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blm

(112,920 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:01 AM Apr 2013

Please read report of 2 kids dead in NC at dad's construction site and tell me what you think

this father was building. The reporter here seems reluctant to say, but, it certainly sounds to me like this father was constructing a doomsday shelter. This anti-government obsession being promoted in the GOP is also fueling the gun debate with RWers being told they need military weapons to 'protect' their families and then the weapons end up being used against those families either accidentally or otherwise.

I could be wrong, of course, but, given our political environment I don't think so.

>>>
Lincoln County Sheriff David Carpenter said the two children, whose names have not been released, apparently were playing in the hole late Sunday afternoon while the 7-year-old boy’s father operated a backhoe nearby. The first 911 call came at 5:07 p.m. from a man identified as Jordan Caldwell, who authorities said Monday morning was the boy’s father.

“The children were in a dug-out portion of the area,” Carpenter said.

Initial reports said the excavated area was to be the basement of a house under construction, but authorities said Monday morning they were not sure exactly what was planned for the site. They said it measured 20 by 24 feet and was 24 feet deep. The two children were at the bottom of the hole, near a wall that collapsed. >>>

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04/08/3967795/two-children-killed-at-east-lincoln.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

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Please read report of 2 kids dead in NC at dad's construction site and tell me what you think (Original Post) blm Apr 2013 OP
really could have been anything Marrah_G Apr 2013 #1
24 feet deep for a pool sounds unlikely. blm Apr 2013 #3
I guess my point is that we just don't know what it is Marrah_G Apr 2013 #5
Of course, you're right we don't know, but, this doomsday prep stuff has wide appeal blm Apr 2013 #12
A pool 24 feet deep? Kinda doubt it. marions ghost Apr 2013 #6
Take a look: Mira Apr 2013 #63
The story gives me pause as well. eom. Raine1967 Apr 2013 #65
24 feet is too deep for a basement, bunker, pool, or septic tank. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #2
Agree marions ghost Apr 2013 #8
Update: No permits filed. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #25
That doesn't surprise me marions ghost Apr 2013 #31
Sheesh - apparently someone being so anti-government he won't file construction permits blm Apr 2013 #36
No problem with it as marions ghost Apr 2013 #46
If you get permits, then the government would know where to come and get you... NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #45
I've read this kind of stuff on survivalist blogs. Supposed to have a concealed entrance and no one freshwest Apr 2013 #55
Cable TV has tons of shows about this these past three years or so. I don't get it. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Apr 2013 #57
That's a fact, freshwest! NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #67
EXACTLY RIGHT! And this is what makes it especially relevant to this forum. blm Apr 2013 #60
My first thought was "Anything that big should involve construction permits" JVS Apr 2013 #4
not just construction permits waddirum Apr 2013 #7
Yes - aren't construction permits supposed to be onsite and VISIBLE? blm Apr 2013 #9
Depends on the state, county and city. Most don't require that. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #37
Too deep for a basement or foundation for a house. appleannie1 Apr 2013 #10
Creepy. HappyMe Apr 2013 #11
Before excavating, he would have filed a Building permit Sheepshank Apr 2013 #13
I dunno what he was building, but don't let kids MineralMan Apr 2013 #14
I think it's pretty effing stupid to blame the GOP. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #15
Well, gee, DT, why not when they've spent the last 3 decades promoting anti-government blm Apr 2013 #16
So...a guy digs a hole, kids die, and it's the GOP's fault? Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #17
I said it sounds to ME that father was building a 'doomsday' shelter. blm Apr 2013 #18
Any hole dug is now dug by a doomsday prepper? Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #19
It was just speculation. Don't get your undies all wadded up. Lex Apr 2013 #20
24 feet holes being dug by an individual are commonplace in your world, DT? blm Apr 2013 #21
I guess I usually look for more convincing evidence than you do. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #23
Neither do I. You just need to claim otherwise to pretend your reply was valid. blm Apr 2013 #27
Actually the neighbor started the speculation on this. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #30
Thank you. I know my spidey sense reacted instantly before I even finished the article blm Apr 2013 #39
Lot's of non-GOP supporters are preppers these days NickB79 Apr 2013 #43
and it could also be a pot farm...I know....and THAT is why I asked blm Apr 2013 #54
Well, their anti-government propaganda means the guy probably didn't get a permit jeff47 Apr 2013 #40
Thanks...hard to imagine some people can't see such an obvious connection blm Apr 2013 #51
and....accidents happen. spanone Apr 2013 #22
It doesn't matter what it was for. It's totally irrelevant what he was building. duh. cali Apr 2013 #24
No sh!t, cali - But it was a 24 ft hole being dug by an individual for a personal construction blm Apr 2013 #26
Of COURSE it matters. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #64
Based on neighbor I am guessing prepper building a survival bunker. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #28
And THIS is why my I posted. It's relevant to everything we discuss here at DU. blm Apr 2013 #32
No permits, allowing kids to play in a dangerous excavation, etc. is consistent with yellowcanine Apr 2013 #35
Exactly right...and targeting someone for showing basic comprehension of a blm Apr 2013 #48
Doesn't matter he was digging. Why were the kids playing in the hole? hobbit709 Apr 2013 #29
He wouldn't have BEEN digging a 24 ft hole alone if he wasn't paranoid blm Apr 2013 #34
Not as far as the kids go. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #38
Of course it's awful about the kids, but, they'd be alive today if blm Apr 2013 #49
You don't know what he was paranoid about NickB79 Apr 2013 #44
Given the political environment I had every right to make the statements I made because blm Apr 2013 #47
You can't dig huge dangerous holes for any purpose marions ghost Apr 2013 #42
Now THAT is an appropriate reply to the original post's speculation. blm Apr 2013 #53
exactly. This was a tragic accident. Liberal_in_LA Apr 2013 #70
A cubic yard of soil will weigh more than 2,000 lbs. bluedigger Apr 2013 #33
I knew nothing about building treestar Apr 2013 #41
Perhaps a typo? 20 x 14 maybe SoCalDem Apr 2013 #50
that's pretty damn deep onethatcares Apr 2013 #52
Arwood told her that her ....it was going to be a bunker SpartanDem Apr 2013 #58
Sadly, this exact same scenario is playing out all over the country thanks to blm Apr 2013 #59
Was he building an underground nursery for his 'plants'? malaise Apr 2013 #61
I think such speculation is pointless and childish and makes DU look BAD. CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #62
. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #66
LOL. The "speculator" was probably correct. Lex Apr 2013 #68
My instincts and comprehension skills trump your assumption of bigotry. blm Apr 2013 #69

blm

(112,920 posts)
12. Of course, you're right we don't know, but, this doomsday prep stuff has wide appeal
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:43 PM
Apr 2013

and has been promoted through corporate media programming specifically to increase the number of anti-government voters.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
6. A pool 24 feet deep? Kinda doubt it.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

Overkill for a tornado shelter. The bunker thing seems plausible.

I guess the father feels bad about digging the kids' tomb, but it's hard to be sympathetic to someone who wouldn't know that kids were around or down in the hole.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. 24 feet is too deep for a basement, bunker, pool, or septic tank.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:08 AM
Apr 2013

and for a 20 x 24 excavation, 24 feet is an unsafe depth to dig without shoring and bracing, even in that nice red soil.

There's no telling why he was digging a hole of those dimensions.

Sad for all involved.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
25. Update: No permits filed.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:06 PM
Apr 2013

Additional speculation about a protective bunker.

My guess: a double basement, a two-story deep excavation.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
31. That doesn't surprise me
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:29 PM
Apr 2013

probably couldn't get a permit for it even if he did try.

yeah seems like a two story bunker. That was some hole in the backyard!

Wonder if the neighbors knew what he was up to...

blm

(112,920 posts)
36. Sheesh - apparently someone being so anti-government he won't file construction permits
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

for his 24 ft deep bunker is not supposed to be relevant on a political board.

Duh! (they say)

; )

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
45. If you get permits, then the government would know where to come and get you...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:57 PM
Apr 2013

...and your family.

What's left of it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
55. I've read this kind of stuff on survivalist blogs. Supposed to have a concealed entrance and no one
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:45 PM
Apr 2013

from the construction firms are going to tell anyone where it is. Some peeps put many thousands of dollars into these things, it's an industry.



Preparing for the World's End, Just in Case

Atlas Survival Shelters sells underground bunkers made out of corrugated pipe. Described as 'bigger than a New York apartment,' the bunkers cost $50,000 to $120,000 and can withstand a nuclear bomb...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324296604578179480178344200.html

Just one of many. Read the whole piece, it's big business. Possibly he was getting ready for one of these to be installed, they are brought out on flat bed trucks and lowered in place.



People with money get fancier ones:



http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-profit-mayan-apocalypse-2011-5%3Fop%3D1&usg=__cVrUZvTWyV4iGtfHXZd8HeNQ0XU=&h=300&w=400&sz=51&hl=en&start=15&zoom=1&tbnid=D_ROobD_pgRWrM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&ei=RmFjUbDmH8K0iwKXhoHgDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dunderground%2Bliving%2Bsurvivalist%2Bshelves%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CEgQrQMwDg

Not unlike storm cellars. Here's a home made version, he may have been building one of these:



http://www.survivalcenter.com/budgetundergroundshelter.html

I've seen a lot of pictures of these with all kinds of plans. The biggest problem with this is that they don't really comprehend that they are creating their reality to fail as they cut people off. In a major catastrophe this might help for a while. It's the newest version of a back to the land movement with a twist.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
56. Cable TV has tons of shows about this these past three years or so. I don't get it.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:52 PM
Apr 2013

I watch the shows like I watch a train wreck.

And, I'll bet that the more well-equipped units come with a suicide device, a family-kill feature, in case it's "all over".

I feel that it's fed by our having a black man in the whitehouse, none of the preppers I see are minority or mixed-race, none are black.

They claim to fear tsunami's or nuclear attacks, but the details are always about the hoards of citizens that would come after them.

They are afraid of other people, they are xenophobic, they are fucking nuts.

Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #56)

blm

(112,920 posts)
60. EXACTLY RIGHT! And this is what makes it especially relevant to this forum.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:14 AM
Apr 2013

Fer chrissakes, how can some DUers be so blind to this?

JVS

(61,935 posts)
4. My first thought was "Anything that big should involve construction permits"
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

The I read "Burleson said the sheriff’s office will handle the investigation into exactly what happened. That will include determining if there were proper permits for work at the site, he said Monday morning." So I guess we wait to see if there were permits and then we can see if they tell us what he was doing.

No matter what it was, kids shouldn't play near construction sites.

waddirum

(976 posts)
7. not just construction permits
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

but also clearance from utilities like gas, electric, phone, cable, etc. that may have buried lines in proximity to the excavation.

He potentially put the entire neighborhood at risk if he severed a natural gas line.

blm

(112,920 posts)
9. Yes - aren't construction permits supposed to be onsite and VISIBLE?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

If there was a permit it would seem the reporter and officials would have had plenty of time to note their existence. It's likely they already know, but, out of respect for the family's grief, they would for now (understandably) with-hold that part of the story.

If there is no permit one could surmise that it wasn't obtained because of the RW's exaggerated mistrust of government, as well.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
13. Before excavating, he would have filed a Building permit
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:16 PM
Apr 2013

Zoning, distance requirements, set backs etc would have all been on record if it were a for a house....even one he was building for himself.

I don't think this was for a house.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
14. I dunno what he was building, but don't let kids
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:26 PM
Apr 2013

go down in deep un-reinforced holes in the ground. That's just freaking stupid.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
15. I think it's pretty effing stupid to blame the GOP.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:27 PM
Apr 2013

Especially when stupidity fits the data much better.

blm

(112,920 posts)
16. Well, gee, DT, why not when they've spent the last 3 decades promoting anti-government
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:41 PM
Apr 2013

views and using corporate media to do it? I think it's pretty effing stupid to ignore the role of GOP propaganda and RW media in this latest generation of anti-government extremism.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
17. So...a guy digs a hole, kids die, and it's the GOP's fault?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:49 PM
Apr 2013

What an interesting world yours must be.

blm

(112,920 posts)
18. I said it sounds to ME that father was building a 'doomsday' shelter.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

"The reporter here seems reluctant to say, but, it certainly sounds to me like this father was constructing a doomsday shelter. This anti-government obsession being promoted in the GOP is also fueling the gun debate with RWers being told they need military weapons to 'protect' their families and then the weapons end up being used against those families either accidentally or otherwise.

I could be wrong, of course, but, given our political environment I don't think so."

That YOU would avoid noticing doomsday preppers repeat the very anti-government rhetoric that has been ramped up by the GOP in the last few decades is 'interesting' to me, DT.

24 feet deep is a whole lot more than just a 'hole' and if it isn't in your world.....well....like I said.....that's an 'interesting' world YOU live in.

blm

(112,920 posts)
21. 24 feet holes being dug by an individual are commonplace in your world, DT?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:55 PM
Apr 2013

My, my... feeling a bit scratched today, DT?.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
23. I guess I usually look for more convincing evidence than you do.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:59 PM
Apr 2013

I don't live in the version of the universe where every action or occurrence can be traced back to the GOP.

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
30. Actually the neighbor started the speculation on this.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013
In an interview with The Associated Press, Carpenter later said deputies had not yet interviewed the family living in the home but planned to follow up on neighbors’ reports that the man was excavating the two-story pit to build some sort of a protective bunker.

“They were so distraught we hope to be able to talk to them today and come up with some information on that,” Carpenter said. “It’s a very large hole. It would look to be something like that, but I don’t know. … We’re going to find out exactly what his intentions were.”


Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/04/08/3967795/two-children-killed-at-east-lincoln.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy


Maybe you need to go a little easy on the outrage.

blm

(112,920 posts)
39. Thank you. I know my spidey sense reacted instantly before I even finished the article
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:43 PM
Apr 2013

yesterday. That's why I posted about it this morning.

NickB79

(19,114 posts)
43. Lot's of non-GOP supporters are preppers these days
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:54 PM
Apr 2013

If you've ever watched the series "Doomsday Preppers" on NatGeo, you'd see lots of people who are definitely NOT the typical anti-government/GOP/gun nut types. People who are prepping for fear of a nuclear reactor meltdown, or a solar flare, or global warming, or peak oil. I can recall one couple that were self-professed hippies, who fortified an old military silo and had an old-fashioned guitar circle sing-a-long with friends on film.

The average hardcore prepper is probably as you described (an anti-government nut), but there are enough who don't fall into that mold that I wouldn't jump to that conclusion without more evidence to support it.

blm

(112,920 posts)
54. and it could also be a pot farm...I know....and THAT is why I asked
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:14 PM
Apr 2013

how others would read the situation based on the report.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
40. Well, their anti-government propaganda means the guy probably didn't get a permit
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:44 PM
Apr 2013

That permit would have required proper shoring of the hole and on-site inspections, which probably would have prevented the collapse.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
24. It doesn't matter what it was for. It's totally irrelevant what he was building. duh.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:01 PM
Apr 2013

It's negligent to allow children anywhere near something like that construction site.

Trying to politicize this?

Sickening shit of the clueless variety.

blm

(112,920 posts)
26. No sh!t, cali - But it was a 24 ft hole being dug by an individual for a personal construction
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:18 PM
Apr 2013

project that so far, no permit has been produced - a person who would GET a construction permit probably would NOT have allowed kids anywhere near there, so it IS relevant.

Given the political environment we are now living through, it is completely plausible that he was building a bunker without a permit based on his anti-government fears. I am pretty sure that production companies filming 'Doomsday Preppers' have surveyed enough people to know there is a growing market in this area. Looking the other way is absurd.

Pretend away if it makes you feel better, cali.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,273 posts)
64. Of COURSE it matters.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:39 AM
Apr 2013

The same way we "politicize" criticism of idiots who leave guns laying around so they can "protect" their family.

It's negligent to allow children around any construction site, yes.

But a 24 foot hole is WAYYY beyond what some local yokel with a back-hoe should be working on. These "20 foot underground" kits are being marketed to the anti-government kooks as DIY projects.

You can ignore it if you want, but the instant I saw "24 foot hole" I knew what we were dealing with. I've read the sales brochures for the bunker kits.

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
28. Based on neighbor I am guessing prepper building a survival bunker.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:22 PM
Apr 2013

I have had a few interactions with preppers. They are not rational people. Tend to be very anti gov - that could explain the lack of permits. Also makes sense that preppers would not apply for permits because that would mean THEY know your plans. I feel sorry for the kids of preppers.

blm

(112,920 posts)
32. And THIS is why my I posted. It's relevant to everything we discuss here at DU.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:30 PM
Apr 2013

And, YES, I do blame overthetop anti-government rhetoric of the GOP and RW media.

So does Bob Dole and other rational Republicans from yesteryear.

"As Dole sat in his Washington law office in February, still stunned by the outcome, he blamed his own party and suggested a headline: “Republican Party closes its doors to make repairs.” The GOP, added Dole, one of the party’s most revered figures, “needs a timeout” to tone down the antigovernment rhetoric."

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
35. No permits, allowing kids to play in a dangerous excavation, etc. is consistent with
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:36 PM
Apr 2013

teabagger philosophy of "no one tells me what to do or how to raise my kids." So yes, it is relevant. And anyone who thinks prepping is not tied up with right wing tea bagger philosophy is whistling past the graveyard.

blm

(112,920 posts)
48. Exactly right...and targeting someone for showing basic comprehension of a
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:29 PM
Apr 2013

situation involving anti-government behavior is just a dumb show of potshots just for the sake of taking potshots.

blm

(112,920 posts)
34. He wouldn't have BEEN digging a 24 ft hole alone if he wasn't paranoid
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:34 PM
Apr 2013

about this government. it DOES matter.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
38. Not as far as the kids go.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:41 PM
Apr 2013

There's a simple solution for these doomsday types-wait until they're in their holes and padlock them from the outside.

blm

(112,920 posts)
49. Of course it's awful about the kids, but, they'd be alive today if
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:32 PM
Apr 2013

their father wasn't taken in by anti-government propaganda, and THAT was the point to my speculation in the first place.

NickB79

(19,114 posts)
44. You don't know what he was paranoid about
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:57 PM
Apr 2013

Like I said in a different post on this thread, there are lots of prepper types. Some are anti-government, some are prepping for global warming, some for a nuclear war, some for a reactor melt-down, some for a pandemic, some for peak oil, etc.

The anti-government types are probably the most common, but you can't make a blanket statement like you did without more evidence to support it since there are so many types of preppers.

blm

(112,920 posts)
47. Given the political environment I had every right to make the statements I made because
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:25 PM
Apr 2013

I specifically said that it was MY read of the situation based on what was reported. Now that it appears my comprehension skills are still dependable, some of you want to nitpick to make yourselves feel better, I guess. 'I guess" would be MY read of the thread situation. heheh

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
42. You can't dig huge dangerous holes for any purpose
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:48 PM
Apr 2013

without a permit. But maybe it was going to become his weed growing facilities?

--------------------

Later on Monday, sheriff's deputies removed firearms and the marijuana plant from the mobile home. The 31-year-old father is a felon who is not allowed to have guns. He was convicted in 2003 for possession of a controlled substance with intent to sell.

http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Crews-find-bodies-of-2-NC-children-trapped-in-dirt-4417381.php

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
33. A cubic yard of soil will weigh more than 2,000 lbs.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:30 PM
Apr 2013

OSHA excavation safety rules limit excavation walls to 5' in depth without sloping or shoring of some kind. Of course the father wasn't subject to OSHA regs, but anybody who operates a backhoe (more likely a trackhoe due to the depth of excavation) should be aware of them, and why they exist. Not much point in punishing the father, in this case. eta: They weren't both his kids, but cousins - I hope he is prosecuted...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. I knew nothing about building
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:47 PM
Apr 2013

But just learned some stuff from this thread. Hole is very deep, so something is dodgy.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
50. Perhaps a typo? 20 x 14 maybe
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:32 PM
Apr 2013

Split level homes could easily have a basement of that size. In splits, the garage is ground level, with basement under the living room/dining/kitchen...bedrooms are over the garage & often extend back some.

We had one of those in KS.

onethatcares

(16,133 posts)
52. that's pretty damn deep
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:41 PM
Apr 2013

he would have needed a heck of a ramp to get the backhoe out on a proper incline.

It's really sad that his kids died, I just couldn't imagine that. Even with the stupidity of doomsday prepping, my heart goes out.

Peace

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
58. Arwood told her that her ....it was going to be a bunker
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:28 AM
Apr 2013

Neighbor Bradley Jones, who works in construction, said there was no structure to support the pit’s tall dirt walls and that there was some concrete on a ledge on top of the hole.

In recent days, the hole was muddy from the rain. He said he warned his daughter, Chelsea, who babysits for the children, not to go in.

Chelsea said Arwood told her that he was building the structure to “protect his family” - it was going to be a bunker.
As the dispatcher began encouraging him — and with people wailing in the background — Arwood began praying.
..
Later on Monday, sheriff’s deputies removed firearms and a marijuana plant from Arwood’s mobile home. Arwood is a felon who is not allowed to have guns. He was convicted in 2003 for possession of a controlled substance with intent to sell.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/television-reports-2-children-trapped-under-home-in-lincoln-county-details-scarce/2013/04/07/fb619cfe-9fec-11e2-bd52-614156372695_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop

blm

(112,920 posts)
59. Sadly, this exact same scenario is playing out all over the country thanks to
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:13 AM
Apr 2013

RW (GOP) propaganda, hopefully, minus the deaths of children and family members of these RW media victims.

malaise

(267,845 posts)
61. Was he building an underground nursery for his 'plants'?
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:17 AM
Apr 2013

or just another prepper.
Ignorance will kill you and yours. I'd have been afraid to have kids playing near digging equipment let alone a massive wall.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
62. I think such speculation is pointless and childish and makes DU look BAD.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:18 AM
Apr 2013

You asked what we think so please do not tell me to unwad my panties or some such garbage.

To make such a groundless leap of logic as hole equals doomsday shelter would be laughable if it were not so obviously based in bigotry and bias.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,273 posts)
66. .
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:11 AM
Apr 2013
Chelsea said Arwood told her that he was building the structure to “protect his family” - it was going to be a bunker.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
68. LOL. The "speculator" was probably correct.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:55 AM
Apr 2013

Besides, 75% of DU is comprised of speculating and theorizing about one thing or another.

The sheriff would not say what Arwood was building or whether he had any professional help. He did say that investigators would be looking into reports from neighbors that Arwood had been building some sort of protective bunker.


http://www.wral.com/investigation-after-2-children-die-in-nc-collapse/12319479/

blm

(112,920 posts)
69. My instincts and comprehension skills trump your assumption of bigotry.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:45 PM
Apr 2013

YOU make a "groundless leap of logic" when you assumed my post was based in bigotry and not based on the information that was gleaned in the article.

It's easy to call it just a 'hole' and if it were just a 'hole' I wouldn't have felt there was something more to the story. But, it wasn't just a 'hole' at 24 feet deep now, is it? Especially when anyone can turn on any of these reality networks and see what many people across the country have been doing to prepare for doomsday scenarios, especially amongst the anti-government crowds.

YOU 'think' based on the information in the article that my view was 'pointless', 'childish', 'groundless', and yet it turned out to be correct. So, basically, you have it figured out that your ability to assume is superior to my ability to comprehend.

heheheh

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