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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:41 AM Apr 2013

Hire the Undervalued Neurotic, You’ll be Happy You Did

News flash! Neurotics are conscientious team members and should be appreciated and used more effectively in organizations. Or so say Corinne Bendersky, an associate professor at UCLA’s Anderson School of Management and Neha Parikh Shah, an assistant professor at Rutgers Business School, in The Downfall of Extraverts and the Rise of Neurotics: The Dynamic Process of Status Allocation in Task Groups.

The study uses a different polarity than one might expect. It looks not as introverts versus extroverts but “neurotics” versus extroverts. For instance, “Implicit theories of leadership tend to associate positive status value with assertiveness and negative status value to anxiety, which is a facet of neuroticism” Frankly, I don’t see this being anywhere near as tidy a distinction as Bendersky and Shan. McKinsey made a point of hiring people who were anxious but client-presentable, which meant they had to be extraverted or at least able to fake it credibly.

Nevertheless, the paper makes some interesting observations when you do have people who fit neatly into those categories. The extroverts are preferred, both by employers (look at how candidates for many jobs are virtually required to stress how they are upbeat, can do, team oriented, etc.) and in their initial assessment by team members. In a write-up of the article, Susan Adams at Forbes reminds us of widely-held beliefs:

Most leaders are attracted to the guy or woman who seems confident and outgoing, unafraid in any situation or facing any challenge. They expect an extrovert to infuse any team with energy, to push ahead on projects and to motivate colleagues to do their best work. Meantime they have low expectations of anyone who appears neurotic, who seems withdrawn and too anxious to live up to their potential. Leaders expect neurotic employees to contribute little and to drag down colleagues’ morale.

The requirement to be chipper and upbeat is so fetishized that accusing someone of “negativity” is a cheap but usually effective way to shut them up. In keeping, when teams of MBAs were formed in one of the experiments conducted in the study, the extroverted folk were initially given high ranking by their peers and the quieter, nebishy types, low ones.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/04/hire-the-undervalued-neurotic-youll-be-happy-you-did.html

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Hire the Undervalued Neurotic, You’ll be Happy You Did (Original Post) KoKo Apr 2013 OP
Interesting article, indeed. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #1
This. And also a lot of other dogmas of the "soft skills" and "positive thinking" fads are BS. redgreenandblue Apr 2013 #2
I disagree Nikia Apr 2013 #5
Ironic.... redgreenandblue Apr 2013 #9
I agree Nikia Apr 2013 #3
Huge K&R. Schmoozers are losers that create more work for everyone else and get away with it Zorra Apr 2013 #4
And education today is way overemphasizing group work. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #7
The silver lining! Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #6
Looks interesting. Will read later. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #8
It's Wonky...but, I thought interesting.... KoKo Apr 2013 #10
I think it's bang on. Extroversion is way over-valued and as the article snagglepuss Apr 2013 #11
Well, please write a book about this because it seems that extraversion is viewed as being GOOD raccoon Apr 2013 #12
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
1. Interesting article, indeed.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:06 AM
Apr 2013

I've found the below to be very true.

And it isn’t that the expectations of the extroverts were unduly high. As the authors out, previous studies have found that some of the habits of extroverts are detrimental to teamwork:

Research on the “dark sides” of extraverted behaviors finds that with experience working together, peers interpret extraverts as poor listeners who are unreceptive to input from others. For example. Grant et. al. (2011) determined that when subordinates are pro-active (e.g., they voice constructive ideas, take charge to improve work methods and exercise upward influence), groups with more extraverted leaders are less effective due to heightened competition and conflict.



Also I am fairly sure that a few of the "extroverts" that I have worked with over the years have show signs of Clinical Narcissism. They may be extroverts, but they are covering for something else, and it is not always pleasant. In fact I have worked with 3-4 at the same workplace once. Interesting dynamic to say the least.


redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
2. This. And also a lot of other dogmas of the "soft skills" and "positive thinking" fads are BS.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:38 AM
Apr 2013

-Brainstorming sessions are BS and a waste of time.
-Team meetings are usually a waste of time for most participants.
-The most effective teams consist of people who don't get along with each other on a personal level.
-Team productivity is for the most part the sum of individual productivity. Throwing people of different fields together rarely yields anything sensible.
-You make the smartest decisions when you are in a shitty mood.
.....

We are training a whole generation to be "it is ok to be wrong as long as you are confident and positive" blowhards who are good at PowerPoint karaoke but have little in-depth knowledge.

Nikia

(11,411 posts)
5. I disagree
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:44 AM
Apr 2013

As a supervisor, I need to set aside time to talk to my team as a whole. Anytime I have talked to them individually about serious issues that affect our department, there's someone who feels that they were left out of the loop or weren't told the exact same thing as someone else. This is true even when I send out an email because they all ask their individual questions. They also tend to talk amongst themselves about changes they don't like so I'd rather that they bring up their concerns in a group setting.
I can't be omnipotent so sometimes I appreciate their questions and concerns before implementing some decisions. While underperforming best friends tend to reinforce each other so do high performing best friends and when it happens, truly amazing things can happen. At the very least, I strive for mutual respect amongst members of my department. When you have members of your department that dislike each other and are trying to undermine each other, productivity really suffers. Yes sometimes it is better if everyone just takes responsibility for their own tasks. For various reasons, though, sometimes one person gets overloaded due to unforeseeable complications and it really help if another team member and can step in to help. It is helpful if people from different areas in a workplace talk when an action would affect both/all sides.
I make the best decisions when I'm not feeling particuliarly emotional. When I'm overconfident, I'm more careless. When I'm underconfident, I'm too conservative. When I'm feeling negative about an employee, I'm judging them too harshly. When I'm feeling positive about an employee, I'm overlooking their mistakes or bad behavior. What I decide about the disposition of a product should have nothing to do with my feelings.
I'll agree with you about your last point. I hate people who are overconfident when they are wrong. It really disappoints me.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
9. Ironic....
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:57 PM
Apr 2013

Consider how confidently I posted my points Yeah, maybe I was shooting from the hip there.

I can really speak only from my personal experience when it comes to large meetings. I hate them, because I always feel like they are keeping me from getting work done. Then again, I would probably fall into the "specialist" category. I would always avoid a position in top management if I had a choice, because I would feel like I am far removed from where the action is happening.

I think my perspective on teamwork is not that it is bad but that the current trend is to over-emphasize it. I was sent to do soft skills courses once and there we had to do everything in teams. In the end we usually did the best when we figured out how a task could be "parallelized", assigning each person the task that they are best at. I read somewhere that teams are best at doing tasks that resemble solving a cross-work puzzle whereas individuals are best at solving tasks that resemble designing a cross-word puzzle. My point being: Some tasks cannot be broken into small pieces and people trying to do them together will always be in each others way. Best thing to do is just assign the task to the individual who has the most of that particular skill. From the seminar it would seem like, no, a team it should always be. And always start with a brainstorming session where people are allowed to throw out crazy ideas, how task unrelated they may be. I thought that this was not a sound strategy.

Now with regards to decisions being best made when the mood is worst, I think there was a study on that. Coincidentally I read about that on cracked.com, which sometimes is not a perfect source but sometimes they have good stuff on there. Basically there was some test done which measured problem-solving skills in individuals and the ones who reported being in a bad mood did better. Maybe there is some causation-correlation mixup involved too, I have no clue.


Nikia

(11,411 posts)
3. I agree
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:43 AM
Apr 2013

Of course I have suffered from anxiety and always been introverted so I would say that. I think that the HR career field attracts mainly extraverts so they tend to want to hire people like themselves. The interview process tends to favor people who can be more comfortable talking to strangers under stressful circumstances, even in jobs where most interactions would be with members of a consistent small group. I don't know what the alternative would be, but as this article suggests, they screen out many excellent candidates.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
4. Huge K&R. Schmoozers are losers that create more work for everyone else and get away with it
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

because they bullshit, kiss ass, and know how to get people to like them.

In my experience, charismatic people do make wonderful, effective frontpersons for bands, but they generally suck in any area of employment in non-profit corporations, except for soliciting donations.

I'll hire the morose conscientious neurotic over the smooth talking likeable but incompetent extrovert any day.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,817 posts)
7. And education today is way overemphasizing group work.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

The schmoozers and 'sidlers' (Seinfeld reference) get to start early.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
11. I think it's bang on. Extroversion is way over-valued and as the article
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:54 PM
Apr 2013

points out extroverted leaders can actually be a negative. I have seen that myself.

I'm been reading the comments at the link, very insightful, for instance -



Well I am not sure the word neurotic is right for introverts and could in some ways apply to extroverts. I guess the problem for me is that I may have a slightly different concept of what an extrovert and introvert are.

My view of an introvert is that they are people who derive their confidence and self belief from within themselves. They are people who need down time for self reflection, have built up significant abilities for analysis, are good at solving problems, are good at listening and giving advice. They are also difficult to shift in their opinions, collapse inwardly when their self belief becomes too damaged, seem negative because they are anticipating problems and hurdles. You find them in IT, finance, Engineering, science and make up the core of people making plans happen in any business. Often they are under valued because they don’t see the need to sell their achievements and given the right circumstances can be quite outgoing because what other people think is not of prime concern.

My view of an extrovert is that they are people who derive their confidence and self belief from their friends and colleagues. They are people who need to catch up and communicate with friends, have built communication techniques to encourage and build confidence in others, are good at selling both themselves and others,and are usually very positive. They will also tend to surround themselves with sycophants, gloss over issues and problems leaving them to fester, self destruct when many have a negative view of them, hear the positive about themselves without listening to others issues. You will find them in top management, sales and marketing, the arts, politics and retail. Often they are so good at selling themselves that they might be over valued.

Nobody in my view is one or the other but sits somewhere along a sliding scale. The world needs both and quite often one without the other will not achieve anything. I do agree with Yves though that we are currently in a cycle where extrovert/salesperson is valued above the introvert/craftspersons. Perhaps it is just a normal correction due to women taking a greater part in some areas of society, since its seems to me that women have a tendency towards extrovert-ism and men toward introvert-ism. Gut instinct tells that is wrong though and it has more to do with short termism and money. I always have to wince though when extremes of both come together. You probably guessed by now that I fall into the introvert group, but I have at least made an attempt at seeing the other side of the coin.

Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/04/hire-the-undervalued-neurotic-youll-be-happy-you-did.html#uPIByA2pSlx6zdIX.99

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
12. Well, please write a book about this because it seems that extraversion is viewed as being GOOD
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 02:58 PM
Apr 2013

and introversaion is viewed as being NOT GOOD, in these times.

I don't agree with that assessment but that's the way it is viewed, as a society.



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