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(910 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:43 PM Apr 2013

Country star Brad Paisley explains why he wears the Confederate flag in controversial new song

Styled as a conversation between a white Southerner and a black New Yorker, the song features the two singers having a charged debate about race – and features Paisley's character walking into a coffee shop wearing a shirt with a Confederate flag on it.

"I don't know if any of you noticed, but there is some racial tension here and there," Paisley, 40, says in an interview airing Tuesday on The Ellen DeGeneres Show. "I felt like when we were writing this song it wasn't necessarily up to the media … or talk radio or anything like that to deal with that anymore. I think it's music's turn to have the conversation."

In the song, Paisley sings, "[I'm] just a proud rebel son with an ol' can of worms/Lookin' like I got a lot to learn." LL Cool J, 45, replies. "If you don't judge my do-rag … I won't judge your red flag/If you don't judge my gold chains … I'll forget the iron chains."

The song caused a firestorm in social media on Tuesday, with many criticizing Paisley for glossing over the history of racism in the South. The actor and comedian Patton Oswalt wrote on Twitter: "I can't wait for Brad Paisley & LL Cool J's next single: 'Whoopsy Daisy, Holocaust, My Bad.' "

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20689483,00.html


I know they meant well but this is one of the worst collaborations I've ever heard!
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Country star Brad Paisley explains why he wears the Confederate flag in controversial new song (Original Post) fried eggs Apr 2013 OP
'Whoopsy Daisy, Holocaust, My Bad.' " trumad Apr 2013 #1
Brad Paisley is a good guy. And a fine guitarist. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #2
He ought to stick to guitar-playing. Paladin Apr 2013 #8
You Paisley apologists need to read The Rude Pundit's take on this song. Paladin Apr 2013 #59
Paisley's Heart is in Right Place Stallion Apr 2013 #23
The song is called..... yesphan Apr 2013 #29
The Song I was Thinking about was "Welcome to the Future" Stallion Apr 2013 #34
and this excuses the confederate flag... Skittles Apr 2013 #53
I agree--welcome to DU, by the way. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #47
Hello ~ Stallion In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #50
It sure as hell is no Ebony and Ivory. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #3
He's a talented guitar player. Lyricist? Not so much. Erose999 Apr 2013 #7
To be fair, "Ebony and Ivory" sucked too arcane1 Apr 2013 #28
Talented? demwing Apr 2013 #30
What's for supper Grandpa! Lint Head Apr 2013 #4
I won't judge your swastika if you don't judge my kippa. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #5
I like this ironic song. What sucked was Hank Jr's racist "A country boy can survive" in the70s graham4anything Apr 2013 #6
I heard Tarantino was endorsing Hillary. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #11
QT will probably back both nominees to then say he backed the winner graham4anything Apr 2013 #12
LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #18
what specifically was racist about that song? datasuspect Apr 2013 #35
Hank Williams Jr. disrespecting NYC bias and how he wants to lynch people graham4anything Apr 2013 #41
that isn't racism datasuspect Apr 2013 #42
Racist are the words he describes our President with. Another birther republican graham4anything Apr 2013 #44
we're talking about the content of his song datasuspect Apr 2013 #45
Hankie is Zimmerman. Looking to string someone up like Zimmy did. graham4anything Apr 2013 #46
You're right. They meant well. HappyMe Apr 2013 #9
Do rags and gold chains? EC Apr 2013 #10
Bad music, bad lyrics, bad idea, bad everything Z_I_Peevey Apr 2013 #13
Needs more theology and geometry... callous taoboy Apr 2013 #14
I wish I'd never read this frazzled Apr 2013 #15
OK, I just threw up in my mouth a little. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #16
Poorly worded attempt at "Let's all just get along and accept each other." dawg Apr 2013 #17
Isn't LL Cool J a Republican? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #19
He's nonpartisan. And Paisley supported Obama and even performed this year at the pre inauguration! alp227 Apr 2013 #49
Dear Mr. Cool - slavery and personal decoration choices are NOT EQUIVALENT. nt msongs Apr 2013 #20
Idiot. Iggo Apr 2013 #21
Talking about it right now on NPR's Talk of the Nation. a kennedy Apr 2013 #22
Another dumbass yay-hoo Lex Apr 2013 #24
Not getting your knickers in a twist over the wardrobe choices of others is not a bad message. MissMarple Apr 2013 #25
Good post. +1. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2013 #38
Thank you, so very much. MissMarple Apr 2013 #40
How are do-rags and the Confederate flag equivalent? Hissyspit Apr 2013 #26
not Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #33
Could explain why he brought Hank Jr. on stage for a standing ovation. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #27
good question Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #58
I knew I didn't like Paisley. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #31
I've always hated that lame excuse for flying the slavery flag: "Ah'm kinda a rebel!" Aristus Apr 2013 #32
I kept hearing the state's rights argument exboyfil Apr 2013 #37
It shouldn't go over well with them. Aristus Apr 2013 #39
5 years of Jeff Davis exboyfil Apr 2013 #43
How about someone wearing a t-shirt exboyfil Apr 2013 #36
Brad Paisley has been on Prairie Home Companion a few times as well as the White House coldmountain Apr 2013 #48
I pretty much writeoff anyone who promotes that flag or a swastika. Hoyt Apr 2013 #51
Me as well. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #54
I usually expect this sort of ignorance from the Tea Party. Socal31 Apr 2013 #55
I think it shows immaturity, disregard for people, ignorance, and often outright hatred/bigotry. Hoyt Apr 2013 #56
Eh it's a living olddots Apr 2013 #52
Here's a song explaining why you really wear it, Brad: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #57

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
8. He ought to stick to guitar-playing.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013

Because he sure as hell isn't much of a social commentator. LL Cool J didn't exactly cover himself in glory here, either.....

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
59. You Paisley apologists need to read The Rude Pundit's take on this song.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:49 PM
Apr 2013

Pull it up on Google if you don't have his site bookmarked already. I think it may be the best column that The Rudes-ter has done, to date. Racism is racism, and there's no excusing it. If you display a confederate flag, you're commemorating a horrific war, fought because part of this country wanted to retain black people as personal property. End of debate.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
23. Paisley's Heart is in Right Place
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:40 PM
Apr 2013

Long time lurker on here but I decided to join DU to respond any criticism directed at Brad Paisley from people who don't care or know too much about country music. He is trying to make positive social commentary about racism in the South in several of his songs. The exact name of the song eludes me right now but he recently had a song about the "Southland" and the many themes that in his mind made it great. Prominently included among the things that made it great was Rosa Parks sitting in the front of that Bus and the Dream of Martin Luther King. In Country music-that's a positive statement. He's not my favorite artist but I think his heart is clearly in the right place.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
34. The Song I was Thinking about was "Welcome to the Future"
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:10 PM
Apr 2013

Here are the pertinent lyrics which he wrote in response to the election of President Obama-(significant in itself for a Country artist):


I had a friend in school

Running back on a football team

They burned a cross in his front yard

For asking out the home coming queen


I thought about him today

And everybody who's seen what he's seen

From a woman on a bus

To a man with a dream


Hey, wake up Martin Luther

Welcome to the future

Hey, glory, glory, hallelujah

Welcome to the future

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
30. Talented?
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:04 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Tue Apr 9, 2013, 07:00 PM - Edit history (2)

hmmm...opinions will vary...



NOTE - this post would have been very different had I originally added the link above, as was always intended...
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
6. I like this ironic song. What sucked was Hank Jr's racist "A country boy can survive" in the70s
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

Thank God that Hank Jr.s career as a hitmaker is long over.
Now if we can only get rid of Quentin Tarentino making billions on pretending to be satire on some of the vilest most racist stuff Hollywood ever produced. (Yeah, sure, Hitler died in a fire in a theatre QT).

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
12. QT will probably back both nominees to then say he backed the winner
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:03 PM
Apr 2013

QT loves to make money over both sides and as much as possible, then stretch out another dollar or two.
He out Lucas's Lucas in his shameless self-promotion.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
18. LOL
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:01 PM
Apr 2013
(Yeah, sure, Hitler died in a fire in a theatre QT)

Seriously, you are the most entertaining poster here....I just don't know if it's intentional or not.
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
41. Hank Williams Jr. disrespecting NYC bias and how he wants to lynch people
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:23 PM
Apr 2013

then of course, Hankybaby took big money from NYC tv, the freakin' hypocrite he is.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
42. that isn't racism
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:25 PM
Apr 2013

he wanted to spit beechnut in the city slicker's eye (the one who killed his NYC buddy).

how is that racist?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
44. Racist are the words he describes our President with. Another birther republican
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:30 PM
Apr 2013

and as everyone knows, the only reason anyone don't like President Obama is exactly what Frank Rich said it was in the early days of the first term.
And Frank Rich was 100% correct.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
45. we're talking about the content of his song
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:36 PM
Apr 2013

not his comments regarding the president. please stay on topic and convince me that "A Country Boy Can Survive" is a racist song.

you said, now back it up.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
46. Hankie is Zimmerman. Looking to string someone up like Zimmy did.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:50 PM
Apr 2013

Except that Zimmy did it to a 100% innocent person just to watch him die like in the Johnny Cash gangsta rap song Johnny sung in character called "Folsom Prison Blues"

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
9. You're right. They meant well.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:56 PM
Apr 2013

I would imagine it's not easy trying to combine LL and Paisley into one song.

Z_I_Peevey

(2,783 posts)
13. Bad music, bad lyrics, bad idea, bad everything
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:09 PM
Apr 2013

I have heard certain right wingers tell Native Americans "You lost, get over it."

I think it is time white southerners started hearing the same message.

This song is White-Privilege-in-a-Can.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
15. I wish I'd never read this
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:23 PM
Apr 2013

Otherwise, I would never know of this failed, pathetic song. I blame LL CoolJ as much as Brad Paisley. Accepting one's jewelry style is tit for tat for accepting the enslavement of a people? A truly misbegotten effort, even if the intentions weren't bad.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
17. Poorly worded attempt at "Let's all just get along and accept each other."
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:39 PM
Apr 2013

From what I know about Paisley, I think he had the best of intentions with this song.

alp227

(32,016 posts)
49. He's nonpartisan. And Paisley supported Obama and even performed this year at the pre inauguration!
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:00 AM
Apr 2013
In 2002, LL Cool J supported Republican Governor of New York George Pataki's bid for a third term.[19] In 2003, LL Cool J appeared before a senate committee hearing on P2P file-sharing, voicing his support alongside the RIAA, expressing that he just wished "music could be downloaded legitimately."[20] He has also voiced his support for New York State Senator Malcolm Smith, a Democrat, during an appearance on the senator's local television show[21] and has worked with Smith in putting on the annual Jump and Ball Tournament (since 2003) in the rapper's childhood neighborhood of St. Alban's, Queens.[22] In a February 10, 2012 televised interview with CNN host Piers Morgan, LL Cool J expressed sympathy for President Barack Obama and ascribed negative impressions of his leadership to Republican obstruction designed to "make it look like you have a coordination problem." He was quick to add that no one "should assume that I'm a Democrat either. I'm an Independent, you know?"[23]
(Wikipedia)

And Paisley performed at the pre-inauguration festivities this year and supported Obama in 2008 too. See this profile in The Guardian (UK).

Lex

(34,108 posts)
24. Another dumbass yay-hoo
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:41 PM
Apr 2013

trying to express himself, and it went as well as could be expected. Which is to say, badly.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
25. Not getting your knickers in a twist over the wardrobe choices of others is not a bad message.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:51 PM
Apr 2013

Life is complicated enough as it it. The song just might reach some people who could benefit from hearing it. Having tolerance and acceptance of people who are culturally very different is hard enough for so many people to embrace, without a demand for ideological purity.

To be able to talk to each other without it becoming a fight, or worse, is sometimes called a good start for building something better.

This is better than this

Buffalo Bull

(138 posts)
33. not
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:10 PM
Apr 2013


One represents a threat thaat is largely parionod
The other represents a slavery and a divided nation
no

Buffalo Bull

(138 posts)
58. good question
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 09:19 AM
Apr 2013

Having Hank Jr. on your stage is an indictment.
He is just too notorious, you can't claim not to know what kind of scum that guy is. Nor claim that bringing him on stage is not a mark of tolerating or agreeing.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
32. I've always hated that lame excuse for flying the slavery flag: "Ah'm kinda a rebel!"
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:09 PM
Apr 2013

Something wrong with the American flag, loser?

At least that was a successful rebellion.

Fuck.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
37. I kept hearing the state's rights argument
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:14 PM
Apr 2013

when I lived in Tennesse, and I always came back with "Yes, the right to own another person." That did not go over well.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
39. It shouldn't go over well with them.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:19 PM
Apr 2013

The Confederate Constitution was identical to the Federal Constitution with only two exceptions:

1. The President of the Confederacy was to serve a single, 5-year term.

2. The specific provision for slavery.

Everything else was the same, down to the wording of the Articles. Including the ones that begin, "No state shall, without permission of Congress..."

So much for "states rights". I'm pretty sure the confederates were not fighting on the battlefield for the right of the Confederate President to serve one 5-year term.

"Rebels" are idiots...

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
43. 5 years of Jeff Davis
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:29 PM
Apr 2013

vs. 8+ years with Abe Lincoln. It is funny how Davis had the resume to be President (would have been one of the more qualified Presidents if he had run in 1860 and been elected vs. the one term Rep. from Illinois). It shows that resumes are not everything. In spite of the many mistakes he made, Lincoln was a better administrator and leader than Davis. He also had a more humane moral compass (recognizing that slavery was evil).

Slavery turned many good men into evil men. You just can't look at Washington, Jefferson, Madison, or Lee without making that judgement.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
36. How about someone wearing a t-shirt
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:12 PM
Apr 2013

with a hand holding a bloody box cutter as a jet hits the second tower with the message, "A strike for freedom" - seems equivalent to a Confederate flag to me.

 

coldmountain

(802 posts)
48. Brad Paisley has been on Prairie Home Companion a few times as well as the White House
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:24 PM
Apr 2013

He's clearly trying to reach out by setting an example to other white Southerners to try life outside their "Southern Comfort Zone". The song is aimed at whites to try to grow.

Brad's doing better than Emory's president

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
55. I usually expect this sort of ignorance from the Tea Party.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 05:13 AM
Apr 2013

Context is absolutely everything.

If you think Hitler designed the Swastika or every Southern teenager with a dumb confederate flag on their truck wants to enslave blacks, you are as ignorant as someone who assumes a young black male with saggy pants wants to rob them.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
56. I think it shows immaturity, disregard for people, ignorance, and often outright hatred/bigotry.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 08:30 AM
Apr 2013

I won't make excuses for anyone who flies that flag, or sports a swastika.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
52. Eh it's a living
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 02:20 AM
Apr 2013
why do we have this idea that our most important right in America is the right to be ignorant ?
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