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Margaret Thatcher is dead (Original Post) malaise Apr 2013 OP
Rec. The Link Apr 2013 #1
RIP ananda Apr 2013 #2
Yeah this is harsh, but... shenmue Apr 2013 #3
Wish I could rec that malaise Apr 2013 #9
When? April 8, 2013. progressoid Apr 2013 #94
The evil hag will not be missed. mr blur Apr 2013 #4
Here's a great thread malaise Apr 2013 #137
The only regret I have about her death DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #5
My Mom always said, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." So, FSogol Apr 2013 #6
My mom always said 'speak the truth and speak it ever malaise Apr 2013 #7
LOL. Tell us how you really feel Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #120
Wish I could malaise Apr 2013 #133
Okay for you, but malthaussen Apr 2013 #26
Yes, those were the days amuse bouche Apr 2013 #29
All I know of her is her name. I was born in the late 80s. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #8
Which part of her family? malaise Apr 2013 #12
My knowledge on Thatcher is less than 10%... so maybe there's a non-evil nephew... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #17
Here's a fitting thread for Thatcher malaise Apr 2013 #20
sorry, the neo-libs are still entrenched on both sides of the pond. KG Apr 2013 #10
I know malaise Apr 2013 #14
Some poignant words from John Lydon come to mind . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #11
Love John Lydon UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #68
. Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #13
Ding Dong, the witch is dead..... rhett o rick Apr 2013 #15
Indeed malaise Apr 2013 #16
Which ol' witch, The WICKED witch!! n/t thatgemguy Apr 2013 #50
That's the one. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #52
Which old witch? The Wicked Witch! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #60
She'll finally get to spend time with her buddy Ronny davidpdx Apr 2013 #18
The Day That Thatcher Dies proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #19
Error on the BBC this morning malaise Apr 2013 #21
Bwahahaha a strike! Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #23
Breath-taking irony malaise Apr 2013 #25
You almost have to think it's not even a typo but a Freudian slip. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #38
A union worker malaise Apr 2013 #46
Ha ha, no doubt! mountain grammy Apr 2013 #180
Oh the irony!!! truebrit71 Apr 2013 #64
She inspired a lot of rockers to diss her treestar Apr 2013 #173
Yep. No tears for hateful murderous RWers Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #22
Let the 1% mourn for Thatcher malaise Apr 2013 #24
The Brits are desperately trying to amuse bouche Apr 2013 #27
Now on the front page: "#INSENSITIVE?" backscatter712 Apr 2013 #160
It's so interesting amuse bouche Apr 2013 #168
No tears here either. polly7 Apr 2013 #28
Decorum dictates that we not speak ill of the dead. baldguy Apr 2013 #30
Say something good about the dead....... LongTomH Apr 2013 #128
Good riddance. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #31
I have nothing to say about her. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #32
I believe Elvis says it best mulsh Apr 2013 #33
Nice Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #34
Deep malaise Apr 2013 #36
30 years too late.. RR too! mountain grammy Apr 2013 #35
How many illegal wars did she start? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #37
LOL Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #47
She supported the 2003 Iraq War --your praise of her can't be done without lying CreekDog Apr 2013 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #145
No tears here- Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #39
Here's where Billy Bragg lives today. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #49
And today, Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #69
I'm surprised it's not there already. Occulus Apr 2013 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #75
"There is no alternative!" Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #85
That ship sailed years ago. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #76
Well yeah you have a point there Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #80
It's actually kind of amusing. I agree with almost all of President Obama's policies, Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #111
Slamming Billy Bragg whilst supporting Thatcher is quite revealing Nye HangOnKids Apr 2013 #125
DAMN she wasn't bluffing. Now there are 6 star members ignoring me. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #130
you shouldn't have said she didn't start an illegal war when she supported one publicly CreekDog Apr 2013 #150
Well, we're dealing with two variables. PETRUS Apr 2013 #146
Good for Billy Bragg! They_Live Apr 2013 #90
I love looking at houses. Whatcha got on... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #156
And? Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #161
Seems to me he is for a social safety net treestar Apr 2013 #171
Anyone know the reference to Little John treestar Apr 2013 #172
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #40
I'll {mis}quote Clarence Darrow Warpy Apr 2013 #43
Nice post but both countries?? malaise Apr 2013 #44
True that but we were at the epicenter of it here and in the UK Warpy Apr 2013 #53
So dementia and Alzheimer's are 'not a coincidence?' RZM Apr 2013 #48
I guess my Grandma must have been an evil person (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #51
Long observation Warpy Apr 2013 #55
Is there evidence for this? RZM Apr 2013 #62
Then there are those who carefully cultivate it within themselves Occulus Apr 2013 #74
Good riddance to the evil old fascist Prophet 451 Apr 2013 #45
The Iron Lady: Michael White looks back at the life of Margaret Thatcher malaise Apr 2013 #93
on my facebook d_r Apr 2013 #54
About time. russspeakeasy Apr 2013 #56
The Brits sound happy to be rid of her LittleBlue Apr 2013 #57
"I have never killed (anyone), Walk away Apr 2013 #58
If I may, I would like to quote Grumpy Cat, Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #59
There truly is a Grumpy for everything... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #157
LOL!!! Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #158
Sure didn't take long, eh? WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #159
You know, I couldn't care less, actually. catbyte Apr 2013 #61
dance jollyreaper2112 Apr 2013 #63
How about that... santamargarita Apr 2013 #65
It is said that if Berlin Expat Apr 2013 #66
Finally mile18blister Apr 2013 #70
Of the dead, let nothing but good be said. Jester Messiah Apr 2013 #71
I always thought she missed a superb opportunity to be remembered well. Aristus Apr 2013 #72
Nah, she'd still be hated. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #79
I agree. Aristus Apr 2013 #81
"This next song is dedicated to the Tory Party and all the shit they're getting us into" Kolesar Apr 2013 #77
She is not going to be remembered well. caseymoz Apr 2013 #78
Is it necessary for people to speak this badly about someone who's just died? TimberValley Apr 2013 #82
Whatever n/t malaise Apr 2013 #87
I had nothing good to day about her when she was alive. Why should that change just because she died truebrit71 Apr 2013 #88
Here? Yes. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #89
Not just anyone who's just died. A rightwing shit head who died. Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #92
It's not necessary Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #102
Thank you. Was wondering if anyone else had felt the same way. TimberValley Apr 2013 #104
The difference she actively, knowingly did harm to an awful lot of people alarimer Apr 2013 #115
All of that might be true Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #136
Yeah but nobody will bother determining that Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #140
But how does her death improve your life? Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #142
We'll celebrate together when Cheney goes Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #143
+1,000 malaise Apr 2013 #167
You mean like the way they were so respectful about Ted Kennedy? truebrit71 Apr 2013 #144
Exactly. The right-wingers have been there, done that. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #149
Ehhh, who gives a crap what the rightwing nuts say about our people? Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #129
I had nothing good to say about her when she was alive. Apophis Apr 2013 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #113
Never mind. sibelian Apr 2013 #138
When it's a monster like Thatcher? YES Prophet 451 Apr 2013 #183
BBC - "Thatcher Stands By Pinochet" - 26 March 1999 hatrack Apr 2013 #83
I don't plan to forget that malaise Apr 2013 #91
Couldn't have happened to a more worthy person. Fearless Apr 2013 #84
I say absolutely nothing good or bad, just saying nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #86
Having a little Hell party with Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet, Ronnie and the rest of the rotten bunch Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #95
and that Austrian guy who died in 1945 also nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #97
I am not shedding many tears duffyduff Apr 2013 #96
I thought she died many years ago slackmaster Apr 2013 #98
That was just her soul and humanity n/t Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #100
I remember people singing "Ding-Dong The Witch Is Dead!" slackmaster Apr 2013 #101
A horrible, stupid woman... joeybee12 Apr 2013 #99
I can think of many negative adjectives to describe her, but stupid isn't one of them. slackmaster Apr 2013 #121
Dumb enough to buy into free market shit... joeybee12 Apr 2013 #122
Good. RetroLounge Apr 2013 #103
well this gives them an opportunity to have some posts outside the gungeon CreekDog Apr 2013 #176
sort of... RetroLounge Apr 2013 #186
Haha. As my day to day lampost, I will use Madame Thatcher Catherina Apr 2013 #105
What a fair, fair tribute Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #109
I think so too! I'm saving them lol n/t Catherina Apr 2013 #124
Will Pitt Posted a link to 21 songs MagTheWarHog inspired HangOnKids Apr 2013 #132
I just found a song by The Exploited, but if I posted it or its lyrics here, I'd get PPR'd. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #163
No tears from me either. Apophis Apr 2013 #106
De mortuis nil nisi bonum KamaAina Apr 2013 #108
I'm with Moms Mabley on this alarimer Apr 2013 #110
This was created a few months ago: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #112
Wow!! malaise Apr 2013 #119
The woman who single-handedly ruined the "if women ruled the world, things would be different" line. Marr Apr 2013 #114
Good spot malaise Apr 2013 #134
Frankie Boyle's tweets on Thatcher's death... backscatter712 Apr 2013 #118
I miss Spitting Image's satire of Thatcher. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #123
Too good malaise Apr 2013 #135
Just to be sure: Put a wooden stake through her heart, backscatter712 Apr 2013 #126
What heart? [nt] Jester Messiah Apr 2013 #164
Look for the shriveled, blackened part in the chest cavity - it's so small you can barely see it. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #165
I recently learned my ex was dead. Now there are two fewer assholes in the world. nt valerief Apr 2013 #127
Your ex was probably a saint compared with this woman malaise Apr 2013 #148
Yes, but only because he wasn't given the chance to make millions of people valerief Apr 2013 #182
good Marrah_G Apr 2013 #131
Most British newspapers have turned off the comments section malaise Apr 2013 #147
Well that sucks! Scootaloo Apr 2013 #151
Just dance malaise Apr 2013 #152
... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #153
Neo-FASCIST NWO. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #154
In her world Mandela was a terrorist and Pinochet was a freedom fighter. pa28 Apr 2013 #155
Her legacy is of public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed malaise Apr 2013 #162
wow thought she died years ago nt Islandurp Apr 2013 #166
Well she's had amuse bouche Apr 2013 #169
All hail Leslie Bricusse! blogslut Apr 2013 #170
Ugh. NWO. Rex Apr 2013 #174
She's now in a special place, meeting the people she admired in life. ocpagu Apr 2013 #175
I see malaise Apr 2013 #181
Abe Vigoda is NOT dead. nt madinmaryland Apr 2013 #177
He's the Schrödinger's Cat of entertainment! n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #178
Here, you'll need these. Deep13 Apr 2013 #179
Don't forget the crucifix and garlic! n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #185
The amateur is dead... Orsino Apr 2013 #184

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
3. Yeah this is harsh, but...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:32 AM
Apr 2013

I thought I'd be the first one to post it. Finally came true!



Morrissey, "Margaret On the Guillotine"

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
5. The only regret I have about her death
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:37 AM
Apr 2013

Is that it was from Natural causes, and not by an executioner's blade.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
7. My mom always said 'speak the truth and speak it ever
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:41 AM
Apr 2013

cost it what it will...'

Fuck Margaret Thatcher - She and the other scumbag have destroyed more lives with their neo-liberal rape of humanity that I will celebrate her departure and replace that champagne I was saving for Cheney.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
29. Yes, those were the days
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:23 AM
Apr 2013

when one had to pretend the neighbor wasn't boinking his kid.

I like, truth will set you free, much more

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
8. All I know of her is her name. I was born in the late 80s.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:42 AM
Apr 2013

But after learning more today, I'll just say it's unfortunate that people do not leave behind a legacy that can be respected.

Thoughts for her family.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
12. Which part of her family?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:44 AM
Apr 2013

The son who was involved in a coup in Africa and escaped because he was a Thatcher.
Fuck the entire bunch of them.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
17. My knowledge on Thatcher is less than 10%... so maybe there's a non-evil nephew...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:57 AM
Apr 2013

Or distant cousin.

Probably just waiting on the will to be read, though.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
68. Love John Lydon
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:22 AM
Apr 2013

Which lyrics?

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb

God save the queen
She ain't no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future, no future,
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cause tourists are money
And our figurehead
Is not what she seems

Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh Lord God have mercy
All crimes are paid

When there's no future
How can there be sin?
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future, your future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreaming

No future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future,
No future for me

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
23. Bwahahaha a strike!
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:11 AM
Apr 2013

Wouldn't that be great, strikes causing the worst RWers in the world to fall over dead.

Oh god, I know I will probably see Thatcher in hell for this but LOLOLOL

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
38. You almost have to think it's not even a typo but a Freudian slip.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:38 AM
Apr 2013

If only we could bring them all down with a strike. I'm retired, but I'll put on my union shirt and grab my sign and walk that line.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
22. Yep. No tears for hateful murderous RWers
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:10 AM
Apr 2013

Good riddance.

I understand the folks here who, for spiritual/religious/etc principle or whatever don't like all this so-called 'grave dancing', express empathy to her family and such, but to them I say, hide the threads that piss you off. Let the rest of us vent.

What I will NEVER understand are those here who are acting like there was something redeeming about her political legacy. I mean

She was a RW asshole. The fewer Thatcher-types in the world the better. And maybe someday we have a system where people like that cannot reach power.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
24. Let the 1% mourn for Thatcher
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:12 AM
Apr 2013

We need more truth on this planet. She destroyed more lives and more economies than I can count.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
27. The Brits are desperately trying to
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:20 AM
Apr 2013

have a dance party on her grave, but HuffPo U.K's censors are working overtime to put the kibosh on the festivities

Still, the Brit's humor shine through

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
168. It's so interesting
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:09 PM
Apr 2013

to read the Brits' comments. That's why I hate the censorship on that site. (here too )
One just posted.."According to the Guardian, street parties have broken out in Brixton and Glasgow"

And this is just so sad..."I just read it in the Guardian online, Planet Earth. Expect more street parties in Durham, Liverpool, parts off Wales, etc. I worked in Mansfield, Notts, where generations of kids were left without parental occupation, income or any hope. Crime was rife, as was alcoholism, drug abuse and mental illness. All thanks to Maggie"

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
34. Nice
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:33 AM
Apr 2013

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord
your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms
and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life
could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the
dirt down

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
37. How many illegal wars did she start?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:37 AM
Apr 2013

How many people did she order killed without trial?

Not a huge fan, but she doesn't look so bad these days.

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
116. She supported the 2003 Iraq War --your praise of her can't be done without lying
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:41 PM
Apr 2013
Thatcher praises Blair for standing firm with US on Iraq
By Toby Harnden in Washington12:01AM GMT 11 Dec 2002
Lady Thatcher has used a speech to American conservatives to praise Tony Blair for his backing of President Bush over the need to disarm Saddam's Iraq.
The former Prime Minister said she was "proud that Britain stands where we all must stand - as America's surest and staunchest ally".

...

But Lady Thatcher struck a different tone from that of Mr Blair, who has repeatedly stressed the importance of the United Nations and collective action.

"Only America has the reach and means to deal with Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein or the other wicked psychopaths who will sooner or later step into their shoes," she said.

...

Lady Thatcher argued strongly that both Saddam and Osama bin Laden had to be removed. "We still confront today a twin-headed monster of terrorism and of proliferating weapons of mass destruction," she said. "And both those heads must be removed, if the beast itself is to be destroyed."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/1415788/Thatcher-praises-Blair-for-standing-firm-with-US-on-Iraq.html

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #41)

Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #67)

Response to Occulus (Reply #73)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
111. It's actually kind of amusing. I agree with almost all of President Obama's policies,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:32 PM
Apr 2013

yet I supposedly am a "right-wing shitstain". I guess that there's some kind of lesson there about the current state of US politics.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
125. Slamming Billy Bragg whilst supporting Thatcher is quite revealing Nye
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:41 PM
Apr 2013

Please do not reply you are back on Iggy. Thanks for playing though. What a PEACH.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
150. you shouldn't have said she didn't start an illegal war when she supported one publicly
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:34 PM
Apr 2013

the Iraq War, and said, to the right of Blair, that we could pursue that war on our own without support of other countries.

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
146. Well, we're dealing with two variables.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:06 PM
Apr 2013

There's the left-to-right continuum. Neoliberalism is right wing by definition. Then there's the likeable-to-shitstain continuum, involving somewhat less objective criteria.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
161. And?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:21 PM
Apr 2013

I've seen those on farms in CA. If it was the size of Mick Jagger's house, you might impress me. Sorry your girlfriend died.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
171. Seems to me he is for a social safety net
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:28 PM
Apr 2013

Which his taxes will help to pay for. Not every rich person is a republican. Or, I should say, Tory, here.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
172. Anyone know the reference to Little John
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:34 PM
Apr 2013

Your leader she has gone to the Lords, to the Lords
. .
but she's left us Little John and he's barely hanging on by his nails.

Response to malaise (Original post)

Warpy

(111,174 posts)
43. I'll {mis}quote Clarence Darrow
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:45 AM
Apr 2013

“I've never wished a {wo}man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.”

Thatcher and Reagan had charmed lives and both spent their retirement with Alzheimer's disease, utterly oblivious to the havoc they wrought throughout both countries and becoming dreadful burdens to the people around them.

I don't think this is coincidence. I think such soulless people generally end up like this, escaping any responsibility or condemnation for their actions.

It's why I wish I could believe in a hell.

ETA: "Margaret Thatcher is dead but her ideas live on. I don’t think it’s the least bit inhumane to fervently wish it was the other way round." --tweet quoted by a sweet little lady who knits.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
44. Nice post but both countries??
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:48 AM
Apr 2013

What they did affected teh entire planet - we are still paying and big time.

Warpy

(111,174 posts)
53. True that but we were at the epicenter of it here and in the UK
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:00 AM
Apr 2013

I don't think you can possibly overestimate the wounds left by the miner's strikes in 1984 in the UK.

Nor can you overestimate the damage to this country that his policies that allowed the rich to stripmine labor have done here.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
48. So dementia and Alzheimer's are 'not a coincidence?'
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:54 AM
Apr 2013

'Soulless people' are more prone to them? What the hell kind of bullshit is that?

Warpy

(111,174 posts)
55. Long observation
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:01 AM
Apr 2013

That doesn't mean that good people won't get it, you know. It just means that people who lack an elemental part of the human psyche like Reagan and Thatcher did seem to get it more often.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
62. Is there evidence for this?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013

Maybe a study linking soullessness and dementia?

If not, then it's basically mumbo jumbo.

Some people have mental problems in old age. Others have them much earlier. It's part of being human. Nothing more and nothing less.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
45. Good riddance to the evil old fascist
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:49 AM
Apr 2013

I'm sorry. I'm not even going to pretend to be sad at the death of someone who wrecked our country and that I utterly despised. She was utterly and deliberately evil, that bloody movie was the biggest whitewash this side of Dulux and I'm glad she died and disappointed it wasn't sooner.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
93. The Iron Lady: Michael White looks back at the life of Margaret Thatcher
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/iron-lady-margaret-thatcher

More than the exercise of political power at a time when Britain's fortunes had reached a postwar low in the winter of industrial discontent of 1978-79, "Thatcherism" changed the way Britons viewed politics and economics, as well as the way the country was regarded around the world.

As a result, the "Iron Lady" was more admired abroad than at home, where even many of those who voted Conservative recoiled from her apparent lack of compassion for those whose lives and careers were disrupted by her policies.

Her frequent assertion that "there is no alternative" to the economic medicine she administered to a reluctant country is disputed to this day.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
57. The Brits sound happy to be rid of her
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:08 AM
Apr 2013

And I don't disagree.

Shame we had to pretend like we cared about Reagan.

catbyte

(34,341 posts)
61. You know, I couldn't care less, actually.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:12 AM
Apr 2013

I usually have some sort of reaction when someone famous dies, but I got nothin'.

Berlin Expat

(949 posts)
66. It is said that if
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:20 AM
Apr 2013

you can't say something nice about someone, say nothing at all.

So I will simply say <>

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
72. I always thought she missed a superb opportunity to be remembered well.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:34 AM
Apr 2013

The Falklands War. I always saw the whole tragic, tragic mess as a result of her flexing her muscles to show off for Reagan. Young British and Argentine men died, when she could have pulled off a simple, but dramatic diplomatic coup.

If I had been Thatcher, I could have averted the Falklands War with two phone calls.

1. To Reagan, asking him to back my play.

2. To the Prime Minister of Argentina, telling him that the UK and the US held approximately 90% of Argentina's overseas debt. Get out of the Falklands, or we're calling in our loans. He would have grumbled and fum-fuhed a little, and then pulled the troops. You can't fight a war if you have no money, and no international credit.

She failed her country.

But thanks to Tony Blair, she's out of the celler of fecklessness.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
79. Nah, she'd still be hated.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:49 AM
Apr 2013

The miners' strike, the poll tax, Section 28 of the 1988 Local Government Act. Leaving the Falklands off to one side there's still ample reason why she's viscerally despised by a large part of the British populace old enough to remember.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
81. I agree.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:52 AM
Apr 2013

She could have at least tried. The job of a national leader is to do the greatest good for the greatest number of her people. She failed miserably, because she tried instead to do the bidding of the wealthy assholes. Britain is a poorer place as a result, in many different ways...

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
77. "This next song is dedicated to the Tory Party and all the shit they're getting us into"
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

--from my live album by the Specials.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
78. She is not going to be remembered well.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:47 AM
Apr 2013

Reagan's stature is falling already.

With the Brits in the throes of austerity, I wouldn't doubt if her grave gets vandalized. Anger is going to grow against those two from here on out.
 

TimberValley

(318 posts)
82. Is it necessary for people to speak this badly about someone who's just died?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

Reading all the comments on this thread, I'm quite disappointed in DU.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
88. I had nothing good to day about her when she was alive. Why should that change just because she died
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:09 AM
Apr 2013

She was a despicable, evil, cold-hearted b*tch...that doesn't change simply because she croaked...

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
92. Not just anyone who's just died. A rightwing shit head who died.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

If you don't like it, trash the threads so you don't have to look at them.

Fuck Margaret Thatcher. She is dead. The world is a better place without her. Too bad the world is such a worse place because of her.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
102. It's not necessary
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:40 AM
Apr 2013

The irony is everyone dancing on her grave would be wounded and butt hurt if (when) the right does the same thing to one of our leaders.

As Bill Hicks once said, humanity is a virus in tennis shoes.

 

TimberValley

(318 posts)
104. Thank you. Was wondering if anyone else had felt the same way.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:01 PM
Apr 2013

I'm starting to think that some people on DU don't behave or act any better than some right-wing fundamentalists.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
115. The difference she actively, knowingly did harm to an awful lot of people
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

Our leaders, bumbling and ineffective though they may be, almost always improve things for people, even if it is incremental.

Right-wingers will lie and distort her record, but also that of Reagan. They will lie about Clinton and Obama too.

So, anything right-wingers say about Thatcher and even what Obama said is an out-and-out-lie. She was horrible.

We owe nothing to public figures but to speak the truth of what they were, good or bad. If right-wingers have their feelings hurt by the jokes, that's one thing, but let's not hide, even for a minute, the truth about her record and the misery it caused for a lot of people (except the rich, who, of course, made out like bandits).

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
117. All of that might be true
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

But you'd still be offended if someone made those jokes about any current liberal icons. That's all I'm saying and I'm not sure why that's so hard to grasp.

Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #117)

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
139. Yeah but nobody will bother determining that
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

I saw it when Teddy died. The right lapped it up. They didn't take the time to determine whether or not it was right or wrong. Anyway, by all means carry on. She was no saint.

Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #139)

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
141. But how does her death improve your life?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:29 PM
Apr 2013

That's the question I'm interested in hearing the answer to. How are YOU invested? Your profile says your not British and I'd say it's 50/50 whether you were even alive during her reign.

Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #141)

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
144. You mean like the way they were so respectful about Ted Kennedy?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:40 PM
Apr 2013


I haven't stopped smiling all day long. Fuck Thatcher.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
149. Exactly. The right-wingers have been there, done that.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

So excuse me if I dance the Irish jig to the news of Thatcher's demise.

Response to TimberValley (Reply #82)

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
83. BBC - "Thatcher Stands By Pinochet" - 26 March 1999
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:57 AM
Apr 2013

EDIT

Lady Thatcher thanked her old friend for being an ally during the 1982 Falklands War - and for "bringing democracy to Chile".

"I know how much we owed to you for your help," she said.

"The information you gave us, communications, and also the refuge you gave to any of our armed forces who were able, if they were shipwrecked, to make their way to Chile."

She added: "I'm also very much aware that it is you who brought democracy to Chile, you set up a constitution suitable for democracy, you put it into effect, elections were held, and then, in accordance with the result, you stepped down."


EDIT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/304516.stm

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
95. Having a little Hell party with Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet, Ronnie and the rest of the rotten bunch
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

Well, I wish. I don't really believe in that afterlife nonsense.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
96. I am not shedding many tears
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:24 AM
Apr 2013

This woman bought the Milton Friedman fraud hook, line, and sinker.

She paved the way for other politicians, including Obama in the present day, embracing debunked and discredited governmental/economic theories.

RetroLounge

(37,250 posts)
103. Good.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:59 AM
Apr 2013

Every time one of these right-wing shitstains dies, we get to see the DU Right-wing shitstains defend their legacy.

In fact they are already outing themselves here.



RL

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
176. well this gives them an opportunity to have some posts outside the gungeon
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:59 PM
Apr 2013

always a plus for credibility...sort of.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
105. Haha. As my day to day lampost, I will use Madame Thatcher
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:05 PM
Apr 2013


This song caused a political problem with touchy touchy Maggie the Minister so as an "apology" Renaud then sang it in English. Haha. Good riddance you war witch.



Women of the world or street
So very often just the same
I love every one I meet
Have they fame or be they plain
Down to the last stupid crow
I praise with every word I utter
I'm disgusted by men now
With their morals from the gutter
'Cause there's no woman in this land quite as stupid as her brother
Nor so vain or underhand except, maybe, Madame Thatcher

Lady I love you now, I do
'Cause when a sport becomes a war
There's no girls, or very few
Amongst those fans who yell for more
Those fanatics of the game
Beer and hate just make them mean
They call the other side such names
And make such gods of their own team
There is no female hooligan, imbecilic, filled with murder
No, not even in Britain except, for sure, Madame Thatcher


I love woman just because
When she's sitting at the wheel
There's no man-like sense of loss
No urge to kill is yours to feel
For a slightly damaged headlight
Or for two fingers in the air
There are those who wish to fight
To the death if they but dare
An "up yours" their favourite sign there's no woman so vulgar
To use this symbol all the time except, perhaps, Madame Thatcher

How I love you, dear woman
You don't go to war to die
Because the vision of a gun
Does not make you pant and sigh
With those hunters of the night
Who jump on creatures that are frail
Or a child in their gunsight
I've yet to see a female
There is no woman low enough to spit and polish a revolver
Just to feel so bloody tough except, for sure, Madame Thatcher

The atom bomb was never made
By a human female brain
And no female hand has slayed
Those U.S. peoples of the plain
Palestinians or Armenians
Bear their witness form the grave
That a genocide is masculine
Like a "SS" or "Green Beret"
In this bloody mass of man, each assassin is a brother
There's no woman who rivals them except, of course, Madame Thatcher

And lastly Woman, above all
I love hour gentleness so mild
A man draws strength from his own balls
Wich like his gun he shoots from wild
And when the final curtain draws
He'll join the cretins in the harvest
Playing football, playing wars
Or who can piss the farthest
I would join the doggy host and love my days on earth
As my day to day lamp post I would use Madame Thatcher

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
109. What a fair, fair tribute
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013


I think someone oughtta put out a compilation of all the great music she...er...inspired (?!)

So many great songs on this thread!
 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
132. Will Pitt Posted a link to 21 songs MagTheWarHog inspired
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:09 PM
Apr 2013

It is a great thread. Sad to see there are some here who would slam Billy Bragg while having a sad over Maggie.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
163. I just found a song by The Exploited, but if I posted it or its lyrics here, I'd get PPR'd.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:47 PM
Apr 2013

But I do agree with the sentiment!

It is on Youtube, the title is Maggie.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
110. I'm with Moms Mabley on this
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:30 PM
Apr 2013

"They say you shouldn't say nothin' about the dead unless it's good. He's dead. Good!"

Or in this case, she.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
114. The woman who single-handedly ruined the "if women ruled the world, things would be different" line.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

I swear, she comes up right on cue whenever someone says that.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
118. Frankie Boyle's tweets on Thatcher's death...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:53 PM
Apr 2013
http://twitter.com/frankieboyle

"Looking forward to hearing about who found all the horcruxes"

"Finally, I get to wear my black suit and tap shoes together #Thatcher"

"All that Thatcher achieved was to ensure that people living in Garbage Camps a hundred years from now will think that Hitler was a woman"

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
126. Just to be sure: Put a wooden stake through her heart,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:45 PM
Apr 2013

cut off her head and stuff her mouth with garlic.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
155. In her world Mandela was a terrorist and Pinochet was a freedom fighter.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:45 PM
Apr 2013

Hopefully they bury her deep. Really really deep.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
162. Her legacy is of public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:26 PM
Apr 2013

which together shackle far more of the human spirit than they ever set free.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-editorial
<snip>
Arguably even more important than these headline events was the third example, the conduct of economic policy. There had been a New Right before Mrs Thatcher, but it was the ideas of Friedrich von Hayek, as articulated to her by a series of domestic rightwing ideologues, on which she seized. It was Mrs Thatcher, abetted by her chancellors Sir Geoffrey Howe and Nigel Lawson, who drove the policy that the public sector was an unproductive burden on the wealth-creating sector and on taxpayers, and must therefore be reduced and privatised. It was she who insisted that the chief aim of government economic policy should be price stability, and that it should not give priority to reducing unemployment or to stimulating demand.

And it was she again who seemed to believe, far more than those around her, that the market economy required not a minimal state to protect it but a strong state, marked by everything from the abolition of local government autonomy to the enhancement of police powers, intolerance towards gay rights, the broadcasting ban on Sinn Féin, and increased defence spending. She made enemies without flinching, and they reciprocated. Her rule was marked by the most serious urban riots of the 20th century, one of the most divisive strikes in recent times, and the century's most audacious prime ministerial assassination attempt, which thankfully she survived.

Mrs Thatcher's unique mark was also felt in the two confrontations that ultimately undid her. The first was the poll tax, which was disastrous, unjust and was her policy alone. The poll tax came to embody a prime minister who ruled from conviction not sense, and who did not care about, indeed gloried in, a confrontation that destroyed the Tory party in Scotland and may indirectly come to destroy the union she otherwise championed. Similarly, and less easily disposed of after her fall, was Europe. Mrs Thatcher began her prime ministership as a pragmatic, if often acerbic, European. But as she became a bigger figure on the world stage, feted both by Mr Reagan and by Mikhail Gorbachev, she became increasingly strident and disruptive towards Europe. Her style became the policy, cementing the love affair with an already overmighty press but with disastrous effects for her leadership (which was ended by Sir Geoffrey's resignation over the issue), her party (which became obsessed with the subject) and for Britain. Except for Mr Blair in his early years, every British leader since has felt Mrs Thatcher at his shoulder in dealings with Europe, to the lasting national loss.

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