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One child is holding something that's been banned in America to protect them. (Original Post) Earth_First Apr 2013 OP
+++ 1,000,000 +++ RKP5637 Apr 2013 #1
Little Red Riding Hood has been banned? Cleita Apr 2013 #2
In this particular version, Red is bringing her grandma a bottle of wine. baldguy Apr 2013 #6
In the original she brings granny a bottle of wine. enlightenment Apr 2013 #26
Get a book and read the original Grimm's sarisataka Apr 2013 #33
I did. enlightenment Apr 2013 #34
Maybe that's what is wrong with my kids sarisataka Apr 2013 #50
Well, I don't recall reading the original Grimm tales to my kid, enlightenment Apr 2013 #53
Check out "The Grimmest of Grimm" Kablooie Apr 2013 #39
Sounds like an excellent read sarisataka Apr 2013 #51
I bought this edition for myself! bluemarkers Apr 2013 #41
In two California school districts, yes... Earth_First Apr 2013 #7
How absurd! eom Cleita Apr 2013 #31
Had it been a CALIFORNIA WINE.. AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #47
LOL! Cleita Apr 2013 #57
And the other is holding something that is wildly celebrated as protection. randome Apr 2013 #3
I assume... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #4
Truly a picture that's worth a thousand words. n/t Laurian Apr 2013 #5
OMG! It's was banned because an illustration in the book showed a bottle of wine. Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #8
re:One child is holding something that's been banned in America to protect them. allan01 Apr 2013 #9
Worth pointing out that the title is actually a lie, and neither child is holding something banned. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #10
Well, if you want it to be more accurate.... alcina Apr 2013 #12
Yes, I do - I think dishonesty is counterproductive. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #60
But sometimes the spirit is more important than the letter, so to speak... nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #61
The spirit of a lie is a lie. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #62
I think the only real "point" is that we aren't doing enough to protect kids from gun violence. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #64
This is an "ends justifies the means" argument. Which is never good. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #63
the heaven05 Apr 2013 #11
nah. doesnt work. the child would be allowed to walk the book into school and not the gun. seabeyond Apr 2013 #13
It looks like a library, not a school. alfredo Apr 2013 #15
ok. the child could walk the book into the library, and not a gun. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #16
It's not the setting of the image, it is the truth told. The right is more concerned over alfredo Apr 2013 #18
i am anti gun. and all over pro book. especially kids with books. but, the poster was not truthful seabeyond Apr 2013 #21
What is more a danger to children, a book or a gun? alfredo Apr 2013 #22
did you really ask me that question after i just made my statement. again.... seabeyond Apr 2013 #23
You may be over thinking it. Most people spend less than a second looking at alfredo Apr 2013 #35
What of the people who spend more than a second thinking about what they see? sl8 Apr 2013 #65
It's not aimed at gun fetishes. alfredo Apr 2013 #71
Except that there's no "truth" here. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #67
Little Red Riding Hood is on the banned book list. I looked it up. alfredo Apr 2013 #70
And the entire STATE of California has banned the weapon on the right. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #73
knr alfredo Apr 2013 #14
The anti-gun folk just can't play the lie/distort/hyperbole game as well as the NRA aikoaiko Apr 2013 #17
In some regions the Christian right has forced schools and libraries to ban certain books. alfredo Apr 2013 #36
Yes and in some anti-gun state that rifle configured so is banned aikoaiko Apr 2013 #38
The truth is, the book is banned, the gun isn't. The book entertains kids, alfredo Apr 2013 #40
Are you really unaware that adults cannot buy that rifle new in some states? aikoaiko Apr 2013 #44
It's available used? If it is so crappy, why has there been a long discussion about it? alfredo Apr 2013 #45
Well if that's the goal it worked. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #46
Again false dichotomy. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #75
Book is banned in 2 districts in CA, rifle is banned in the entire state. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #74
And The Politically Correct Left has had books banned or removed from classrooms too. bvar22 Apr 2013 #55
Wait, that was us? OriginalGeek Apr 2013 #80
I don't think photoshopping a gun into a child's hands is abuse... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #59
Talk about ineffective. caseymoz Apr 2013 #19
same here. Euphoria Apr 2013 #56
More places ban such guns... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #20
I think that too many of you SCVDem Apr 2013 #24
Actually...no, onpatrol98 Apr 2013 #28
Hey, at least they didn't post a re-enactment of Lanza blasting away at little kids. Hoyt Apr 2013 #30
It may not be banned universally, but it is in some locations. alfredo Apr 2013 #37
And the rifle is banned in California. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #76
Do you apply the same critical eye to the NRA propaganda? alfredo Apr 2013 #83
I do so with ANY propaganda. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #86
Good. alfredo Apr 2013 #87
If dishonesty is the solution... cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #25
The infographic is entirely dishonest, but it was intended in the other direction. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #77
Why isn't thre truth good enough? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #27
I do not care for this ad at all. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #29
jesus played with wine in the bible yet bibles are not banned nt msongs Apr 2013 #32
Point well taken IrishAyes Apr 2013 #69
I get the point. Rex Apr 2013 #42
I can understand how the book adieu Apr 2013 #43
glad that moms demand action abelenkpe Apr 2013 #48
Yeah, honesty and integrity. Who needs it, right? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #78
P O gun nut abelenkpe Apr 2013 #81
The truth is hard... I know. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #82
P O truth nut! Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #85
god, we are sick. No, WE aren't sick... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #49
K&R defacto7 Apr 2013 #52
Why was she riding in the hood anyway. She should carry a gun if she's gonna do that. L0oniX Apr 2013 #54
Wow! Thank you for this important post. That is terrifying Number23 Apr 2013 #58
And what Feinstein's bill bans... krispos42 Apr 2013 #66
Even worse, Little Red Riding Hood's granny is holding something that will send her to prison. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #68
Book banning. A Republican tactic as old as time immemorable. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #72
Not actually happening here, though. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #84
This could be why our educational system is failing. Mr.Pain Apr 2013 #79

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
26. In the original she brings granny a bottle of wine.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:47 PM
Apr 2013

I checked (curious). Apparently it was sanitized early on . . .

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
34. I did.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:44 PM
Apr 2013

Children were a lot more resilient then - if they heard those stories now, they'd need to be in therapy.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
53. Well, I don't recall reading the original Grimm tales to my kid,
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:40 PM
Apr 2013

but we did work our way through Shakespeare . . . and he survived Titus Andronicus, so I imagine the original stories wouldn't have bothered him too much.

I have to admit that I still occasionally have nightmares about "The Red Shoes". H.C. Anderson was damned bloody, too!

Kablooie

(18,571 posts)
39. Check out "The Grimmest of Grimm"
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:21 PM
Apr 2013
http://www.amazon.com/Grimmest-Grimm-Jacob/dp/0973709006

Cannibalism, child abuse, dismemberment, slaughter of innocents, the walking dead & deals with the devil.
Fun for one and all!

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
47. Had it been a CALIFORNIA WINE..
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:09 PM
Apr 2013

All would have been forgiven, and the California Wine boards would be pushing PSA's to read the book, trust me on this one!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. And the other is holding something that is wildly celebrated as protection.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:57 AM
Apr 2013

When it often does the exact opposite.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
9. re:One child is holding something that's been banned in America to protect them.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:08 AM
Apr 2013

a banned book enlighens the world . robeling shame this is done

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
10. Worth pointing out that the title is actually a lie, and neither child is holding something banned.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:10 AM
Apr 2013

One child is holding something that's been removed from a recommended reading list for silly reasons.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
62. The spirit of a lie is a lie.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:55 PM
Apr 2013

Yes, "it's correct in all but details" is sometimes a fair defence.

No, the OP is dishonest in spirit as well as in letter.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
64. I think the only real "point" is that we aren't doing enough to protect kids from gun violence.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:59 PM
Apr 2013

And while I don't think our gun laws should necessarily be as strict as say, the U.K.'s - you're British, correct? - I think they're closer to the right idea than we (Americans) are.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. the
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:22 AM
Apr 2013

right wing politics/behavior in this country is downright SICK!!!!!! To think that the hypocrites would be able to ban a book because of a bottle of wine being shown/mentioned appalls me. Yet the AR-15 auto is the right thing to do. Amazing how SICK this country is and how down the toilet it's politics are. SICK! SICK!! SICK!!!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. nah. doesnt work. the child would be allowed to walk the book into school and not the gun.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

this one doesnt work.

the book was not banned across the u.s. and that would have to be books for this to work, not that particular book. it is not banned anywhere, just not a readers list.

and while that gun hasnt been banned, it is not allowed in any school or without proper papers, a child would not be holding it in public anywhere.

so, nah....

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
18. It's not the setting of the image, it is the truth told. The right is more concerned over
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:01 AM
Apr 2013

our access to certain books than access to guns.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. i am anti gun. and all over pro book. especially kids with books. but, the poster was not truthful
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:09 AM
Apr 2013

hence me making the initial post. i get what it is saying. but, personally feel it is a fail, in the untruthful category.

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
22. What is more a danger to children, a book or a gun?
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

The right wants to protect our kids from ideas, but do little to protect them from gun violence.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. did you really ask me that question after i just made my statement. again....
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:25 AM
Apr 2013

that is not my issue.

my issue was the dishonesty of the graph. message.

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
35. You may be over thinking it. Most people spend less than a second looking at
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:01 PM
Apr 2013

advertisements, and this is an advertisement for gun legislation. They see the kids, book, gun, and text. That's it. The background only supports the innocence of youth.

sl8

(13,584 posts)
65. What of the people who spend more than a second thinking about what they see?
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:15 PM
Apr 2013

Can their views afford to be ignored? Is the demographic of those who don't think for more than a second that large?

Llewlladdwr

(2,165 posts)
67. Except that there's no "truth" here.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 08:57 PM
Apr 2013

The truth is that neither the gun nor the book shown in the OP have been "banned". Claiming that the book has is simply false. I realized that just from reading the linked article. Makes me wonder what else the gun controllers are lying about.

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
70. Little Red Riding Hood is on the banned book list. I looked it up.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 12:01 AM
Apr 2013

Two districts in California have banned it.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
73. And the entire STATE of California has banned the weapon on the right.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:20 AM
Apr 2013

Detachable mag assault weapon, no-go. Only weapons registered before the cut-off period can be possessed in that state.

OP is a false fucking dichotomy.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
17. The anti-gun folk just can't play the lie/distort/hyperbole game as well as the NRA
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:54 AM
Apr 2013

The book can be possessed by children without supervision legally and the rifle cannot.

Neither is banned in America per se.

No wonder new gun control legislation is failing so badly.

And, of course, if this had been pro-gun propaganda someone would be calling it child abuse to let that child handle the rifle.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
38. Yes and in some anti-gun state that rifle configured so is banned
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:16 PM
Apr 2013

Like the NRAs rhetoric, there is often a kernel of truth in the propaganda.

It is what it is.

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
40. The truth is, the book is banned, the gun isn't. The book entertains kids,
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:30 PM
Apr 2013

the gun kills kids. Why are we defending a child from a book, but not a gun?


Gun users defend their guns like junkies defends their drug.


aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
44. Are you really unaware that adults cannot buy that rifle new in some states?
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:44 PM
Apr 2013

The books are not banned from anyone's personal possession

It's a crappy rhetorical image.

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
45. It's available used? If it is so crappy, why has there been a long discussion about it?
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

Because of the discussion it has sparked, I think it is quite successful.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
46. Well if that's the goal it worked.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:54 PM
Apr 2013

I thought the goal was to reduce gun violence? Who knew it was designed so badly to create dialog on DU?



AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
75. Again false dichotomy.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:23 AM
Apr 2013

Book has been removed from reading curriculum, not banned for sale, and none have been rounded up and confiscated and burned.

New, that rifle is unavailable in that state. What do you want to do, round up the existing rifles and destroy them? Perhaps a bonfire of some sort. That would be lovely wouldn't it?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
55. And The Politically Correct Left has had books banned or removed from classrooms too.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:22 PM
Apr 2013

Tom Sawyer
Huck Finn
Song of the South

and many others.

Euphoria

(448 posts)
56. same here.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:25 PM
Apr 2013

Until I saw the originator of the ad, I thought it was indicating support FOR guns to protect children.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
24. I think that too many of you
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:17 PM
Apr 2013

are really overthinking this.

It's a 15 second impact piece meant to make you think on the idea and the dichotomy.

It does accomplish that. Many of our laws are insane.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
28. Actually...no,
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:53 PM
Apr 2013

It works if you think about it only 15 seconds...my mind immediately went to thinking, wait...that book isn't banned. And then, that's not the truth AND what idiot pro gun control advocate with give the other child a gun to hold to make a point about guns are bad for children? Not to mention...when did we start advocating using children as props? I'm thinking FAIL on may levels.

Instead of trying to make people afraid of losing 2nd amendment rights feel stupid, why aren't we passionate enough about this issues to simply talk to people as equals. The problem is a superiority complex on both sides of this argument...now, complicated by a lack of trust.

We can't have a honest conversation with people who don't want gun control, because they don't trust us. And, they don't trust us because we come into this issue with a holier than thou attitude that could put any religious wingnut to shame.

It feels good and smug to be right. But, it's a sucky way to get the protection our children and schools need. We need to get off our high horses and have real conversations that discuss background checks, mental health issues (especiall funding), our violent society and a host of issues. We'll never be able to make our children safer if we insist in this self gratifying urge to feel superior and prove we're intellectually superior than people who often simply disagree.

I would have been more impressed if the creator of the poster had posted a video with them sitting down with some who disagreed with them and discussed and listened to their concerns while expressing their own. Instead of trying to create some visual smack down while using a child to make a point.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. Hey, at least they didn't post a re-enactment of Lanza blasting away at little kids.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:10 PM
Apr 2013

With Wayne LaPierre in the background smiling, and a bunch of gun cultists clinging to their assault weapons. Or, Christmas cards from the gun cultists standing in the way of much needed gun legislation:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1QtKkJ6z6lvROXG3MlllTqc1hBDfNjY8sQoDJRqGG2RaoDv_E

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR05x6QrF1totbgIptkyQHGcV-3HFaXQuSaFa1UH0DhsanbJuYD

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
76. And the rifle is banned in California.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:24 AM
Apr 2013

So um. Not sure what your point was.

(The entire piece is dead wrong no matter how you look at it)

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
25. If dishonesty is the solution...
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:38 PM
Apr 2013

I ask for the Nth time, why are these infographics about guns usually bullshit?

How can a serious and legitimate problem (gun violence) prove so resistant to honest commentary?

I am not a gun person. I am, however, a truth and fairness person and it is F'ing obvious to me that there is no school district that requires children to carry an assault rifle, or makes such weapons available for the kids to check out from the school library.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
77. The infographic is entirely dishonest, but it was intended in the other direction.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 01:27 AM
Apr 2013

There are two school districts in California that have removed that book from their reading lists. (Not 'banned'.)

The implication of the graphic was that the book is banned, yet the gun is not.

Problem is, the book is not 'banned' and the gun, in California, IS banned statewide for sale. Those in lawful circulation are registered with the state. Rifles not registered carry criminal penalties if caught, the weapon is then destroyed, and no new rifles of that type can be sold in that state.

So, you took it the wrong way, perhaps, but even the correct way, the info graphic is a lie.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
27. Why isn't thre truth good enough?
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013
"An award-winning adaptation of the classic Grimm's fairy tale has been pulled from the recommended reading list because the heroine has wine in the basket she brings her grandmother."

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900519&slug=1072598

Let me help you with the title:
One child is holding a book pulled from a recommended reading list.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
29. I do not care for this ad at all.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013

Got to say, posing a young kid with such a weapon is a choice to be carefully made no matter what the 'reason' for doing so might be. I think this ad is not honest nor clear enough to excuse that exploitation. The book has not been banned in America, the gun is not legal in all of America. It is always illegal to arm a child for their protection even in gun happy states. The book is not illegal anywhere, not banned by any legal authority in fact it is an award winner. In America. If a book 'banned' by a couple of schools has been 'banned in America' then a gun which is illegal to carry in many cities, in all schools has in fact been more 'banned in America' than the book.
Ads which seem to promote literacy should be literate.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
69. Point well taken
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 09:28 PM
Apr 2013

However, Jesus did not 'play' with wine in the Bible; he blessed it and drank it. In fact his enemies called him a 'winebibber', in modern terms a wino. This is not to say he really went around drunk, but everybody drank wine in those days and his enemies just accused him of over indulgence.

The fundies get around this by claiming the wine was only to cleanse the bad water and that the blessing to drink wine was removed as soon as modern society gained cleaner water. They also claim the fact that he blessed it was purely symbolic. Of course this flies in the face of their required literalism, but if you point that out, they start screaming at you and accuse you of attacking God rather than their own hypocrisy, which they claim to be non-existent. (You know they love to condemn us Irish-American Catholics to hell for drinking wine and a lot of other imaginary reasons.)

What I'm saying is that altogether I can't think of anyone less qualified to pass judgment on wine or even pictures of it than a bunch of crazy fundies who totally misrepresent the religion they claim to own.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
43. I can understand how the book
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:43 PM
Apr 2013

Might be banned. But does the book protect America or even the little girl?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
49. god, we are sick. No, WE aren't sick...
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:29 PM
Apr 2013
We (here) are the ones who see the sickness.





fucking CONservatives, teatalibans, rw, pukes, christofascists....

Number23

(24,544 posts)
58. Wow! Thank you for this important post. That is terrifying
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:03 PM
Apr 2013

And thanks for the posting about this group, which I'd never heard of. The news this morning showed the speech that the Newtown mom gave during the President's weekly address. She was absolutely magnificent.

This is such an important issue. The world really is watching and wondering how Americans will handle this.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
66. And what Feinstein's bill bans...
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:56 PM
Apr 2013

..is the pistol grip and adjustable buttstock on the rifle.

Yay progress! Remember this when she asks for you money, time, and vote.

Mr.Pain

(52 posts)
79. This could be why our educational system is failing.
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 02:20 AM
Apr 2013

We should never protect our kids from reality, we should be educating them about reality.
Is literary censorship a good thing?
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Am I the only one who sees the complete absurdity in putting something,(anything), in a child's hands the we deem dangerous?


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