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"I was persecuted by my college for saying the word 'fuck' in conversation with another student after class."
In 2010, Isaac Rosenbloom was a student at Hinds Community College in Mississippi. He was disappointed to receive a grade of "74" on an exam, and after class ended he walked outside and complained to a fellow student, "This grade is going to fuck up my entire GPA."
After overhearing the comment, Rosenbloom's professor, Barbara Pyle, berated him for cursing and threatened to send him to detention. Says Rosenbloom, "I countered with, 'I'm 30 years old. This is college. There is no detention.'"
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hobbit709
(41,694 posts)did he say it to the teacher? NO! did he say it about the teacher? NO!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)There's a lot of this going around, and it is not at all uncommon in community colleges that have zero standards in their hires.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)That's beyond ridiculous.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)around. Ugh, these types really can make things suck. They were never taught to mind their own business apparently.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)..who swore like sailors out of class and let slip with a few colorful non-mathematical terms at the blackboard, as well.
this lady, and the college, just need to pull the stick out of their asses. talk about uptight.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)saying F this and that, but what this prof./school did is outrageous. It's the authoritarians. Send him to detention, well FUCK her.
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)I never said "Fuck you" to a student, I never called a student a "c--t".
Nobody gave a fuck.
This was in Australia.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)know what it was with the chalk, the more complicated the more the chalk broke ... LOL. I did have a few arrogant profs. where I could have said F you. LOL
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)and then I said "fuck."
Hm.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)knew it was probably sulfur dioxide or similar ... but in cal class? LOL
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)RKP5637
(67,104 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Does he have the right to use any language he wants? Of course - but when he found himself embroiled in what was essentially a power-struggle with an instructor who apparently needs to retire, he could have saved himself a lot of grief by simply asking her pardon instead of stating what was the truth, but was also a challenge to someone who felt they could control him outside the classroom.
Sometimes, just saying "I apologize for offending you" can save someone a whole lot of trouble. It costs nothing - whereas in this case his decision to stand his ground almost cost him his career.
Was the instructor out of line? Hell yes. I can't imagine saying something like that to a student outside my classroom; in my classroom I will say "unnecessary!" (usually all that's needed to remind them to regulate their language). They are adults and so am I - and my criticizing them would be the pot calling the kettle black in any case.
I agree with the student - but I do believe he could have derailed the problem by taking the high road, since she was being a twit. In the long run, he wouldn't have been compromising his principles, just applying a little common sense to a charged situation.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)said oops if I suspected someone was/might be offended and moved along.
Viking12
(6,012 posts)Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)Mississippi as ignorant and backwards but there's nothing new in the story.
However, Mr Rosenbloom did graduate and became a paramedic in 2011.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)look back and say F this sh**!
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)RKP5637
(67,104 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Word police are everywhere. Be careful what you think. The thought police are next.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Seriously.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)I taught as a college adjunct for many years, and I knew quite a few other teachers, including one-class-per-semester adjuncts and fully tenured professors, who took a zero tolerance position toward defiance. Do it, and you're done. My own policy wasn't that bad, but it was still considered pretty harsh by a lot of students: You can disagree with me all you want, but the first time you raise your voice and start yelling, or that you curse at me, you're dropped from the class without warning. All of my students were advised of this during the introduction on the first day. Students could disagree with me, but they were expected to behave like rational adults while doing so. I probably tossed dozens of students from my classes over the years (though I later allowed most of them back if they came back and apologized).
Nearly every college and university in the country has policies in place allowing instructors to drop students who are disruptive to the classroom environment, and decisions like this rarely get reversed. If someone can't have a disagreement without yelling and cursing, we are under no obligation to accommodate them.
Sadiedog
(353 posts)in this case it seems that he was not being directly defiant to his instructor. It was a comment that was overheard. If a student is disruptive well then I would understand but merely commenting to someone else about disappointment in a grade, well I think that is over the top.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)...but the follow up comment about it being college and there not being any detention that pissed her off. As I said, I've known a lot of instructors with zero tolerance policies toward defiance. If she was one of those, I can see (but not agree with) how his comeback could have been interpreted as defiance directed toward her. I've never been that harsh toward my students (I probably would have laughed and said that the student was right), but I've known many who were.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Someone might overhear something that offends them. What if you make a joke about something - it could harm another person and freak them out.
Now some of us are not offended enough, so we need more training in the 'how to take offense at things' area.
You can never be too offended but you can be too little of it.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)wtf.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)My sister is a fundie and would be, she does not get how I can use them because somehow god is offended by them (even though none of our english ones I am aware of were in the bible....)