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Its started ALREADY!!! (Original Post) bigdarryl Apr 2013 OP
I saw this coming n/t OhioChick Apr 2013 #1
I know, exactly what Obama wants them to say Coyotl Apr 2013 #9
Who cares Larrylarry Apr 2013 #2
Reality doesn't matter. They now have an ad they can upaloopa Apr 2013 #4
Well this guy makes three so far! And I'm sure there will be more before long when the see what a sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #6
Didn't they expect this? What kind of political strategists do we have working for the Democratic sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #3
Never before have Democrats or Republicans used Social Security as their bargaining chip. avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #8
George Bush tried in 2005 after Paul Ryan told him that 'SS was not the Third Rail of politics sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #11
Politicians may have tried before but never at THIS level, or by a Democrat. NEVER! avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #13
They're really good at running Presidential campaigns Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #16
O.K. Wellstone ruled Apr 2013 #5
The Start? It started with Obama's first appointments Armstead Apr 2013 #17
Hmm...so maybe there was a rope a dope taking place? Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #7
The Club For Growth is excoriating him for this. randome Apr 2013 #10
It already has. According to my elderly neighbor, she is very glad that Republicans are not going to sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #12
I guess you were asleep last year Armstead Apr 2013 #15
Can't you see the big picture? progressoid Apr 2013 #14
Well, I just don't know who to believe now magellan Apr 2013 #18
time to implement phase 5 of the master plan snooper2 Apr 2013 #19
Since it's already started, the smartest thing Pres. Obama could do is to take it off the table... Liberal In Texas Apr 2013 #20
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
9. I know, exactly what Obama wants them to say
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

Get the bastards on record opposing this, then make them pay more taxes to fund "their policy"

 

Larrylarry

(76 posts)
2. Who cares
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apr 2013

The guy supported the Ryan budget, he is now being attacked by repyblicans for his hypocritical views

Is that what you saw coming ?

Name one sitting republican who is attacking the CCI proposal ...

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. Reality doesn't matter. They now have an ad they can
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:29 PM
Apr 2013

hope to hurt Dems with. Repubs never tell the truth. Whether they support it or not they will use it against Dems. Obama gave them the opportunity. Now we have to challenge it, something that never should have happened in the first place.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. Well this guy makes three so far! And I'm sure there will be more before long when the see what a
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:32 PM
Apr 2013

fantastic issue this is for them until after the 2014 elections. Then of course they will use it in a different way, they will claim that 'even Democrats were on board with cutting SS benefits'. But meantime the know the public has a short memory and we now have them running around claiming to be the defenders of Seniors.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. Didn't they expect this? What kind of political strategists do we have working for the Democratic
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:29 PM
Apr 2013

Party?? I've never seen worse strategy anywhere, assuming this is not what they want, to give Republicans a fantastic issue for the next election.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
8. Never before have Democrats or Republicans used Social Security as their bargaining chip.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

Utterly shameful.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. George Bush tried in 2005 after Paul Ryan told him that 'SS was not the Third Rail of politics
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:59 PM
Apr 2013

anymore. Boy did he find out what happens when you touch that rail. He was sent home packing and the Left was completely united and totally effective in making sure he did just that. His 50 state tour on SS ended after one or two I believe.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
16. They're really good at running Presidential campaigns
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

but they absolutely suck at budget negotiations. They start out by giving the other side 90% of what they want. We saw that in the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 and we're seeing it now with the budget negotiations.

They act as if they lost the election. The American people chose Obama BECAUSE they thought he would better defend social programs from assault.

Now they hand them this issue for the 2014 election.



 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. O.K.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:31 PM
Apr 2013

is this just the start of the TRIANGULATION garbage again? After catching Axelrod's bit last night,here we go again. Damn Wall Street Wing of the Dem party. And,just got a fund raiser letter yesterday,think not. Show me the facts. 1998 all over again. Bullshit!!!!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. The Start? It started with Obama's first appointments
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

Remember how many of his early picks came from The Usual Suspects?

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
7. Hmm...so maybe there was a rope a dope taking place?
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

Maybe Obama found the bottom to the GOP's empty souls?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. The Club For Growth is excoriating him for this.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:38 PM
Apr 2013

And Norquist calls CCPI a 'tax increase'.

This is not going to result in Republicans marching forth to protect SS. It's not.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. It already has. According to my elderly neighbor, she is very glad that Republicans are not going to
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:04 PM
Apr 2013

let this happen. I guess she saw Bachmann (R)and Greg Walden (R) rushing out to say how shocked they are that the President would try to reduce the deficit on the 'backs of seniors'. They are SHOCKED they say, that anyone would so such a thing.

And we know they are lying, but most seniors and others dependent on SS, only hear that the President proposed cuts to their SS checks and the Republicans are saying 'no, we will not do that to Srs'. I would love to know who thought up this strategy. Whoever they are they need to be fired.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
15. I guess you were asleep last year
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:09 PM
Apr 2013

Remember that little thing when the Republican candidates jumped on Obama for "Cutting Medicare" and how the GOP was going to protect it for seniors?

Sure they were spouting bullshit, but they've had a lot of success over the years with bullshit. Why hand them more to work with?

magellan

(13,257 posts)
18. Well, I just don't know who to believe now
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

The Repubs are tying Chained CPI around Obama's neck, and now the WH is saying Obama included it only because the Repubs asked him to.

Neither answer speaks well of Obama.

Liberal In Texas

(13,546 posts)
20. Since it's already started, the smartest thing Pres. Obama could do is to take it off the table...
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:18 PM
Apr 2013

...he could just say, "Oh, you don't want it? It's gone."

But that probably won't happen either.

It was a terrible political blunder to put it out in the first place.

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