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Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:46 AM Apr 2013

If John McCain had won in 2008, we would have two more conservative justices on the SCOTUS.

We would still be in Iraq. We would also be in Libya and Syria, and more than likely Iran. Also, more and more Americans would have limited access to health insurance. DADT would still be in effect in our military. And Sarah Palin would be your Vice President.

If Mitt Romney would have won in 2012, Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy would have been made permanent and even expanded, and more than likely, he would add another conservative to the SCOTUS. Finally, we would be preparing for the eventual invasion of Iran.

So, if you're feeling regret over voting for Obama, then you really need to educate yourself.

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If John McCain had won in 2008, we would have two more conservative justices on the SCOTUS. (Original Post) Yavin4 Apr 2013 OP
A lot of unsubstantiated speculation there....... bowens43 Apr 2013 #1
So, there would not be two openings on the SCOTUS Yavin4 Apr 2013 #2
They seem pretty accurate to me. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #4
Wow, what a happy relief these things did not happen. We just might have some opportunity to get Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #3
I feel no regret for my vote demwing Apr 2013 #5
"I don't regret the vote, I do regret the hope." LuvNewcastle Apr 2013 #24
Being disappointed in Obama does not equate to prefering that McCain or Romney would have won Armstead Apr 2013 #6
So, it's a slow death instead of a quick one. Got it. Dawgs Apr 2013 #7
Condescending claptrap. 99Forever Apr 2013 #8
So, Two More Alitos on the SCOTUS is all right with you Yavin4 Apr 2013 #10
Make shit up, much? 99Forever Apr 2013 #12
What "shit" am I making up? Yavin4 Apr 2013 #13
When some... 99Forever Apr 2013 #15
I don't feel regret . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #9
That's debatable. BlueStater Apr 2013 #11
Even so, Obama was able to replace him with a younger, more liberal justice Yavin4 Apr 2013 #14
I did just educate myself demwing Apr 2013 #16
And none of that makes Social Security cuts a good idea. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #17
likely not true about scotus dsc Apr 2013 #18
Even so, we don't benefit from replacing them with two Liberal, Younger Justices???? Yavin4 Apr 2013 #23
Surely, Comrade, you do not want Jones back. n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #19
And with a Democratic Congress in 2014, Obama could sign some progressive laws treestar Apr 2013 #20
and probably in a couple more wars as well. DCBob Apr 2013 #21
grandstanding lectures to nonexistent persons part #868574 cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #22
 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
1. A lot of unsubstantiated speculation there.......
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:48 AM
Apr 2013

anything to distract from Obama's biggest blunder....

wild ass guesses don't count as facts

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
4. They seem pretty accurate to me.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:03 AM
Apr 2013

Which one of the above mentioned wouldn't happen?

And if Dems fail to come to the polls and vote D.. We'll be ruled by a few more fundamentalists like Alito, Thomas and Scalia. Chew on that thought.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Wow, what a happy relief these things did not happen. We just might have some opportunity to get
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

This country on the right track. The TP bunch needs to be corralled and sent to pasture to allow sanity to rebound. We are the USA, we can do it.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
5. I feel no regret for my vote
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:05 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:52 AM - Edit history (1)

So thanks for the mini guilt trip, but no thanks!

What I do regret is my naive belief that candidate Obama would stick around after the election, or that Hope and Change weren't just calculated, rhetorical tools designed to play on my emotions.

What a disappointment that has been. Yeah, Obama is years better than McCain, and light years better than Romney. I am not arguing that with you. Obama was better than any Republican alternative, but guess what? The same could be said of ANY Democrat--especially any of the the ones not willing to sacrifice our safety nets.

I don't regret the vote, I do regret the hope.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
24. "I don't regret the vote, I do regret the hope."
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:59 PM
Apr 2013

That describes it for me. We have extraordinary problems that require equally extraordinary solutions. Just getting by isn't an option anymore. It's like when you have a house that you haven't cared for since you bought it 30 years ago. You have a leaky roof that you've patched over and over again, and then a storm comes along. It's time to replace the roof.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. Being disappointed in Obama does not equate to prefering that McCain or Romney would have won
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

Apples and oranges

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. When some...
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

... jerk starts telling me what I think, that's making shit up. That's a fact, not a fucking opinion. Deal with it.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
9. I don't feel regret . . .
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:13 AM
Apr 2013

. . . I just think things can be better than "Thank God George Dubya On Steroids isn't running things".

I think we need to do better than "no economic option". 94% of the politicians we elect are laissez-fail Milton Friedman addicts. The near pure Capitalism we have is killing us, and nothing meaningful is being done to stop it. We're always picking up the tab when Capitalism crashes, yet any notion of throwing Joe and Jane Cubeslave a crumb speck of a lifeline illicits "Lazy Freeloader Dependent" talk from our Congress. Service jobs aren't going to save us. Entrepreneurship is a crapshoot that very rarely pans out to long-term sustainability and really can only thrive if you have Universal Health Care, which we do not. Underemployment is becoming epidemic. We're on track to have the best educated shelf-stockers and custodians. If education were the problem, then why are people with Bachelors and Masters degrees getting laid off of well-paying jobs?

We also seriously need to kick our addiction to militarism. Is this beast REALLY too giant to contain? Are we REALLY in need of a constant intervention SOMEwhere in the world? In America's 237 years, haven't we been at war or attacking somebody for around 206 of them? This is costing us billions upon billions, about as much as corporate corruption is costing us.

If we can't expect anyone who campaigns on the premise of making things better to save us, then why is it realistic to expect us to save ourselves? I really wish I knew how.

Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
14. Even so, Obama was able to replace him with a younger, more liberal justice
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:45 AM
Apr 2013

Even so, Stevens was 90 years old. In the end, by electing Obama, we got two younger, more liberal justices on the SCOTUS without risking one of them dying while John McCain was president.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
16. I did just educate myself
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:57 AM
Apr 2013

I learned what condescending bullshit smells like when served up with an argument made of straw.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
18. likely not true about scotus
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:00 PM
Apr 2013

justices tend to time their retirements and both souter and stevens are still alive.

Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
23. Even so, we don't benefit from replacing them with two Liberal, Younger Justices????
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

Really? You don't see a benefit there?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. And with a Democratic Congress in 2014, Obama could sign some progressive laws
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:07 PM
Apr 2013

At least more so than the gridlock we have now.

It's like they rather wait until 2016. Then whoever is President then could still have a republican congress and end up in the same boat.

They put too much onto the Presidency.

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