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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMargaret Thatcher is dead
Now let's bury their neo-liberal New World Order.
No tears here.
Yes, that NWO needs to go.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)I thought I'd be the first one to post it. Finally came true!
Morrissey, "Margaret On the Guillotine"
malaise
(268,724 posts)progressoid
(49,952 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)Especially not by teachers, nurses, miners etc. etc.
malaise
(268,724 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Is that it was from Natural causes, and not by an executioner's blade.
FSogol
(45,456 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)cost it what it will...'
Fuck Margaret Thatcher - She and the other scumbag have destroyed more lives with their neo-liberal rape of humanity that I will celebrate her departure and replace that champagne I was saving for Cheney.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)malthaussen
(17,175 posts)I''ll just sit next to Alice Roosevelt Longworth.
-- Mal
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)when one had to pretend the neighbor wasn't boinking his kid.
I like, truth will set you free, much more
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)But after learning more today, I'll just say it's unfortunate that people do not leave behind a legacy that can be respected.
Thoughts for her family.
malaise
(268,724 posts)The son who was involved in a coup in Africa and escaped because he was a Thatcher.
Fuck the entire bunch of them.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Or distant cousin.
Probably just waiting on the will to be read, though.
malaise
(268,724 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)but they have to be destroyed
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Which lyrics?
God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb
God save the queen
She ain't no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming
Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future, no future,
No future for you
God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves
God save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems
Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paid
When there's no future
How can there be sin?
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your future
God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves
God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreaming
No future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future,
No future for me
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)thatgemguy
(506 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I hope they have marshmallows.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Wouldn't that be great, strikes causing the worst RWers in the world to fall over dead.
Oh god, I know I will probably see Thatcher in hell for this but LOLOLOL
malaise
(268,724 posts)mountain grammy
(26,600 posts)If only we could bring them all down with a strike. I'm retired, but I'll put on my union shirt and grab my sign and walk that line.
malaise
(268,724 posts)Under pressure from an ideological spawn - Cameron??
mountain grammy
(26,600 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I don't think even Ray-gun managed that.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Good riddance.
I understand the folks here who, for spiritual/religious/etc principle or whatever don't like all this so-called 'grave dancing', express empathy to her family and such, but to them I say, hide the threads that piss you off. Let the rest of us vent.
What I will NEVER understand are those here who are acting like there was something redeeming about her political legacy. I mean
She was a RW asshole. The fewer Thatcher-types in the world the better. And maybe someday we have a system where people like that cannot reach power.
malaise
(268,724 posts)We need more truth on this planet. She destroyed more lives and more economies than I can count.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)have a dance party on her grave, but HuffPo U.K's censors are working overtime to put the kibosh on the festivities
Still, the Brit's humor shine through
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Since they can't squelch the well-earned hatred that Brits have for her, now they're whining about grave-dancing being inappropriate.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)to read the Brits' comments. That's why I hate the censorship on that site. (here too )
One just posted.."According to the Guardian, street parties have broken out in Brixton and Glasgow"
And this is just so sad..."I just read it in the Guardian online, Planet Earth. Expect more street parties in Durham, Liverpool, parts off Wales, etc. I worked in Mansfield, Notts, where generations of kids were left without parental occupation, income or any hope. Crime was rife, as was alcoholism, drug abuse and mental illness. All thanks to Maggie"
polly7
(20,582 posts)Two out of three ain't bad.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)So I'll say nothing.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts).......She's dead? Good!!!!!
redqueen
(115,103 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,776 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)Tram The Dirt Down.
Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord
your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms
and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life
could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the
dirt down
mountain grammy
(26,600 posts)The Iron Bitch, oops Lady, is dead!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)How many people did she order killed without trial?
Not a huge fan, but she doesn't look so bad these days.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Really? LOL.
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CreekDog
(46,192 posts)By Toby Harnden in Washington12:01AM GMT 11 Dec 2002
Lady Thatcher has used a speech to American conservatives to praise Tony Blair for his backing of President Bush over the need to disarm Saddam's Iraq.
The former Prime Minister said she was "proud that Britain stands where we all must stand - as America's surest and staunchest ally".
...
But Lady Thatcher struck a different tone from that of Mr Blair, who has repeatedly stressed the importance of the United Nations and collective action.
"Only America has the reach and means to deal with Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein or the other wicked psychopaths who will sooner or later step into their shoes," she said.
...
Lady Thatcher argued strongly that both Saddam and Osama bin Laden had to be removed. "We still confront today a twin-headed monster of terrorism and of proliferating weapons of mass destruction," she said. "And both those heads must be removed, if the beast itself is to be destroyed."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/1415788/Thatcher-praises-Blair-for-standing-firm-with-US-on-Iraq.html
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Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #41)
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Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Nye Bevan proves that he's not not a right-wing shitstain.
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Occulus
(20,599 posts)What do you think his caption for it might be?
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Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)yet I supposedly am a "right-wing shitstain". I guess that there's some kind of lesson there about the current state of US politics.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Please do not reply you are back on Iggy. Thanks for playing though. What a PEACH.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)the Iraq War, and said, to the right of Blair, that we could pursue that war on our own without support of other countries.
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)There's the left-to-right continuum. Neoliberalism is right wing by definition. Then there's the likeable-to-shitstain continuum, involving somewhat less objective criteria.
They_Live
(3,225 posts)He's earned it.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Public Enemy? Morrissey? The The? The Beat? The Specials?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I've seen those on farms in CA. If it was the size of Mick Jagger's house, you might impress me. Sorry your girlfriend died.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Which his taxes will help to pay for. Not every rich person is a republican. Or, I should say, Tory, here.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Your leader she has gone to the Lords, to the Lords
. .
but she's left us Little John and he's barely hanging on by his nails.
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Warpy
(111,174 posts)I've never wished a {wo}man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.
Thatcher and Reagan had charmed lives and both spent their retirement with Alzheimer's disease, utterly oblivious to the havoc they wrought throughout both countries and becoming dreadful burdens to the people around them.
I don't think this is coincidence. I think such soulless people generally end up like this, escaping any responsibility or condemnation for their actions.
It's why I wish I could believe in a hell.
ETA: "Margaret Thatcher is dead but her ideas live on. I dont think its the least bit inhumane to fervently wish it was the other way round." --tweet quoted by a sweet little lady who knits.
malaise
(268,724 posts)What they did affected teh entire planet - we are still paying and big time.
Warpy
(111,174 posts)I don't think you can possibly overestimate the wounds left by the miner's strikes in 1984 in the UK.
Nor can you overestimate the damage to this country that his policies that allowed the rich to stripmine labor have done here.
RZM
(8,556 posts)'Soulless people' are more prone to them? What the hell kind of bullshit is that?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Warpy
(111,174 posts)That doesn't mean that good people won't get it, you know. It just means that people who lack an elemental part of the human psyche like Reagan and Thatcher did seem to get it more often.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Maybe a study linking soullessness and dementia?
If not, then it's basically mumbo jumbo.
Some people have mental problems in old age. Others have them much earlier. It's part of being human. Nothing more and nothing less.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)and call it "conservatism".
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I'm sorry. I'm not even going to pretend to be sad at the death of someone who wrecked our country and that I utterly despised. She was utterly and deliberately evil, that bloody movie was the biggest whitewash this side of Dulux and I'm glad she died and disappointed it wasn't sooner.
malaise
(268,724 posts)More than the exercise of political power at a time when Britain's fortunes had reached a postwar low in the winter of industrial discontent of 1978-79, "Thatcherism" changed the way Britons viewed politics and economics, as well as the way the country was regarded around the world.
As a result, the "Iron Lady" was more admired abroad than at home, where even many of those who voted Conservative recoiled from her apparent lack of compassion for those whose lives and careers were disrupted by her policies.
Her frequent assertion that "there is no alternative" to the economic medicine she administered to a reluctant country is disputed to this day.
d_r
(6,907 posts)My gen x peers seem to be fascinated.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And I don't disagree.
Shame we had to pretend like we cared about Reagan.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure."
Clarence Darrow
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)"GOOD"!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)LOVE IT!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I love Grumpy.
catbyte
(34,341 posts)I usually have some sort of reaction when someone famous dies, but I got nothin'.
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)santamargarita
(3,170 posts)Berlin Expat
(949 posts)you can't say something nice about someone, say nothing at all.
So I will simply say <>
mile18blister
(507 posts)These guys have been waiting for a long time.
http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Margaret Thatcher is dead. Good.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)The Falklands War. I always saw the whole tragic, tragic mess as a result of her flexing her muscles to show off for Reagan. Young British and Argentine men died, when she could have pulled off a simple, but dramatic diplomatic coup.
If I had been Thatcher, I could have averted the Falklands War with two phone calls.
1. To Reagan, asking him to back my play.
2. To the Prime Minister of Argentina, telling him that the UK and the US held approximately 90% of Argentina's overseas debt. Get out of the Falklands, or we're calling in our loans. He would have grumbled and fum-fuhed a little, and then pulled the troops. You can't fight a war if you have no money, and no international credit.
She failed her country.
But thanks to Tony Blair, she's out of the celler of fecklessness.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)The miners' strike, the poll tax, Section 28 of the 1988 Local Government Act. Leaving the Falklands off to one side there's still ample reason why she's viscerally despised by a large part of the British populace old enough to remember.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)She could have at least tried. The job of a national leader is to do the greatest good for the greatest number of her people. She failed miserably, because she tried instead to do the bidding of the wealthy assholes. Britain is a poorer place as a result, in many different ways...
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)--from my live album by the Specials.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Reagan's stature is falling already.
With the Brits in the throes of austerity, I wouldn't doubt if her grave gets vandalized. Anger is going to grow against those two from here on out.
TimberValley
(318 posts)Reading all the comments on this thread, I'm quite disappointed in DU.
malaise
(268,724 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)She was a despicable, evil, cold-hearted b*tch...that doesn't change simply because she croaked...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Credibility demands it.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)If you don't like it, trash the threads so you don't have to look at them.
Fuck Margaret Thatcher. She is dead. The world is a better place without her. Too bad the world is such a worse place because of her.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)The irony is everyone dancing on her grave would be wounded and butt hurt if (when) the right does the same thing to one of our leaders.
As Bill Hicks once said, humanity is a virus in tennis shoes.
TimberValley
(318 posts)I'm starting to think that some people on DU don't behave or act any better than some right-wing fundamentalists.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Our leaders, bumbling and ineffective though they may be, almost always improve things for people, even if it is incremental.
Right-wingers will lie and distort her record, but also that of Reagan. They will lie about Clinton and Obama too.
So, anything right-wingers say about Thatcher and even what Obama said is an out-and-out-lie. She was horrible.
We owe nothing to public figures but to speak the truth of what they were, good or bad. If right-wingers have their feelings hurt by the jokes, that's one thing, but let's not hide, even for a minute, the truth about her record and the misery it caused for a lot of people (except the rich, who, of course, made out like bandits).
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)But you'd still be offended if someone made those jokes about any current liberal icons. That's all I'm saying and I'm not sure why that's so hard to grasp.
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Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)I saw it when Teddy died. The right lapped it up. They didn't take the time to determine whether or not it was right or wrong. Anyway, by all means carry on. She was no saint.
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Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)That's the question I'm interested in hearing the answer to. How are YOU invested? Your profile says your not British and I'd say it's 50/50 whether you were even alive during her reign.
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Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)Not one tear here
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)I haven't stopped smiling all day long. Fuck Thatcher.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)So excuse me if I dance the Irish jig to the news of Thatcher's demise.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Apophis
(1,407 posts)Response to TimberValley (Reply #82)
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sibelian
(7,804 posts)There, there.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)Death should be no escape from her disgrace.
hatrack
(59,578 posts)EDIT
Lady Thatcher thanked her old friend for being an ally during the 1982 Falklands War - and for "bringing democracy to Chile".
"I know how much we owed to you for your help," she said.
"The information you gave us, communications, and also the refuge you gave to any of our armed forces who were able, if they were shipwrecked, to make their way to Chile."
She added: "I'm also very much aware that it is you who brought democracy to Chile, you set up a constitution suitable for democracy, you put it into effect, elections were held, and then, in accordance with the result, you stepped down."
EDIT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/304516.stm
malaise
(268,724 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Well, I wish. I don't really believe in that afterlife nonsense.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)duffyduff
(3,251 posts)This woman bought the Milton Friedman fraud hook, line, and sinker.
She paved the way for other politicians, including Obama in the present day, embracing debunked and discredited governmental/economic theories.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Maybe that was for her retirement.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)No tears.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I think she actually thought that crap worked.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)Every time one of these right-wing shitstains dies, we get to see the DU Right-wing shitstains defend their legacy.
In fact they are already outing themselves here.
RL
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)always a plus for credibility...sort of.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)indeed
RL
Catherina
(35,568 posts)This song caused a political problem with touchy touchy Maggie the Minister so as an "apology" Renaud then sang it in English. Haha. Good riddance you war witch.
Women of the world or street
So very often just the same
I love every one I meet
Have they fame or be they plain
Down to the last stupid crow
I praise with every word I utter
I'm disgusted by men now
With their morals from the gutter
'Cause there's no woman in this land quite as stupid as her brother
Nor so vain or underhand except, maybe, Madame Thatcher
Lady I love you now, I do
'Cause when a sport becomes a war
There's no girls, or very few
Amongst those fans who yell for more
Those fanatics of the game
Beer and hate just make them mean
They call the other side such names
And make such gods of their own team
There is no female hooligan, imbecilic, filled with murder
No, not even in Britain except, for sure, Madame Thatcher
I love woman just because
When she's sitting at the wheel
There's no man-like sense of loss
No urge to kill is yours to feel
For a slightly damaged headlight
Or for two fingers in the air
There are those who wish to fight
To the death if they but dare
An "up yours" their favourite sign there's no woman so vulgar
To use this symbol all the time except, perhaps, Madame Thatcher
How I love you, dear woman
You don't go to war to die
Because the vision of a gun
Does not make you pant and sigh
With those hunters of the night
Who jump on creatures that are frail
Or a child in their gunsight
I've yet to see a female
There is no woman low enough to spit and polish a revolver
Just to feel so bloody tough except, for sure, Madame Thatcher
The atom bomb was never made
By a human female brain
And no female hand has slayed
Those U.S. peoples of the plain
Palestinians or Armenians
Bear their witness form the grave
That a genocide is masculine
Like a "SS" or "Green Beret"
In this bloody mass of man, each assassin is a brother
There's no woman who rivals them except, of course, Madame Thatcher
And lastly Woman, above all
I love hour gentleness so mild
A man draws strength from his own balls
Wich like his gun he shoots from wild
And when the final curtain draws
He'll join the cretins in the harvest
Playing football, playing wars
Or who can piss the farthest
I would join the doggy host and love my days on earth
As my day to day lamp post I would use Madame Thatcher
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I think someone oughtta put out a compilation of all the great music she...er...inspired (?!)
So many great songs on this thread!
Catherina
(35,568 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)It is a great thread. Sad to see there are some here who would slam Billy Bragg while having a sad over Maggie.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)But I do agree with the sentiment!
It is on Youtube, the title is Maggie.
Apophis
(1,407 posts)She was a horrible person.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)hence, eom.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)"They say you shouldn't say nothin' about the dead unless it's good. He's dead. Good!"
Or in this case, she.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Pretty accurate.
malaise
(268,724 posts)They nailed it
Marr
(20,317 posts)I swear, she comes up right on cue whenever someone says that.
malaise
(268,724 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)"Looking forward to hearing about who found all the horcruxes"
"Finally, I get to wear my black suit and tap shoes together #Thatcher"
"All that Thatcher achieved was to ensure that people living in Garbage Camps a hundred years from now will think that Hitler was a woman"
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)cut off her head and stuff her mouth with garlic.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)suffer like her.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)They can't face the truth
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I don't have any shoes that are good for dancing!
malaise
(268,724 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)Hopefully they bury her deep. Really really deep.
malaise
(268,724 posts)which together shackle far more of the human spirit than they ever set free.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-editorial
<snip>
Arguably even more important than these headline events was the third example, the conduct of economic policy. There had been a New Right before Mrs Thatcher, but it was the ideas of Friedrich von Hayek, as articulated to her by a series of domestic rightwing ideologues, on which she seized. It was Mrs Thatcher, abetted by her chancellors Sir Geoffrey Howe and Nigel Lawson, who drove the policy that the public sector was an unproductive burden on the wealth-creating sector and on taxpayers, and must therefore be reduced and privatised. It was she who insisted that the chief aim of government economic policy should be price stability, and that it should not give priority to reducing unemployment or to stimulating demand.
And it was she again who seemed to believe, far more than those around her, that the market economy required not a minimal state to protect it but a strong state, marked by everything from the abolition of local government autonomy to the enhancement of police powers, intolerance towards gay rights, the broadcasting ban on Sinn Féin, and increased defence spending. She made enemies without flinching, and they reciprocated. Her rule was marked by the most serious urban riots of the 20th century, one of the most divisive strikes in recent times, and the century's most audacious prime ministerial assassination attempt, which thankfully she survived.
Mrs Thatcher's unique mark was also felt in the two confrontations that ultimately undid her. The first was the poll tax, which was disastrous, unjust and was her policy alone. The poll tax came to embody a prime minister who ruled from conviction not sense, and who did not care about, indeed gloried in, a confrontation that destroyed the Tory party in Scotland and may indirectly come to destroy the union she otherwise championed. Similarly, and less easily disposed of after her fall, was Europe. Mrs Thatcher began her prime ministership as a pragmatic, if often acerbic, European. But as she became a bigger figure on the world stage, feted both by Mr Reagan and by Mikhail Gorbachev, she became increasingly strident and disruptive towards Europe. Her style became the policy, cementing the love affair with an already overmighty press but with disastrous effects for her leadership (which was ended by Sir Geoffrey's resignation over the issue), her party (which became obsessed with the subject) and for Britain. Except for Mr Blair in his early years, every British leader since has felt Mrs Thatcher at his shoulder in dealings with Europe, to the lasting national loss.
Islandurp
(188 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)dementia for more than a decade, so you are kind of right
blogslut
(37,985 posts)For writing the perfect song to commemorate occasions such as this:
Rex
(65,616 posts)May the idea go with her.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)...having long since been replaced by professionals.