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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:29 AM Apr 2013

Student says f-word outside of class, college nearly ruins his career

A 30-year-old college student, husband and father of two, studying to be a paramedic says 'fuck' outside of class, and his professor gets offended. She threatens him with detention (he's 30!), the administration boots him from the class and nearly ruins his career.

"I was persecuted by my college for saying the word 'fuck' in conversation with another student after class."

In 2010, Isaac Rosenbloom was a student at Hinds Community College in Mississippi. He was disappointed to receive a grade of "74" on an exam, and after class ended he walked outside and complained to a fellow student, "This grade is going to fuck up my entire GPA."

After overhearing the comment, Rosenbloom's professor, Barbara Pyle, berated him for cursing and threatened to send him to detention. Says Rosenbloom, "I countered with, 'I'm 30 years old. This is college. There is no detention.'"

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Student says f-word outside of class, college nearly ruins his career (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2013 OP
What a crock of shit. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #1
It wasn't the word that offended her, it was the perceived criticism of the grade she gave. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #2
Good grief! HappyMe Apr 2013 #3
a good example when you have word police types running quinnox Apr 2013 #4
i had not one but two 400-level maths professors.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #5
Same here. I went to a major university, and fuck was common. No, one did not stand in class RKP5637 Apr 2013 #9
I used to say "fuck" when I broke a stick of chalk while writing on the board. SwissTony Apr 2013 #18
I used to break chalk all the time, especially in advanced calculus classes. I don't RKP5637 Apr 2013 #24
I broke wind once while I taught. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #27
Sometimes I used to smell silent farts drifting from the front of the room! Now, in chem lab I RKP5637 Apr 2013 #31
LOL. Those second-order derivatives did it for me too. n/t SwissTony Apr 2013 #29
LOL Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #30
Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor. enlightenment Apr 2013 #6
Yep, sometimes a simple oops is enough. I've said fuck this when inappropriate, and I just RKP5637 Apr 2013 #10
you know this story is 3 years old, right Viking12 Apr 2013 #7
As I recall, it was much discussed here years ago when it happened...Good excuse to ridicule Rowdyboy Apr 2013 #8
Glad to hear he graduated. Now he can RKP5637 Apr 2013 #12
Three years old? No fucking way! bluedigger Apr 2013 #21
The video was just released on Thursday SecularMotion Apr 2013 #25
If he had said dongle he would have been in real trouble The Straight Story Apr 2013 #11
Yep, he would've gotten his dongle in a knot! RKP5637 Apr 2013 #14
What the fuck?????? Initech Apr 2013 #13
... RKP5637 Apr 2013 #15
this will be the norm libodem Apr 2013 #16
That's fucked up OhioChick Apr 2013 #17
It wasn't the word. It was the behavior. Xithras Apr 2013 #19
I understand what you are saying but... Sadiedog Apr 2013 #20
I would guess that it wasn't his comment about the grade... Xithras Apr 2013 #22
Second hand talking is like second hand smoke - we should ban talking in bars The Straight Story Apr 2013 #23
i teach college and i curse in my class all the time La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #26
Has anyone ever said they were offended by them? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #28
nope. although if they did I would laugh at them. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #32
I don't believe that college profs are responsible for language outside of their classroom. nt ladjf Apr 2013 #33
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
2. It wasn't the word that offended her, it was the perceived criticism of the grade she gave.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:36 AM
Apr 2013

There's a lot of this going around, and it is not at all uncommon in community colleges that have zero standards in their hires.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
4. a good example when you have word police types running
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:41 AM
Apr 2013

around. Ugh, these types really can make things suck. They were never taught to mind their own business apparently.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
5. i had not one but two 400-level maths professors..
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:41 AM
Apr 2013

..who swore like sailors out of class and let slip with a few colorful non-mathematical terms at the blackboard, as well.

this lady, and the college, just need to pull the stick out of their asses. talk about uptight.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
9. Same here. I went to a major university, and fuck was common. No, one did not stand in class
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 12:37 PM
Apr 2013

saying F this and that, but what this prof./school did is outrageous. It's the authoritarians. Send him to detention, well FUCK her.

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
18. I used to say "fuck" when I broke a stick of chalk while writing on the board.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:29 PM
Apr 2013

I never said "Fuck you" to a student, I never called a student a "c--t".

Nobody gave a fuck.

This was in Australia.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
24. I used to break chalk all the time, especially in advanced calculus classes. I don't
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:32 PM
Apr 2013

know what it was with the chalk, the more complicated the more the chalk broke ... LOL. I did have a few arrogant profs. where I could have said F you. LOL


RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
31. Sometimes I used to smell silent farts drifting from the front of the room! Now, in chem lab I
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:11 PM
Apr 2013

knew it was probably sulfur dioxide or similar ... but in cal class? LOL

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
6. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013

Does he have the right to use any language he wants? Of course - but when he found himself embroiled in what was essentially a power-struggle with an instructor who apparently needs to retire, he could have saved himself a lot of grief by simply asking her pardon instead of stating what was the truth, but was also a challenge to someone who felt they could control him outside the classroom.

Sometimes, just saying "I apologize for offending you" can save someone a whole lot of trouble. It costs nothing - whereas in this case his decision to stand his ground almost cost him his career.

Was the instructor out of line? Hell yes. I can't imagine saying something like that to a student outside my classroom; in my classroom I will say "unnecessary!" (usually all that's needed to remind them to regulate their language). They are adults and so am I - and my criticizing them would be the pot calling the kettle black in any case.

I agree with the student - but I do believe he could have derailed the problem by taking the high road, since she was being a twit. In the long run, he wouldn't have been compromising his principles, just applying a little common sense to a charged situation.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
10. Yep, sometimes a simple oops is enough. I've said fuck this when inappropriate, and I just
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

said oops if I suspected someone was/might be offended and moved along.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
8. As I recall, it was much discussed here years ago when it happened...Good excuse to ridicule
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 12:02 PM
Apr 2013

Mississippi as ignorant and backwards but there's nothing new in the story.

However, Mr Rosenbloom did graduate and became a paramedic in 2011.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
16. this will be the norm
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 12:47 PM
Apr 2013

Word police are everywhere. Be careful what you think. The thought police are next.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
19. It wasn't the word. It was the behavior.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:52 PM
Apr 2013

I taught as a college adjunct for many years, and I knew quite a few other teachers, including one-class-per-semester adjuncts and fully tenured professors, who took a zero tolerance position toward defiance. Do it, and you're done. My own policy wasn't that bad, but it was still considered pretty harsh by a lot of students: You can disagree with me all you want, but the first time you raise your voice and start yelling, or that you curse at me, you're dropped from the class without warning. All of my students were advised of this during the introduction on the first day. Students could disagree with me, but they were expected to behave like rational adults while doing so. I probably tossed dozens of students from my classes over the years (though I later allowed most of them back if they came back and apologized).

Nearly every college and university in the country has policies in place allowing instructors to drop students who are disruptive to the classroom environment, and decisions like this rarely get reversed. If someone can't have a disagreement without yelling and cursing, we are under no obligation to accommodate them.

Sadiedog

(353 posts)
20. I understand what you are saying but...
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

in this case it seems that he was not being directly defiant to his instructor. It was a comment that was overheard. If a student is disruptive well then I would understand but merely commenting to someone else about disappointment in a grade, well I think that is over the top.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
22. I would guess that it wasn't his comment about the grade...
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:19 PM
Apr 2013

...but the follow up comment about it being college and there not being any detention that pissed her off. As I said, I've known a lot of instructors with zero tolerance policies toward defiance. If she was one of those, I can see (but not agree with) how his comeback could have been interpreted as defiance directed toward her. I've never been that harsh toward my students (I probably would have laughed and said that the student was right), but I've known many who were.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
23. Second hand talking is like second hand smoke - we should ban talking in bars
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:19 PM
Apr 2013

Someone might overhear something that offends them. What if you make a joke about something - it could harm another person and freak them out.

Now some of us are not offended enough, so we need more training in the 'how to take offense at things' area.

You can never be too offended but you can be too little of it.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
28. Has anyone ever said they were offended by them?
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:50 PM
Apr 2013

My sister is a fundie and would be, she does not get how I can use them because somehow god is offended by them (even though none of our english ones I am aware of were in the bible....)

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