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senseandsensibility

(16,713 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:24 PM Apr 2013

Oh joy....Rachel is taking on the SS story at last

She announced that to cover the problems Obama is having with his base, she will interview a REPUBLICAN.

She's doing it right now. Worth the wait, huh?

She is interviewing one Republican, probably the most boring Republican ever, Steve Schmidt. That's it. And the actual issue was not even addressed. It was war stories about how Republicans deal with dissent.
Wonderful stuff.

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Oh joy....Rachel is taking on the SS story at last (Original Post) senseandsensibility Apr 2013 OP
She tried to mine good tips from him flamingdem Apr 2013 #1
He tried to put out the hair on fire about entitlement reform meme again. Cleita Apr 2013 #2
I can't believe the way she treated this story. Seems to me she is treating it like diabeticman Apr 2013 #3
Very superficial senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #4
Nothing Nite Owl Apr 2013 #10
Huh? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #11
Just sent Nite Owl Apr 2013 #5
But Steve thought Chained CPI is great neverforget Apr 2013 #6
Ms. Maddow called this piece 'Mad Lib'... Really? TheProgressive Apr 2013 #7
Exactly. Her hands off approach senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #8
Maybe she's not as convinced it is end of world when looking at big picture. Hoyt Apr 2013 #9
Indeed, I seriously doubt Ms Maddow will be dependent on Social Security in her dotage n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #15
I doubt she will be immigrating either, but she still rants about it. Hoyt Apr 2013 #20
I don't believe there will be any "protection" for the "lower end" Fumesucker Apr 2013 #22
then, there is no ccpi. Hoyt Apr 2013 #24
most of SS is 'the lower end'. 2/3 of recipients rely on SS for half or more of their total income. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #25
no actually I could draw ss right now and will need every penny. But unlike you Hoyt Apr 2013 #30
they *will* be impacted. and regardless of how i might view ccpi in relation to other worse HiPointDem Apr 2013 #31
Didn't say it was good, but alternative may well be alot worse. Think positive. Hoyt Apr 2013 #33
i do think positive. that's why i'm fighting 'the lesser of the two evils' meme you're pushing. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #35
Well try to look at the big picture, not just the bottom line on ss check. Hoyt Apr 2013 #40
your 'big picture' is more of the same. 'we will be grateful for these crumbs when the economy HiPointDem Apr 2013 #42
Since its pretty much up to Obama, Im gonna hope he does what's best for country. Hoyt Apr 2013 #43
he's a creation of the chicago political machine. i look to him for nothing. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #45
I wish that we could pay him money to do the right thing. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #47
What you're pushing is the old Freidman, neo-liberal policies described by Naomi Klein in sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #48
At like 25K, everyone is low end. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #34
In the dock, one Rachel Maddow. The charge? Insufficient Outrage alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #12
There's room under here, madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #16
I agree she'll wait to read the fine print on the actual text. Of course, I noted that elsewhere, alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #18
LOL! I didn't know what to expect when I clicked the thread Number23 Apr 2013 #27
THANKS! elleng Apr 2013 #29
She's intelligent enough to know it's not that big of a deal. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #13
I think you don't realize how big this is going to be. This won't effect just seniors and diabeticman Apr 2013 #17
i think he's just pushing the party line and doesn't give a damn about the impact. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #36
I remember the good old days, when the same people who are now saying it's "no big deal" Marr Apr 2013 #37
indeed. party-liners, apparatchiki. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #41
+1. Hoyt Apr 2013 #21
What the.... it's a very 840high Apr 2013 #23
I'd like to see someone from DFA Nite Owl Apr 2013 #14
It appears no one on MSNBC cares to really discuss SS and C-CPI... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #19
so much for the 'left media'. rachel = prep school girl HiPointDem Apr 2013 #26
Rachel lost me last summer when she trotted out the false equivalency meme forestpath Apr 2013 #28
defense of cory, darling of the neolib crowd, who was pushed to prominence by right wing HiPointDem Apr 2013 #32
And I will repeat as often as necessary, vanlassie Apr 2013 #38
+1 HiPointDem Apr 2013 #39
Oh good for her. dogknob Apr 2013 #44
you got that right. olddots Apr 2013 #46

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
3. I can't believe the way she treated this story. Seems to me she is treating it like
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:29 PM
Apr 2013

my wife (extreme liberal she is) is stupid for being upset about this.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
5. Just sent
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:30 PM
Apr 2013

You a mail!
I was so excited that it was covered I missed a lot of it.
Will have to check her website or iTunes

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
7. Ms. Maddow called this piece 'Mad Lib'... Really?
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:33 PM
Apr 2013

That's it? An interview with a republican?

And her weak "I'm...against....these...cuts...to... (I guess she had to say that)"...

What would a real democratic do on a nationwide TV show....?

I know, half hour segments every day starting on Friday on how disgusting these cut to SS would be...

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. I doubt she will be immigrating either, but she still rants about it.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:30 PM
Apr 2013

In big picture it us not a big deal in short - run, as long as there truly are protection for those at lower end.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. I don't believe there will be any "protection" for the "lower end"
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:35 PM
Apr 2013

The Republicans sure as hell aren't going to vote for it.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
25. most of SS is 'the lower end'. 2/3 of recipients rely on SS for half or more of their total income.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:58 PM
Apr 2013

1/3 for 90% or more.

comments like yours show ignorance

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. no actually I could draw ss right now and will need every penny. But unlike you
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:37 PM
Apr 2013

I know that without improvement in econony, won't be long before you will view ccpi not so bad compared to what could well be coming. And if that many are on low end, they won't be impacted. Good.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
31. they *will* be impacted. and regardless of how i might view ccpi in relation to other worse
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:55 PM
Apr 2013

things, it's still BAD.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
35. i do think positive. that's why i'm fighting 'the lesser of the two evils' meme you're pushing.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:01 AM
Apr 2013

"oooh, be grateful for this, it could be worse"

more than a passing resemblance to 'we will fuck you, but not as bad as the republicans'.

fuck that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
40. Well try to look at the big picture, not just the bottom line on ss check.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:11 AM
Apr 2013

If economy doesn't improve, youngsters get decent jobs, changes in healthcare, cut military budget, inreased taxes on upper income, etc., -- you'll wish you had given up a little in short term to get much needed legislation through. With that said, there are other ways for that to happen, without ccpi, if we are lucky.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
42. your 'big picture' is more of the same. 'we will be grateful for these crumbs when the economy
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:14 AM
Apr 2013

is destroyed'.

fuck that so-called 'logic.' you're ridiculous.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
43. Since its pretty much up to Obama, Im gonna hope he does what's best for country.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:21 AM
Apr 2013

I think he has better grasp of things than you have indicated.

Both of our ss will be at bigger risk if something doesn't happen. I'll risk a little ss if necessary, because we'll all be getter off in long run.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. What you're pushing is the old Freidman, neo-liberal policies described by Naomi Klein in
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:02 AM
Apr 2013

in Shock Doctrine. 'Diary of an Economic Hitman' also describes what you are suggesting.

Either create a disaster or take advantage of people when a disaster causes a population to be so distressed they are in a state of shock. Take away as much as possible from them, telling them it is necessary to 'save' them.

Before the disaster they have normal expectations of a decent life. But when the predatory neo-liberals are done ripping them off, usually using their puppets in government to do so, like cutting Social Programs eg, the people presumably will lower their expectations. They won't be demanding fair pay eg, they will be happy with the crumbs thrown at them, while the greedy, criminal thieves run off with a country's wealth and potential.

People must never, ever lower their expectations, in fact the more their governments try to take away from and give to the rich, the MORE people should demand. This is war and you don't fight a war by surrendering while you still have the ability to win it.

TheKentuckian

(24,943 posts)
34. At like 25K, everyone is low end.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:00 AM
Apr 2013

The selling snow job by implying most won't see a reduction or even will come out a little better can only be bull, there would be no possibility of savings.

"Protections for the poor" is just newspeak for we'll get some above the absurdly low poverty level and commence to dragging everyone else to the same point. I reckon once one somehow scraps above meager, no adjustment at all to erode it to little to no effective benefit with time.

No explaining, no double talk, no "fix it later" shit, no bipartisanship, no bogus ass "chess", no "poker", NONE OF IT!

These benefits are minimal as is, even the max for those the pegged the scale would never be reasonably called rich, in fact pretty far from it. The crying and gnashing of teeth on this motherfucker wailing in the night for the poor souls in San Francisco and New York that potentially were looking at a few percentage points on their take above $250,000.

We've already had our ante upped, our retirement has already wickedly been jacked up to 67, hell Ronnie fucking Rayguns even nudged up the cap and not a single damn unexpected thing has happened since but here they come for another pound of flesh. Not a damn thing happened except for greedhead generated crashes in the economy that those pieces of ratshit profit off of and then cry like babies to destroy the poor safety nets we have and call for deregulation and more fucking tax cuts.

No, I say this is as good a hill as any. Considering the madcap plundering of the people and the audacity to try to even make mention outside of Bircherland leads one to believe that the hungry black hole of avarice is anywhere near satiated. Mealymouthed cheering and weird mythologies aren't going to stop the stripmining of the people, the forces at work aren't going to be appeased by one more nibble.

madamesilverspurs

(15,783 posts)
16. There's room under here,
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:52 PM
Apr 2013

I'd welcome her company!

That said, she's not known for inveighing on speculation; chances are she will opine in depth once the actual details are known.

But I'll clean a spot for her on the pavement, just in case. . .

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. I agree she'll wait to read the fine print on the actual text. Of course, I noted that elsewhere,
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:56 PM
Apr 2013

in agreement with KoKo, and was met with snark about "sensible" (woodchucks? people?) having to - sniff - wait to react to proposals. You know, until they actually see the proposal! Waiting to comment on a proposal until you actually see it is apparently some oppressive plot by the centrist-right anti-New Deal Cult of personality Fake Democrats. Or something. Who can tell what these people are talking about anymore?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2644739

Number23

(24,544 posts)
27. LOL! I didn't know what to expect when I clicked the thread
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:07 PM
Apr 2013

It seemed a bit light on responses but I thought it was because people had exhausted themselves in the other 634 threads on the issue.

But even Patron Saint of TV Liberals, Rachel Maddow apparently doesn't consider this the end of the sun, moon, stars and grandma too. Classic.

Her inbox is probably flooding as we speak. She'll probably have a "follow up" story, complete with much more outrage, by the end of the week.

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
17. I think you don't realize how big this is going to be. This won't effect just seniors and
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:55 PM
Apr 2013

those on medicaid as well as medicare BUT would effect programs like food snaps and help to those families who need it THE MOST.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
37. I remember the good old days, when the same people who are now saying it's "no big deal"
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:05 AM
Apr 2013

were saying he'd never, ever, EVER offer to cut Social Security.

Now I'm seeing the same names nibbling at the idea that it's the pragmatic, responsible, adult thing to do.

I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
19. It appears no one on MSNBC cares to really discuss SS and C-CPI...
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:28 PM
Apr 2013

Ms. Maddow looked like as if she was forced to talk about and then
the ...yawn... let's talk to a republican...

There is no doubt in my mind that Obama, the bought and paid for Congress, and the corporate/media
oligarchs are going to push the c-cpi through... and what America erupt....

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
28. Rachel lost me last summer when she trotted out the false equivalency meme
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:13 PM
Apr 2013

in her ludicrous defense of her good buddy Cory Booker. Once someone shows their ass, they can't unshow it.


 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
32. defense of cory, darling of the neolib crowd, who was pushed to prominence by right wing
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:56 PM
Apr 2013

foundations, is a big tell.

he's a major education deformer.

education deform has been another topic on which rachel has been silent.

vanlassie

(5,637 posts)
38. And I will repeat as often as necessary,
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:07 AM
Apr 2013

Cory sold access to his poorest citizen's health education to Nestlé Corporation for a lousy hundred grand. What a tool.

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
44. Oh good for her.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:21 AM
Apr 2013

Reporting on another done deal. SS is on the table now.

Let's seize control of the media and take Rachel off of her GE/Comcast leash, then maybe she will report on things we can actually do something about.

Love Rachel. Hate her bosses.

msnbc is the "depress the fuck out of liberals" arm of the right-wing propaganda machine.

Nothing will change until we get the media out of corporate control and return it to the public. Nothing.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
46. you got that right.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:34 AM
Apr 2013

MSNBC GE bullshit .

We need to be angry , we have every right to be and these nice looking people smiling and working the camera are very pleased with their personal space .....Anyone that ever got pissed off on MSNBC isn't on MSNBC anymore or has a show at 4 in the morning.

"but it's all we have " bull shit we don't have it it has us .

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