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MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:58 PM Apr 2013

I used to really like James Bond movies.

When I was a boy, I LOVED going to James Bond movies. When "Goldfinger", "Thunderball" and "You Only Live Twice" came out I couldn't wait to go to see them in the theater. As a young pre-teen boy I loved the fights, shooting and, of course, the girls in bikinis.

Recently, however, as I've watched some of these movies, the perspective of a young boy has evolved into that ofa near58 year old husband and father, most especially in the treatment of women.

What was considered to be simply a man taking charge in the 60s, is what I consider to be rape today. Since I'm not a republican and since I am a very pro woman feminist man, I am not pro-rape. I'll leave that to the paul ryans, todd akins and little ricky santorums of the world. I prefer to respect women as I was raised to do.

Will I watch James Bond movies in the future? Yes.
Has my view of them changed forever? Yes.

I am so glad that the whole notion of the "Mad Men" era that all a man had to do to have sex with virtually any woman was to decide to do so is (hopefully) a thin of the past? Hell yes! I remember my bastard of a father living with that mentality well into the 80s and over the course of 2 marriages! Yuck!

Do I notice attractive women in bikinis at the beach or tight jeans at the stores? Yes.

Have I ever even considered being unfaithful to my wife? HELL NO!

Thanks for letting me rant.

PEACE!

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I used to really like James Bond movies. (Original Post) MarianJack Apr 2013 OP
:) shenmue Apr 2013 #1
That was in "on Her Majesty's Aecret Service". MarianJack Apr 2013 #8
I think that attitude also had a very bad effect on many women too, something between the saintly patrice Apr 2013 #2
We used to call it... MarianJack Apr 2013 #9
I should say: I was married twice to a fine man each time. It DOES work when you're honest patrice Apr 2013 #15
I agree! MarianJack Apr 2013 #16
That's right & keeping that choice evergreen avoids the martyr or goldigger syndromes. patrice Apr 2013 #17
Right! MarianJack Apr 2013 #22
Bond was different and distinctive in the early days, now just run of the mill shoot em up stuff nt msongs Apr 2013 #3
Shoot em up... MarianJack Apr 2013 #10
Umm there were no "fancy" gadgets in the latest one. Just the opposite. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #33
I haven't seen any of the Craig films yet, but... MarianJack Apr 2013 #41
The Craig Movies are radically different. They are a masterpiece of a reboot to the series Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #67
I live in Issa's district. If I ever get to perform this song at one of his fundraisers, I'll do it! dogknob Apr 2013 #4
Old "grand theft auto Issa"? MarianJack Apr 2013 #14
I regret that I only have one rec to give this. wryter2000 Apr 2013 #5
An "R" from a woman for this thread just makes my day. MarianJack Apr 2013 #11
Ever take a second look at Happy Days? napkinz Apr 2013 #6
I also remember the Fonz... MarianJack Apr 2013 #13
Still some women chase the cool bad boy/man exboyfil Apr 2013 #28
The Fonz did have a lot of redeeming qualities napkinz Apr 2013 #69
The books are worse than the movies Johonny Apr 2013 #7
I've only read some f the John Gardiner books. MarianJack Apr 2013 #12
Not just James Bond. I also find Austin Power's attitude towards women to be unacceptable (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #18
I never watched Austin Powers,... MarianJack Apr 2013 #20
What exactly do those movies have to do with teabaggers? Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #52
Teabaggers talk without knowing about their topic. MarianJack Apr 2013 #55
Gotcha Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #56
Thanx! MarianJack Apr 2013 #59
I adore the early Connery/Craig films DerekG Apr 2013 #19
Good point, but... MarianJack Apr 2013 #21
Watch Casino Royale...now. DerekG Apr 2013 #23
I'd like to see that one! MarianJack Apr 2013 #24
I actually think Bond reflects that current culture's idea of what a man should be. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #25
Thanks for the videos. MarianJack Apr 2013 #35
Personally I think she was the Best of the M's she lends a fantastic Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #74
Thanks again. MarianJack Apr 2013 #80
The Bond movies were a product and a mirror of their time lunatica Apr 2013 #26
I hope that Rupert Everett's dream comes true. MarianJack Apr 2013 #36
He has a very classy demeanor and would bring a lot to the sexy spy genre lunatica Apr 2013 #47
He would certainly do a very good... MarianJack Apr 2013 #50
James Bond is supposed to be irresistible. The women were depicted as willing but it did Lint Head Apr 2013 #27
M has been a woman since Pierce Brosnan's films. MarianJack Apr 2013 #37
Which is probably why I think Daniel Craig is the sexiest one of all of them. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #70
Sean Connery was a gigantic misogynist Arkana Apr 2013 #29
Would you say the character is sexist? Misogynist? nt redqueen Apr 2013 #30
The character as written from the novels possibly. From the movies perhaps the earlier Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #31
Connery's Bond was. Arkana Apr 2013 #66
Yeah I saw that and went "Holy Shit" The Villian...REALLY REALLY likes Bond.. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #68
I don't think I suggested watering him down,... MarianJack Apr 2013 #38
I always thought Bond movies were sexist and stupid. Whisp Apr 2013 #32
I always liked them, but... MarianJack Apr 2013 #39
You would think that Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #73
well, that's the thing, it's escapism for men Whisp Apr 2013 #75
God you shovel it. Demographics Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #78
Still love Bond movies. zappaman Apr 2013 #34
I haven't seen any of the Daniel Craig movies yet, but... MarianJack Apr 2013 #40
It's good. zappaman Apr 2013 #42
Thanx! MarianJack Apr 2013 #43
For good reason pokerfan Apr 2013 #44
I didn't know that! zappaman Apr 2013 #48
As do I Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #54
James Bond is a sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot. Rex Apr 2013 #45
I see all of those "qualities" in the character except for... MarianJack Apr 2013 #51
I had to throw it in since it is part of the quote. Rex Apr 2013 #53
Please... MarianJack Apr 2013 #58
9to5 and Heavy Metal Rex Apr 2013 #60
Thanx! MarianJack Apr 2013 #63
Very welcome! Rex Apr 2013 #65
I always recognized the sexism of Bond movies, even as a little girl Liberal_in_LA Apr 2013 #46
As a young boy, I looked at them sort of like... MarianJack Apr 2013 #49
I dont see any one getting raped jambo101 Apr 2013 #57
In some of the early Connery films... MarianJack Apr 2013 #61
He rapes Pussy Galore in Goldfinger to "fix" her from her lesbian ways Johonny Apr 2013 #71
Where was it written that Pussy Galore was a lesbian? Arkana Apr 2013 #72
read the books Johonny Apr 2013 #77
It was also pretty clear in the movie. ManiacJoe Apr 2013 #81
Reflections of times. earthside Apr 2013 #62
I understand that they reflect the times, and... MarianJack Apr 2013 #64
Saw my first Bond flick when I was 14. Loved it. I also like the latest trilogy. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #76
I still haven't seen any of the Craig films. MarianJack Apr 2013 #79

shenmue

(38,503 posts)
1. :)
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:20 PM
Apr 2013

I like what you said. I guess it's just part of the character. He goes all over the world, so he doesn't have time for a girlfriend or wife. Except that one time where he got married, and then they killed her. Oh jeez...

Well, anyway, thanks.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
8. That was in "on Her Majesty's Aecret Service".
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:31 PM
Apr 2013

He was also married (though for only the purpose of his mission) in "You Only Live Twice".

Thank you

PEACE!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
2. I think that attitude also had a very bad effect on many women too, something between the saintly
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

(and usually quite angry) martyr to "purchasing" a meal ticket, as gold-plated as possible of course.

I think that may be ending now.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
9. We used to call it...
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:33 PM
Apr 2013

...going for the MRS degree.

I am very happy being married to a better and smarter woman than I am a person.

PEACE!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
15. I should say: I was married twice to a fine man each time. It DOES work when you're honest
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 08:56 PM
Apr 2013

and strong, but most of all, if you really do WANT it to.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
16. I agree!
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:04 PM
Apr 2013

I think that too many people don't realize that love is a CHOICE. I'm sure that both my wife and I COULD have been unfaithful more than once in the nearly 15 years that we've been married. It's not worth the pain and the distrust that results.

I also happen to be married to the most beautiful and wonderful woman on the face of the Earth (with the ladies of DU in a several thousand way tie just behind her)!

PEACE!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
17. That's right & keeping that choice evergreen avoids the martyr or goldigger syndromes.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:26 PM
Apr 2013

I really like what you are saying, because I remember early on not being able to buy into the idea that love is parceled out and packaged up in various sized allotments to this and that person, but not to that other person. It wasn't just because I was <20 years old in the '60s, when we talked about and some people experimented with "free love"; it's more that whatever the details are, love itself has to be one thing, one phenomenon.

You either know what it is or you don't, but you manifest it with each person in full measure appropriate to who that person is, not the IDEA/abstraction of the person, but who concretely the physical manifestation is and, because, one of those relationships is one in which I made a special promise that is different from my human responsibilities to others, that particular aspect of the other relationships is not like that one, though those other relationships are in all other wise unique to the specific person who chooses to share that with me.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
22. Right!
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 10:07 PM
Apr 2013

Many people think that love can be parceled out and that you can only give so much to anyone before you run out.

After nearly 15 years married and almost 16 together, I love my wife more every day...my "rotten kid", too!

PEACE!

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
33. Umm there were no "fancy" gadgets in the latest one. Just the opposite.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:47 PM
Apr 2013

All he had was a radio transmitter and a Bio-metric locked pistol, a "Smart" gun.

In the movie Skyfall, James Bond is supplied a modified Walther PPK by Q, which has a biometric palmprint scanner on the pistol grip, which reads Bond's fingerprints and only allows him to use the gun. This concept originated in Licence to Kill, where Q provides Bond a bulkier rifle (disguised as a camera) with the same technology. In both movies, the feature comes to save Bond's life as an enemy henchman attempts to use his gun on him, only to be locked out by the biometric scanner.

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
4. I live in Issa's district. If I ever get to perform this song at one of his fundraisers, I'll do it!
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 03:35 PM
Apr 2013


THUNDERBALL

He always runs while others walk;
He acts while other men just talk.
He looks at this world and wants it all
So he strikes like Thunderball

He knows the meaning of success;
His needs are more so he gives less.
They call him the winner who takes all
And he strikes like Thunderball

Any woman he wants, he'll get;
He will break any heart without regret

His days of asking are all gone;
His fight goes on, and on, and on.
But he thinks that the fight is worth it all;
So he strikes like Thunderball

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
5. I regret that I only have one rec to give this.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:05 PM
Apr 2013

I enjoyed the movies, too, although there was always something that gave me an icky feeling about them. It wasn't until the latest round of feminism came around in the 70's that I realized what was making me uncomfortable. I was never fooled by Playboy and hated it from the minute I opened my first copy. Too bad, because the fiction was excellent back then.

I'm a woman, if you couldn't tell.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
11. An "R" from a woman for this thread just makes my day.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

Thanx! Yes, the stories (and many of the cartoons, especially Gehan Wilson) were very good back then.

At the time I was in my mid to late teens, so I enjoyed other parts of the magazine, too. Not now!

PEACE!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
6. Ever take a second look at Happy Days?
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:24 PM
Apr 2013

Great show.

But watch those episodes today and you notice something similar to what you're talking about regarding Bond's treatment of women.

The Fonz ... throughout the entire series, he's always snapping his fingers and women come running to him. The idea that a man just snaps his fingers and any woman comes running like a dog to its master. And all the times Fonz tried to teach Richie how to "make it with women." In one episode, he told Richie you just have to grab a girl and kiss her. And in the parking lot of Arnold's, Richie did just that ... grabbed some girl walking out of Arnolds, and forcibly kissed her. And Fonz then gave him the thumbs up.

I still love Happy Days. And the Fonz was a great character. But you look back at how the show depicted his treatment of women and you have to feel a bit uneasy, to say the least.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
13. I also remember the Fonz...
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:43 PM
Apr 2013

...giving the guys lessons in how to remove bras.

In fairness, he also saved Joanie from some real turds in one episode that I vaguely remember.

PEACE!

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
28. Still some women chase the cool bad boy/man
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:17 PM
Apr 2013
http://rawjustice.com/2010/10/04/15-people-who-married-convicted-murderers/

I do agree with you that it was offensive as is Bond's approach to women. Of course the bad boys always did better in High School than the nerdy kids.

Neither one of my daughters would tolerate such behavior thank goodness.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
69. The Fonz did have a lot of redeeming qualities
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 05:19 PM
Apr 2013

In a couple of episodes he fought racism. (One, he stood up to those who wouldn't attend Richie's party because an African American was invited. In another episode, Fonz and Al protested at a lunch counter that wouldn't serve African-Americans.)

Fonz actually came to befriend the nerds (Richie, Potsie, and Ralph) and fought against his old gang -- the Falcons -- who were still behaving like hooligans, looking to rumble.

He pushed Chachi to stay in school.

In many ways, he was cool BUT caring.

Just when it came to women ... he had this "attitude" ... as I said, snap your fingers and have them come running. He had a "filing cabinet" of women (think binders full of women, a la Romney) and pictures of all "his women" on his wall. And when he advised the guys on the show how to "pick up chicks" ... it just seemed, well, neanderthal.



Johonny

(20,685 posts)
7. The books are worse than the movies
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:24 PM
Apr 2013

The movies tone down the bitter hatred of women Flemming's books had.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
12. I've only read some f the John Gardiner books.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:41 PM
Apr 2013

It's too bad that Flemming's books disrespected women so badly.

PEACE!

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
20. I never watched Austin Powers,...
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 10:02 PM
Apr 2013

...so, since I'm not a teabagger, I can't really discuss those films. Thank you, however.

PEACE!

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
55. Teabaggers talk without knowing about their topic.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:09 PM
Apr 2013

Since I know nothing about Austin Powers movies other than that they starred Mike Myers, I don't feel comfortable talking about them.

PEACE!

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
56. Gotcha
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:11 PM
Apr 2013

Thanks for the clarification. I was trying to think of what connection there could be and had been drawing a blank.

DerekG

(2,935 posts)
19. I adore the early Connery/Craig films
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:55 PM
Apr 2013

They're fairly dark, escapist confections, centering around an antihero who battles monsters. Bond's contempt for women is part and parcel of his character, and should not be watered down.

Take away the connotations to "The bitch is dead," and you've stripped the gentleman killer of his intrigue.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
21. Good point, but...
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 10:04 PM
Apr 2013

...I never considered the way that SEAN Connery was presented as an antihero.

I haven't yet seen any of the Craig films, so I can't really comment other than to say that he's young and has blonde hair. Thank you, though.

PEACE!

DerekG

(2,935 posts)
23. Watch Casino Royale...now.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 11:01 PM
Apr 2013

The dark implications of the character are laid bare, and your perception of the Connery of Dr. No and From Russia With Love will be forever altered.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
24. I'd like to see that one!
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:40 AM
Apr 2013

I'll se if it's streaming on Netflix. A few months ago, my (then) 12 year old son went to "Skyfall" for his first date. They loved it but I also think that they may have been very excited about being on each of their first DATES!

PEACE!

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
25. I actually think Bond reflects that current culture's idea of what a man should be.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:50 AM
Apr 2013

Sort of a barometer. I love Bond movies, and you can see an evolution in cultural and social mores through him.

The current Bond is rather startling in that regard.

Personally, IMO I actually like him the best, he's a thoughtful Bond, when you get past the bravado, especially in this last movie.

The scene where he weeps over the dying M is striking.



MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
35. Thanks for the videos.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:00 PM
Apr 2013

I haven't seen any Daniel Craig Bonds yet. I'm sorry to see that M dies because I think that the great Judi Denshe (spelling?) is wonderful in the part.

PEACE!

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
74. Personally I think she was the Best of the M's she lends a fantastic
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:09 PM
Apr 2013

quality and is in a sense Bond's conscience.

Sorry about the spoiler

But she is in all the Craig movies thru Skyfall. Plus Ralph Finnes is introduced as the new M and we even meet Miss MoneyPenny for the first time.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
26. The Bond movies were a product and a mirror of their time
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:56 AM
Apr 2013

I find it interesting to watch them with the perspective of time having passed and how differently we thought then and now. Something obviously good happened in the intervening years to make such a difference. As a feminist I like to think I actually had some small part in making our societal views different, and, I hope better.

I think in the coming years we'll have the same reaction to our societal treatment of gays. We will actually be very uncomfortable when we watch movies where treatment of gays shows us how demeaning it was (is).

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
36. I hope that Rupert Everett's dream comes true.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:04 PM
Apr 2013

He wants to play the first openly gay James Bondish character. The thing about him is thaas a straight guy, I can appreciate that he is a very sexy man.

PEACE!

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
27. James Bond is supposed to be irresistible. The women were depicted as willing but it did
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 10:20 AM
Apr 2013

represent an unrealistic attitude. Todays James Bond, Daniel Craig, is ruled over by a strong woman.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
37. M has been a woman since Pierce Brosnan's films.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:08 PM
Apr 2013

In Goldfinger, Bond definitely forces himself on Honor Blackman (Pussy Galore)!

PEACE!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
70. Which is probably why I think Daniel Craig is the sexiest one of all of them.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:33 PM
Apr 2013

Or maybe I just have a thing for Daniel Craig, but he is extremely manly to me. There is a big difference between manly and macho. Manly men just are. Macho men are putting on an act to cover up for weakness and insecurity.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
29. Sean Connery was a gigantic misogynist
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apr 2013

and you can see it in how he plays Bond.

Do I realize that this is not 1965 and you can't slap a woman on the ass anymore and say "Man talk" to make her leave? Yes, because I'm not a moron or a chauvinist. Do I still enjoy the movies? Yes, because they are a national treasure. Bond is Bond, and trying to water him down would make him something other than what Ian Fleming made him.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
31. The character as written from the novels possibly. From the movies perhaps the earlier
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:39 PM
Apr 2013

incarnations. The current Daniel Craig version, no. He's more cynical about women than anything. Deep down this Bond is realizing also, that the years are beginning to wear long on him.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
66. Connery's Bond was.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 05:00 PM
Apr 2013

Roger Moore's less so.

As time progressed Bond became less sexist. Brosnan's Bond, I think, was peak suave for the character.

Then there was the pseudo-gay scene in Skyfall--which was groundbreaking for Bond, I think.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
68. Yeah I saw that and went "Holy Shit" The Villian...REALLY REALLY likes Bond..
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 05:05 PM
Apr 2013

Bond was worried too...


The misogyny by Connery was addressed back in the Woody Allen written version of "Casino Royale" 1967

The Retired Bond "Played By David Niven
..From Casino Royale:

007
Hardly a description of that sexual acrobat who leaves a t-trail of beautiful dead women like blown roses behind him
M:
- You mean...
007
- You know very well who I mean. That b-bounder to whom you gave my name and number.


MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
38. I don't think I suggested watering him down,...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:10 PM
Apr 2013

...but he was definitely forcing himself on some of the women in the earlier films.

PEACE!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
32. I always thought Bond movies were sexist and stupid.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 01:41 PM
Apr 2013

But I guess there's a huge enough audience for that and they do quite well.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
73. You would think that
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:02 PM
Apr 2013

Heaven forbid, you might view them as... you know, pure escapism.

"Large Audience" snicker

The Most Valuable Movie Franchises Of All-Time: 24/7 Wall St.:
2. James Bond ---Likely back to #1 now that Harry Potter is done.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/most-valuable-movie-franchises-all-time_n_1088393.html#s467431&title=2_James_Bond

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
75. well, that's the thing, it's escapism for men
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:10 PM
Apr 2013

most movies and such are aimed at the male point of view and women are just things to play with and no matter how strong a female character can start off in a movie like a Bond, she always ends up subservient to the man in some way at the end of the movie. She is put in her place, over and over.

Simple formula: 1. Man meets woman. 2. They don't like each other at first 3. Flirts start anyway and we know they are going to do the jiggy jiggy push push. 4. The jiggy deed is done. 5. She is either an enemy evil spy or dead or humiliated by the end of the movie.

Next!

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
78. God you shovel it. Demographics
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:48 PM
Apr 2013

It's official. 'Skyfall' is the biggest movie in UK box office history.
Bond 23 has now taken £94,277,612 in just 40 days, beating the £94,025,632 record set by James Cameron's 'Avatar' in its entire 11 month release.

Amongst Women:
Although audience demographics were split around 60/40 male to female, that's about as close to equal as any action-thriller is ever likely to attract.

As for story-line, hate to break it to you, but there are only about 36 story lines that really exist.

I suggest you might go read some Joesph Campbell "The Heroes Journey"

The real trick is to make what ever story-line you use seem original.

Maybe you ought to go drool over Steel Magnolias or something. What part of "Action-Movie" genre don't you understand?

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-editors/why-skyfall-success-141909030.html

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
44. For good reason
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:39 PM
Apr 2013

"We were fucked."

Pressed about his involvement on writing scenes for 'Solace,' Craig reveals that there was really no other option, and adds an interesting tidbit that originally, the film wasn't supposed to connect to "Casino Royale" much at all. "Me and the director (Marc Forster) were the ones allowed to do it. The rules were that you couldn’t employ anyone as a writer, but the actor and director could work on scenes together," he explained. "We were stuffed. We got away with it, but only just. It was never meant to be as much of a sequel as it was, but it ended up being a sequel, starting where the last one finished."

"On 'Quantum,' we were fucked," he said plainly. "We had the bare bones of a script and then there was a writers’ strike and there was nothing we could do. We couldn’t employ a writer to finish it. I say to myself, 'Never again,' but who knows? There was me trying to rewrite scenes – and a writer I am not.’"

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/daniel-craig-says-writers-strike-fucked-quantum-of-solace-he-rewrote-scenes-with-marc-forster

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. James Bond is a sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 02:45 PM
Apr 2013

And that is from another movie even! I LOVED JB as a kid and teen. As an adult I really don't care for the movies at all and see them as overthetop power/sex games of the elite - formula. Boring.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
53. I had to throw it in since it is part of the quote.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:06 PM
Apr 2013

Okay how about he is a 'lowdown, good fer nothing, backstabbing, double dealing, larcenist perverted worm'? I know, doesn't fit but I like the quote anyway.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
58. Please...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:15 PM
Apr 2013

...tell this apparently clueless old fudd what movie. I LOVE good sarcastic movie quotes!

PEACE!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
60. 9to5 and Heavy Metal
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:22 PM
Apr 2013

respectively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_to_5_(film)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Metal_(film)

I haven't seen either in years...but recommend them both!


EDIT - hmm weird Wiki let me link to them in preview then double crossed me after I posted.

9to5 -9 to 5 is a 1980 American comedy film written by Patricia Resnick and Colin Higgins, starring Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin, Dolly Parton, and Dabney Coleman. The film concerns three working women living out their fantasies of getting even with, and their successful overthrow of, the company's autocratic, "sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot" boss.

Heavy Metal - Heavy Metal is a 1981 Canadian fantasy-animated film directed by Gerald Potterton and produced by Ivan Reitman and Leonard Mogel, who also was the publisher of Heavy Metal magazine, the basis for the film. The screenplay was written by Daniel Goldberg and Len Blum.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
49. As a young boy, I looked at them sort of like...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:00 PM
Apr 2013

...Bonanza, Maverick or Gunsmoke without horses and with bikinis and sports cars.

Of course, girls do mature before boys.

PEACE!

jambo101

(797 posts)
57. I dont see any one getting raped
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:12 PM
Apr 2013

All those bond girls seemed more than happy to get it on with James Bond, now in your later years you are seeing the Bond girls as the victims of rape????
Perhaps i'm missing your point..

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
61. In some of the early Connery films...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:25 PM
Apr 2013

...he certainly seems to be forcing the issue, especially when he forces Honor Blackmun into the hay about a half hour before the end of "Goldfinger" and to a lesser extent the nurse early in "Thunderball".

I'm not THAT old (yet) but seeing these scenes again recently on Netflix made me a bit uncomfortable. I was raised as a young man that if a girl and I were "necking" and she said to stop, than not only stop immediately but to break all physical contact.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a licensed to kill international spy to have the exact same outlook on the world that I do!

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Johonny

(20,685 posts)
71. He rapes Pussy Galore in Goldfinger to "fix" her from her lesbian ways
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 07:49 PM
Apr 2013

They toned it way down for the movie, but it is still pretty bad even then.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
72. Where was it written that Pussy Galore was a lesbian?
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 12:55 PM
Apr 2013

I mean, that scene where he forces himself on her made me uncomfortable too--but I never got "lesbian" from her.

Johonny

(20,685 posts)
77. read the books
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:33 PM
Apr 2013

from wiki

In the novel, Pussy Galore is the only woman in the United States known to be running an organised crime gang. Initially trapeze artists, her group of performing catwomen, "Pussy Galore and her Abrocats," is unsuccessful, and so the women train as cat burglars instead.

Her group evolves into an all-lesbian organisation, based in Harlem, known as the Cement Mixers. (Pussy Galore is a lesbian as well.) In the novel, she has black hair, pale skin and the only violet eyes Bond says he has ever seen. She is in her thirties, her voice low and attractive. Pussy tells Bond that she became a lesbian after she was sexually abused by her uncle at the age of 12.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
62. Reflections of times.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:25 PM
Apr 2013

Bond movies have been around long enough that they show a continuum of the popular culture from the early 1960s to today.

Take them for what they are -- popular entertainment.

For Bond movies as representative of cinematic arts, I suggest taking care not to judge the filmmakers of the '60s by today's standards ... just as reproving other creative arts such as Huckleberry Finn or Shakespeare or Homer or Picasso or Glenn Miller, etc. by 2013 mores is simplistic and superficial.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
64. I understand that they reflect the times, and...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:34 PM
Apr 2013

...I alluded to that in my OP.

I'm also glad that those times are over. I always considered the smart Bond girls to be the sexiest ones, as I have always considered intelligence and strength to be the most attractive and sexiest qualities a woman could have!

PEACE!

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
76. Saw my first Bond flick when I was 14. Loved it. I also like the latest trilogy.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:14 PM
Apr 2013

The new ones may be the best of the bunch.

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