Two Catholic Leaders Advise Denying Communion to Marriage Equality Supporters

[William769]

The archbishop of Detroit, as well as a professor and legal adviser to the Vatican, are urging Communion be denied to those in support of marriage equality.

Communion, the weekly sacrament performed by Catholics, is a key part of Catholic identity. But Allen Vigneron, the archbishop of Detroit, and Edward Peters, a professor of Catholic canon law at Detroit's Sacred Heart Major Seminar, want to deny Catholics the tradition if they support gay marriage, which the Vatican opposes. Those who promote same-sex marriage "risk having holy Communion withheld from them ... being rebuked and/or being sanctioned," Peters said in a recent blog post. Peters previously said California Rep. Nancy Pelosi and New York governor Andrew Cuomo, both Catholics who support marriage equality, should be denied Communion.

As an attorney, Peters was appointed by Pope Benedict XVI in 2010 to help advise the top judicial authority in the Catholic Church.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2013/04/08/two-catholic-leaders-advise-denying-communion-marriage-equality

[redwitch]

1. The line will be shorter that's for sure. nt

[Drale]

2. This is not 1520 guys

people no longer believe in transubstantiation and hence won't fall about because they believe they will be sent to hell for not taking communion. Are these guys taking a class, how to run off the rest of your followers? Because both the Church leadership and the Repukes seem to be aiming for the same goal of complete destruction of their organizations.

[William769]

4. +1.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. Not so sure I read each day on DU posts adoring Francis, some which openly say they accept his

homophobia and they love him, just love him. So we shall see.

[MineralMan]

15. Actually, some folks do believe in transubstantiation.

Believe it or not.

[GiveMeFreedom]

3. More religious psychological terrorism.

Amazing. Peace.

[Zen Democrat]

5. Well that's a quick way to make the Church totally obsolete and irrelevant.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Well, that's one way to cut the cost of crackers and wine.

[spanone]

7. still living in some past century

[Marrah_G]

8. Are they going to interrogate each person as they go up for communion?

....idiots.

[rurallib]

10. maybe supporters should wear a scarlet 'G' on their forehead

[geek tragedy]

11. Are we still allowed to point this crap out without

being accused of "anti-Catholic bigotry?"

[William769]

12. Just the facts.

If they want to call this "anti-Catholic bigotry", I'll come right back at them about the bigotry towards the LGBT community on marriage equality.

I'm ready to rumble.

[geek tragedy]

13. Amen. nt

[Arugula Latte]

28. How dare you be intolerant of the Church's intolerance!

Jeez, the nerve, you religious bigot, you!

[MineralMan]

14. Well, there's always wine and crackers over at my place.

They're welcome to drop by anytime. I'm no magician, though, so I can't turn them into anything but wine and crackers, but they're good crackers. I might even be able to scare up some aged cheddar to go with them.

[William769]

17. I hope they are town house crackers.

Got to keep the elves in business.

[MineralMan]

18. I have an assortment of different crackers.

I think there's a box of those Town House crackers. I also have some Carr's Table Water biscuits, which closely resemble a communion wafer, but taste better with a bit of Gorgonzola on them. There are Triscuits and a number of others, too. I'm sure you'll find something you like. C'mon by. I have a great selection of wines, too, and will open anything for guests.

[Auntie Bush]

33. Expect me about 8:00 AM

Opps...I mean PM. Scared ya?

[yellowcanine]

16. "logically bring shame for a double-dealing that is not unlike perjury."

Good description the bishops' cover up of the priest pedophile scandal.

[cbdo2007]

19. Good thing they don't do this for lying, lust, infedility, stealing....etc. or the church would be

empty.

All of these people should just switch to Episcopalian. They're a lot more tolerant of people and their different viewpoints.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. the catholic church's opinion on human rights is a fucking joke

like really, who possibly takes their opinion seriously?

[xchrom]

21. they should be ashamed at even suggesting denying a place at god's table to any one. nt

[William769]

23. +1

[rhett o rick]

22. I agree with them and think it should be extended to all those that use birth control.

In my biased opinion this is a blessing in disguise (no pun intended). The Catholic Church is the wrong church for people that support gay marriage. I am not suggesting they give up their belief in God or Jesus, just do their worshiping in another, friendlier church.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

24. Not again!

Hitting the little "X" next to this thread.

[William769]

25. I'm sorry we are an inconvenience to you.

NOT!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

26. It starts the same way every time.

Starts with a recent story and then dog pile on the Catholics.

I am sick of people using religion as a way to divide the party!

[William769]

27. And I'm sick of Religion tearing apart the Country.

The ball's in your court.

P.S. BTW I am a Christian, and the GOD I know & love is crying over what some in Religion are doing in his name.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

31. And I am sick of people tearing into others for their beliefs.

The one thing we fight for all the time is to allow people to be, to live how they want. Yet many enjoy doing to other, in another direction what we fight against.

When you go belittling people for their beliefs, one is no different from the ones they fight.

Not only that, people that use religion to divide the Party is just helping the other side.

BYE!

[William769]

32. What a FUCKING JOKE!

"The one thing we fight for all the time is to allow people to be, to live how they want."

So that means you agree with the OP then. GREAT!

[Arugula Latte]

29. And we are sick of people using religion to trample the rights of others.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

34. If people can not see how trashing Catholic Democrats is wrong..

Then I am so happy I thrashed this thread.

Now just need to find a way to block it from my posts!

[Arugula Latte]

37. How does this thread trash Catholic Democrats?

Are you saying nobody is supposed to comment on the Church's anti-gay activities at all?

[Occulus]

44. Oh, take your sanctimonious bigotry and shove it up your ass.

You're a real fucking piece of work, you know that?

Who the FUCK do you think you are?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. aww

[justiceischeap]

30. One, how are they going to ascertain who is and isn't a supporter

without asking... they then force those that are concerned over their souls and equality to lie so they can receive communion. Secondly, do Catholics get to ask if the priest giving communion has ever molested or knowingly supported another priest who molested a child?

I mean, if we're going to put a tally on sins, I think molestation trumps homosexuality any day of the week (if you believe homosexuality is a sin, which I don't but raping children certainly should be, though I've read in the Bible it really isn't).

[LeftInTX]

35. That's really messed up and kinda goes against church teachings

OK in the church it is a sin to have sex without marriage. But the church still gives communion to teen moms. What's the diff?

Also, what happens to a Catholic family when they have a child who is LGBT? The parents aren't LGBT, but end up supporting their children. This will drive a wedge in Catholic families which is wrong. So the parents won't receive communion because they support their child? That is not right.

Or what about the parents of teen moms, should they no longer be offered communion because they are helping their daughter raise a child?
For parents of LGBT this is a similar type situation.

Yet, when a teen mom has a baby, the church is there to support the grandparents and the teen mom.

(I live in an area with a very high teen pregnancy rate.)

Good Gawd. This is wrong and goes against free speech.

[William769]

36. You make some great points.

Unfortunately one person in this thread can't see the forest because of the tree's and think it's bashing that we dare to bring this up. They fail to realize if it wasn't happening, we would not have to bring this up.

Thanks for a very thoughtful post.

[LeftInTX]

38. .....

[lame54]

39. I advise not being catholic

[William769]

41. Kicking for the evening crowd.

[dembotoz]

42. once again happy to be a prot

[LiberalFighter]

43. I hope this will be the hot iron that ticks off Catholics to leave the church.

They should be following the teachings of Jesus not Paul.

[edbermac]

45. "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink."

"I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."