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Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Good to see you round, Bill. Thanks.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)(language chosen solely for gut punching effect)
The ongoing treatment of Romany today, is pretty much equivalent to the treament of European Jews for over a millenium.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Humans are humans most deadly adversaries.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)The treatment of Romany is appalling, but there have been no large scale mass murders or forced ethnic cleansing recently enough to qualify for the present tense, for one thing.
dsc
(52,147 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)I think that's the point of the "again"; it's too late to say "never".
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)And I susspect there was sufficient wholsale murder behind the Iron Curtain to put the lie to your claim.
Today crimes committed against the Romany are poorly investigated, if they are investigated at all. And crimes commited by them are disproportianately punished.
BTW: Cambodia, Vietnam, Uganda under Idi Amin, Rwanda, and right now in Iraq and Afghanistan our very own people are into genocide up to their necks.
Oh and that little place called Palestine where the Jews are slowly but surely wiping out an entire nation.
Again, Again, Again, Again.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)In my vocabulary, the two are clearly not compatible.
Your list of genocides is at most three for seven - Rwanda and Cambodia definitely were genocides; Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine definitely weren't/aren't; I don't know enough about Amin to be sure.
You could add Saddam Hussein's treatment of the Marsh Arabs to the list if you wanted, I believe, although I don't know enough about it to be sure.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)Taliban are not a political party, they're as much a people in their own right as the Hutus or Tutsis, not very nice, but a people all the same. George Bush's annoucement of his intention to wipe them out was a declaration of intent to commit genocide.
Palestine: Destruction of identity; refusal of self determination; millions forced from their land and into what amount to concentration camps. Genocide.
Vietnam: Mai Lai was just the one that made headlines. There were dozens, possibly 100s of other like examples. Genocide.
You don't have to kill everyone to commit genocide, just try to destroy their collective identity.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)But hey, maybe *this* time they mean it...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)for remembering
LeftishBrit
(41,202 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)Most hip-hop/rap at the time, when being political, was about the plight of the American black male born into poverty.
"To all those races, colors, and creeds,
every man bleeds, for the countless victims
and all the families of the murdered, tortured and slaved,
raped, robbed and persecuted
Never Again, To the men, women, and children.
Who died in their struggle to survive,
never to be forgotten.
Reuven Ben Menachum, yo..
My own blood, dragged through the mud
Perished in my heart still cherished and loved
Stripped of our pride, everything we lived for
Families cried, there's no where to run to, no where to hide
Tossed to the side, Access denied
6 million died for what?
Yo a man shot dead in his back
Helpless women and children under constant attack
For no reason, till the next season, and we still bleeding
Yo it's freezing, And men burn in hell, some for squeezing
No hope for a remedy, nothing to believe
Moving targets, who walk with the star in their sleeve
Forever marked wit a number, tattooed to your body
Late night, eyes closed, clutched to my shotty
Having visions, flashes of death camps and prisons, no provisions
Deceived by the devils decisions, forced into a slave
Death before dishonor for those men who were brave
Shot and sent to their grave
can't awaken, it's too late, Everything's been taken,
I'm shaken, family, history, the making
Never again shall we march like sheep to the slaughter
Never again shall we sit and take orders
Stripped of our culture, robbed of our name
Raped of our freedom and thrown into the flames
Forced from our families, taken from our homes
Moved from our God then burned of our bones
Never again, never again, shall we march like sheep to the slaughter
Leave our sons and daughters, stripped of our culture
Robbed of our name
Raped of our freedom and thrown into the flames
Forced from our families, taken from our homes
Moved from our God and everything we own
Some fled through the rumors of wars
But most left were dead, few escaped to the shores
With just one loaf of bread, banished, hold in for questioning
And vanished, Never to be seen again, I can't express the pain
That was felt in the train to Auschwitz, tears poured down like rain
Naked face to face, with the master race, Hatred blood and David
My heart belongs to God and stay sacred
Rabbi's and priests, Disabled individuals
The poor, the scholars all labeled common criminals
Mass extermination, total annihilation
Shipped into the ghetto and prepared for liquidation
Tortured and starved, innocent experiments
Stripped down and carved up or gassed to death
The last hour, I smelled the flowers
Flashbacks of family then sent to the showers
Powerless undressed, women with babies clumped tight to their chest
Crying, who would've guessed -- dying, another life lost
Count the cost, another body gas burned and tossed in the holocaust"
Hekate
(90,538 posts)(hard to achieve silent reflection at DU, but yes, Never Again applies to all humanity, no matter how we fail or succeed, fail or succeed, we must not forget)