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Bandit

(21,475 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:00 PM Apr 2013

Is there anybody here that believes ANY Budget presented by the President would not be DOA

This Budget is Dead on Arrival just like any budget a Democratic President would present.. Republicans will not be budged at least not until common sense Republicans (if there is any such thing) regain control of the Primary system....I don't think there is any real fear of increases to Social Security or Medicare in the near future. As for Political fodder I don't know how it will play out. Maybe it is all about Democrats appearing reasonable and willing to compromise while Republicans do nothing but obstruct...I do believe that Obama and Democrats are taking a big risk in even suggesting cuts to Social Security.....Obama is a risk taker. He did so with the Somali pirates, and he did so with Osama Bin Ladin, He is a much smarter man than me, so I have to believe they have thought this through...It is painful to watch the sausage being made, that's for sure...

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Is there anybody here that believes ANY Budget presented by the President would not be DOA (Original Post) Bandit Apr 2013 OP
I tend to agree JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #1
Yes this budget is DOA. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #2
He's not smarter than you. The Link Apr 2013 #3
Rational minds agree Larrylarry Apr 2013 #4
It's definitely DOA. HappyMe Apr 2013 #5
Only this time... RGinNJ Apr 2013 #6
If that is true, then why doesn't he post a budget that 90% of the American Cleita Apr 2013 #7
^THIS^ magellan Apr 2013 #12
Because a majority of Americans Larrylarry Apr 2013 #20
No compromise is necessary if the Repubs are going to reject all of Obama's proposals anyway magellan Apr 2013 #21
I'm *pretty* sure that DU won't take me up on it, woo me with science Apr 2013 #8
LOL Puglover Apr 2013 #13
Then they just don't understand magellan Apr 2013 #17
Of course it is sharp_stick Apr 2013 #9
It is not fear at raises but consternation at seeing critical programs Agnosticsherbet Apr 2013 #10
The chained CPI for social security makes it The Second Stone Apr 2013 #11
This Liberalynn Apr 2013 #14
If it's DOA, WHY NOT PROPOSE THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS'S BUDGET??? grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #15
Imagine if he and the Dems had gotten behind that magellan Apr 2013 #18
The short answer is that it's not sharp_stick Apr 2013 #19
But better for us in 2014 if we're proposing things Americans want rather than the far right fringe, grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #22
Then why not propose what he actually think is BEST??? cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #16

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
1. I tend to agree
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:06 PM
Apr 2013

Which is why I've been pretty quiet on this.

He's Charlie Brown and the Republicans are Lucy holding the football. All of this brouhaha and he is still going to end up on the ground with a sore back.

I don't believe his budget will pass at all.

 

Larrylarry

(76 posts)
4. Rational minds agree
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

It's DOA

The Ryan budget has a better chance , after all , it passed the House

Obamas budget won't get passed in either house

If the Ryan budget is DOA , the the Obama budget is buried 6 feet under

RGinNJ

(1,018 posts)
6. Only this time...
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:14 PM
Apr 2013

it's DOA for both sides of the isle. In my opinion it will hurt Dems in the midterm elections.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. If that is true, then why doesn't he post a budget that 90% of the American
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:15 PM
Apr 2013

people would love? Since it will be DOA anyway, why shouldn't he win points for his Party, while making the Republicans look like the bad guys. Instead he is wining and dining the bad guys, trying to be one of them and they still are going to treat him and anything he stand for like shit anyway. Why can't he welcome their hatred like FDR did? Guess what? FDR got elected to office four times and died in it. This is why I don't like term limits. It creates a lame duck presidency and while Obama could have used that in his favor, he chose to finish feathering the nests of his Wall Street buddies instead, who he will no doubt join after he leaves office. This whole ploy to destroy SS down the line paves the way for privatization, which has already proved to not work for the benefit of senior citizens wherever it has been tried. It does work quite well for the money changers though.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
21. No compromise is necessary if the Repubs are going to reject all of Obama's proposals anyway
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:49 PM
Apr 2013

If the OP is right and Obama only included SS cuts because he knew the Repubs would reject his budget, then he could have included things that Americans really want instead of offering to sell the farm and got the same result...without pissing off a majority of Americans.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
8. I'm *pretty* sure that DU won't take me up on it,
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:16 PM
Apr 2013

so I'm going to take the courageous step right now of making a formal proposal, publicly, for strangling puppies.

My smartness in doing this may elude some of you, but I'm sure you'll agree, since we both wear the same lovely blue jacket, that I should be admired for my courage in taking this stand.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
17. Then they just don't understand
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:01 PM
Apr 2013

Or they're trolls sent to undermine you. But because I believe in you, and that you do nothing if not for the greater good, I'm sure your reasoning will become crystal clear by and by. Strangle away.














I hope I don't need that sarcasm thingie here.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
9. Of course it is
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:18 PM
Apr 2013

In fact they've already killed it.

It's always a play looking to the next election. Democrats can use this for 2014 as yet another case of intransigent Republican stonewalling and push the "do nothing Congress label" that worked pretty well for them in 2012.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
10. It is not fear at raises but consternation at seeing critical programs
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

for public health and well being used as todays political footballs because there is evidence that such footballs score goals, eventually.

I, too, am pretty sure that Republicans do not want the visual of an apparent Obama "win" should his budget be passed. But back between 1992 and 1996, I was appalled at the Republican idea of health care. Where I see that there are many good things about the Affordable Care Act, I am acutely aware that the majority of ACA was the Republican bill of the 1990's. So todays political football, will continue to be carried until some dickweed Congress and President, in a decade or so, passes it.

Some footballs should be spiked rather than used to run out the clock.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
11. The chained CPI for social security makes it
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

dead to me. And it is also a major intentionally broken promise. A true slap in the face. Not that I didn't expect that. Obama is better than any Republican, but he is far from a liberal.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
15. If it's DOA, WHY NOT PROPOSE THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS'S BUDGET???
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:55 PM
Apr 2013
"The People’s Budget eliminates the deficit in 10 years, puts Americans back to work and restores our economic competitiveness. The People’s Budget recognizes that in order to compete, our nation needs every American to be productive, and in order to be productive we need to raise our skills to meet modern needs.

Our Budget Eliminates the Deficit and Raises a $31 Billion Surplus In Ten Years
Our budget protects Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and responsibly eliminates the deficit by targeting its main drivers: the Bush Tax Cuts, the wars overseas, and the causes and effects of the recent recession.

Our Budget Puts America Back to Work & Restores America’s Competitiveness
• Trains teachers and restores schools; rebuilds roads and bridges and ensures that users help pay for them
• Invests in job creation, clean energy and broadband infrastructure, housing and R&D programs

Our Budget Creates a Fairer Tax System
• Ends the recently passed upper-income tax cuts and lets Bush-era tax cuts expire at the end of 2012
• Extends tax credits for the middle class, families, and students
• Creates new tax brackets that range from 45% starting at $1 million to 49% for $1 billion or more
• Implements a progressive estate tax
• Eliminates corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies; closes loopholes for multinational corporations
• Enacts a financial crisis responsibility fee and a financial speculation tax on derivatives and foreign exchange

Our Budget Protects Health
• Enacts a health care public option and negotiates prescription payments with pharmaceutical companies
• Prevents any cuts to Medicare physician payments for a decade

Our Budget Safeguards Social Security for the Next 75 Years
• Eliminates the individual Social Security payroll cap to make sure upper income earners pay their fair share
• Increases benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side

Our Budget Brings Our Troops Home
• Responsibly ends our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to leave America more secure both home and abroad
• Cuts defense spending by reducing conventional forces, procurement, and costly R&D programs

Our Budget’s Bottom Line
• Deficit reduction of $5.6 trillion
• Spending cuts of $1.7 trillion
• Revenue increase of $3.9 trillion
• Public investment $1.7 trillion



Support for the People's Budget

President Bill Clinton

"The most comprehensive alternative to the budgets passed by the House Republicans and recommended by the Simpson-Bowles Commission"

"Does two things far better than the antigovernment budget passed by the House: it takes care of older Americans and others who need help; and much more than the House plan, or the Simpson-Bowles plan, it invests a lot our tax money to get America back in the future business"

Paul Krugman

“genuinely courageous”

“achieves this without dismantling the legacy of the New Deal”

Dean Baker

"if you want a serious effort to balance the budget, here it is."

Jeffrey Sachs

“A bolt of hope…humane, responsible, and most of all sensible”

Robert Reich

"modest and reasonable"

The Economist

“Courageous”

“Mr Ryan's plan adds (by its own claims) $6 trillion to the national debt over the next decade, but promises to balance the budget by sometime in the 2030s by cutting programmes for the poor and the elderly. The Progressive Caucus's plan would (by its own claims) balance the budget by 2021 by cutting defence spending and raising taxes, mainly on rich people.”

The New Republic

“...something that's gotten far too little attention in this debate. The most fiscally responsible plan seems to be neither the Republicans' nor the president's. It's the Congressional Progressive Caucus plan…”

The Washington Post

"It’s much more courageous to propose taxes on the rich and powerful than spending cuts on the poor and disabled."

Rachel Maddow

“Balances the budget 20 years earlier than Paul Ryan even tries to”

The Guardian

“the most fiscally responsible in town… would balance the books by 2021“

The Nation

"the strongest rebuke...to the unconscionable 'Ryan Budget' for FY 2012."

Center for American Progress

"once again put requiring more sacrifice from the luckiest among us back on the table"

Economic Policy Institute

"National budget policy should adequately fund up-front job creation, invest in long-term economic growth, reform the tax code, and put the debt on a sustainable path while protecting the economic security of low-income Americans and growing the middle class. The proposal by the Congressional Progressive caucus achieves all of these goals."

The Washington Post

“The Congressional Progressive Caucus plan wins the fiscal responsibility derby thus far."

Rolling Stone

"This is more than a fantasy document. It's sound policy."

Forbes

"instead of gutting programs for the poor like Medicaid and Medicare, food stamps, and the new healthcare law, the People’s Budget focuses on cuts in defense. It also doesn’t scrap new financial regulations designed to at least partly stave off another massive financial collapse like the one that put us in this mess in the first place.""

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-peoples-budget/

magellan

(13,257 posts)
18. Imagine if he and the Dems had gotten behind that
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:06 PM
Apr 2013

It makes sense. Everyone I've shared it with LOVES it, including some libertarian friends and family. The Repubs would've cut their own throats opposing it.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
19. The short answer is that it's not
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:17 PM
Apr 2013

politically expedient.

If he proposes that budget and it gets shot down there isn't enough gain in the math. The Republicans could take that budget, kill it, and parrot their idiotic austerity policies as being a different option and it's done.

They are now looking at 2014 and in that they are looking to paint the Republicans as out of touch and "do nothing". Obama proposes a budget that pretty clearly takes puke budget talking points and puts them right up front. The
Republicans come back with the inevitable "it's not enough" crap shoot it down and as usual do nothing, making the argument for a Democratic majority in the House for the Democrats.

The danger here for Obama, and it's pretty miniscule IMO, is that the pukes say OK lets do it.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
22. But better for us in 2014 if we're proposing things Americans want rather than the far right fringe,
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:50 PM
Apr 2013
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