war-mongering nations are the leading cause for mass murder in this world.

Where have you been all of these years? You really should learn some history. Why don't you start with the Iraq War, which happened way back in 2003.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
113. For your edification:
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:55 PM
Apr 2013
HEADLINES JULY 24, 2012
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/24/headlines#7241

U.S. Drone Strike Kills 9 in Pakistan

At least nine people have been killed in a U.S. drone strike in northwest Pakistan. Pakistani officials say the victims were suspected militants, but the Obama administration’s policy is to deem all adult-male drone targets as militants unless exculpatory evidence emerges after their deaths.


Anwar al-Awlaki’s family speaks out against his son’s death in airstrike
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/anwar-al-awlakis-family-speaks-out-against-his-sons-deaths/2011/10/17/gIQA8kFssL_singlePage.html

In the days before a CIA drone strike killed al-Qaeda operative Anwar al-Awlaki last month, his 16-year-old son ran away from the family home in Yemen’s capital of Sanaa to try to find him, relatives say. When he, too, was killed in a U.S. airstrike Friday, the Awlaki family decided to speak out for the first time since the attacks.

“To kill a teenager is just unbelievable, really, and they claim that he is an al-Qaeda militant. It’s nonsense,” said Nasser al-Awlaki, a former Yemeni agriculture minister who was Anwar al-Awlaki’s father and the boy’s grandfather, speaking in a phone interview from Sanaa on Monday. “They want to justify his killing, that’s all.”

The teenager, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen who was born in Denver in 1995, and his 17-year-old Yemeni cousin were killed in a U.S. military strike that left nine people dead in southeastern Yemen.

The young Awlaki was the third American killed in Yemen in as many weeks. Samir Khan, an al-Qaeda propagandist from North Carolina, died alongside Anwar al-Awlaki.


Living Under Drones: Death, Injury and Trauma to Civilians from US Drone Practices in Pakistan
http://livingunderdrones.org/report/

First, while civilian casualties are rarely acknowledged by the US government, there is significant evidence that US drone strikes have injured and killed civilians. In public statements, the US states that there have been “no” or “single digit” civilian casualties.”(2) It is difficult to obtain data on strike casualties because of US efforts to shield the drone program from democratic accountability, compounded by the obstacles to independent investigation of strikes in North Waziristan. The best currently available public aggregate data on drone strikes are provided by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), an independent journalist organization. TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562-3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children.(3) TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228-1,362 individuals. Where media accounts do report civilian casualties, rarely is any information provided about the victims or the communities they leave behind. This report includes the harrowing narratives of many survivors, witnesses, and family members who provided evidence of civilian injuries and deaths in drone strikes to our research team. It also presents detailed accounts of three separate strikes, for which there is evidence of civilian deaths and injuries, including a March 2011 strike on a meeting of tribal elders that killed some 40 individuals.

Second, US drone strike policies cause considerable and under-accounted-for harm to the daily lives of ordinary civilians, beyond death and physical injury. Drones hover twenty-four hours a day over communities in northwest Pakistan, striking homes, vehicles, and public spaces without warning. Their presence terrorizes men, women, and children, giving rise to anxiety and psychological trauma among civilian communities. Those living under drones have to face the constant worry that a deadly strike may be fired at any moment, and the knowledge that they are powerless to protect themselves. These fears have affected behavior. The US practice of striking one area multiple times, and evidence that it has killed rescuers, makes both community members and humanitarian workers afraid or unwilling to assist injured victims. Some community members shy away from gathering in groups, including important tribal dispute-resolution bodies, out of fear that they may attract the attention of drone operators. Some parents choose to keep their children home, and children injured or traumatized by strikes have dropped out of school. Waziris told our researchers that the strikes have undermined cultural and religious practices related to burial, and made family members afraid to attend funerals. In addition, families who lost loved ones or their homes in drone strikes now struggle to support themselves.

Third, publicly available evidence that the strikes have made the US safer overall is ambiguous at best. The strikes have certainly killed alleged combatants and disrupted armed actor networks. However, serious concerns about the efficacy and counter-productive nature of drone strikes have been raised. The number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low—estimated at just 2%.(4) Furthermore, evidence suggests that US strikes have facilitated recruitment to violent non-state armed groups, and motivated further violent attacks. As the New York Times has reported, “drones have replaced Guantánamo as the recruiting tool of choice for militants.”(5) Drone strikes have also soured many Pakistanis on cooperation with the US and undermined US-Pakistani rel­ations. One major study shows that 74% of Pakistanis now consider the US an enemy.(6)

Fourth, current US targeted killings and drone strike practices undermine respect for the rule of law and international legal protections and may set dangerous precedents. This report casts doubt on the legality of strikes on individuals or groups not linked to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2011, and who do not pose imminent threats to the US. The US government’s failure to ensure basic transparency and accountability in its targeted killing policies, to provide necessary details about its targeted killing program, or adequately to set out the legal factors involved in decisions to strike hinders necessary democratic debate about a key aspect of US foreign and national security policy. US practices may also facilitate recourse to lethal force around the globe by establishing dangerous precedents for other governments. As drone manufacturers and officials successfully reduce export control barriers, and as more countries develop lethal drone technologies, these risks increase.


Sadaullah Wazir, teenager, former student from the village of Machi Khel in Mir Ali, North Waziristan, was severely injured in a September 2009 drone strike on his grandfather’s home.(1) Sadaullah has filed a complaint before the UN Human Rights Council.(2)

“Before the drone strikes started, my life was very good. I used to go to school and I used to be quite busy with that, but after the drone strikes, I stopped going to school now. I was happy because I thought I would become a doctor.” Sadaullah recalled, “Two missiles (were) fired at our hujra and three people died. My cousin and I were injured. We didn’t hear the missile at all and then it was there.” He further explained, “(The last thing I remembered was that) we had just broken our fast where we had eaten and just prayed. . . .We were having tea and just eating a bit and then there were missiles. . . . When I gained consciousness, there was a bandage on my eye. I didn’t know what had happened to my eye and I could only see from one.” Sadaullah lost both of his legs and one of his eyes in the attack. He informed us, “Before (the strike), my life was normal and very good because I could go anywhere and do anything. But now I am not able to do that because I have to stay inside. . . . Sometimes I have really bad headaches. . . . (and) if I walk too much (on my prosthetic legs), my legs hurt a lot. (Drones have) drastically affected life (in our area).”


Medea Benjamin: Drone Warfare: Killing By Remote Control (August 6, 2012) Pirate TV Seattle
http://archive.org/details/scm-90762-medeabenjamindronewarfarekilli

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
55. What happened in Boston is amateur hour compared to one of our Drone strikes.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:30 PM
Apr 2013

Our Drone Strikers have learned the terror value of the "Double Tap".
That is where a repeat attack is scheduled about 20 minutes after the first attack so that it takes out the First Responders.

When the People Who Help are too terrified to risk it,
the victims of the 1st attack get to lay in their blood and scream for hours.

Plus.
Our USA Freedom Bombs are much BIGGER.


USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
61. i keep thinking of the collateral damage video which put bradley manning behind bars
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 08:36 PM
Apr 2013

several threads are talking about how it is a natural reaction of people to help those in trouble or hurt and I think that's true and its impossible for me to not correlate the two..even if some think it is inappropriate at this time. Its all inappropriate..hurting anyone ever for any reason. I just don't understand the world in which we live.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
65. ...and I found it to be one of the more insightful and pertinent posts of the day.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:12 PM
Apr 2013

No wonder you and I find little with which we can agree.

It really is disturbing to see oneself reflected in the mirror unexpectedly, isn't it?
And, of course, the instinctive reaction is anger and denial.

Your name, as well as mine are on those Hellfire missiles,
but it is easier for some to feel the pain when it is close to their home,
and it is people like them bleeding in the wreckage.

Yes, what happened in Boston was an outrage,
but no more an outrage than the senseless destruction of innocents around the World everyday.
I thank the OP for widening the scope.


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
84. Number 23, You and I are at an impasse.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:00 PM
Apr 2013

I think we can ALL agree that it is not OK to fabricate LIES about a member of DU,
and post them to DU.


Number23,
You have knowingly posted false accusations about a member of DU.
This diminishes YOU,
and it diminishes DU.

I am referring to your post #263
of the thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022632517
where you stated:
[font color=red][font size=3]"Those recs are obviously putting food on your table."[/font][/font]
which, of course, is an outright fabrication (polite for "LIE&quot .

I called you on your fabrication,
and asked you to support it, or retract it.
You have failed to do so,
and have knowingly left false information about another member of DU standing
with YOUR name on it.
That is much worse than making a mistake out of confusion and frustration.
That is a sign of desperation and low character.

I take that seriously.
So should you.
So should DU.

We are now at an impasse.
Any response you make to a comment of mine on DU,
or any mention of my posts or name on DU
will be followed by this post.

YOU have the power to end this.
Either support your fabrications,
or retract them.

If you have enough integrity to correct the falsehoods you posted about me,
I will amend my posts publicly calling attention to them.

Sincerely,
bvar22
DU Member since 2001

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2644074

Number23

(24,544 posts)
92. The only impasse is the one in between your temples
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:16 PM
Apr 2013

If you want to decide that someone saying you getting recs helps you to feed a deer is something so direly serious enough that you need to bray about it for days on end, then that is on you. You have a VASTLY over elevated opinion of yourself, and your passionate desire to hear your own voice and read your own words is the real problem here.

No rational or thinking person (and truly that explains your inability to rationalize this properly) would conclude that someone saying that RECS ARE FEEDING A DAMN DEER is being serious. You and your feigned indignation are thoroughly boring.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
64. Compare and contrast: drone killings and terrorists killings
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:11 PM
Apr 2013

One person or persons kill people for political or otherwise terroristic motivations,
indiscriminately killing innocents and targets alike.

The Boston bomber(s) did the same thing.

Stinky The Clown

(67,766 posts)
67. My immediate thought upon reading your post is that you think we somehow deserved this.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:14 PM
Apr 2013

I am as strongly opposed to those as you are, but I don't think two wrongs make a right.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
71. It's a difficult truth that many Americans...
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:20 PM
Apr 2013

... turn a blind eye to.

As to whether today's awful tragedy was a direct result of the things our military does on a routine basis, has yet to be answered.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
73. This is horrific
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:26 PM
Apr 2013

and though there is a more sensitive way to say what you said, when I heard about the bombings and then saw the photos, my mind also flashed to the horror the US has unleashed on others (Shock & Awe, drones...). I am not saying this is payback nor that the poor innocent victims deserved what happened. Certainly not. But it made me think about what is done in our name elsewhere. The horror and later the hatred.

Just awful and so very sad.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
74. I could describe this OP, but won't. I don't waste descriptive ridicule on garbage.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:28 PM
Apr 2013

The cast of the amen corner for fourteen words of idiocy doesn't surprise me, last I saw of them they were ripping President Obama. Carry on.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
79. Please delete this.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:42 PM
Apr 2013

I have tried to alert, however I was late, someone or many others have tried.

Sadly, according to the DUmail, it was allow to stand.

This post hurts. it is disruptive in a time we need to come together. It sound like your saying we deserve this. Now I am sure that is not what you mean, however it is coming off that way.

I would appeal to you for the sake of not causing anymore pain than what many are feeling right now to delete.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
80. What shit is that exactly? Kill and maim marathon runners?
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:43 PM
Apr 2013

All over the world? You must live in a different and very small world.
One thing is for sure, people like you make inflammatory shit up every day to get undeserved attention.
WTF do drones have to do with what happened in Boston? Maybe you know something the rest of us don't.

Drum

(9,104 posts)
85. opportunist.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:00 PM
Apr 2013

Pls don't seize on things like this to make that point.

Distasteful, IMHO. Especially so from someone who appears not to revisit/defend their inflammatory post.

Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
99. This is one of the stupidest OPs I've ever seen on DU.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:42 PM
Apr 2013

Hijacking a tragedy for your personal axe-to-grind.

sheshe2

(83,669 posts)
100. elehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhna
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:43 PM
Apr 2013

Uncalled for.

Would you let those that live in Massachusetts locate our friends and family! Grieve for those we have lost. Before you dump on us!

Jesus!

FailureToCommunicate

(14,007 posts)
101. Our son was nearby. He's okay, but seven of his classmates were not so
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
Apr 2013

lucky.

Screw you, and the false equivalency drone you rode in on!



cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
105. Yes, our drones target innocent civilians on purpose ALL over the world...
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:46 PM
Apr 2013


Some people shouldn't be allowed internet access during times like this.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
115. I've thought about this, and I'm going to recommend the OP.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 12:06 AM
Apr 2013

It really depends on how "shit like this" is defined. If it means targeting ordinary people engaged in recreation, then the OP is a mean-spirited stretch.

If it means killing innocent people while making a political point, then the OP is a sobering reminder of U.S. misbehavior that demands our attention.

In either case, the division among the responses shows how strong is the tribalism here and elsewhere.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
128. As the one neither denies nor validates the other
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

As the one neither denies nor validates the other, it seems about as useful as telling a dying family member "people die all over the world everyday. Just saying..."

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, and both as useless and and idiotic as the other. (Just saying)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
144. No not really.
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:46 PM
Apr 2013

Sometimes they actually hit their intended target. Terrorist just bomb to create chaos and indiscriminately kill people. You might not believe it, but there is a difference.

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