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(19,768 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:29 PM Apr 2013

What is this? Executive Order 12803 - Infrastructure Privatization.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=23625

Executive Order 12803 - Infrastructure Privatization
April 30, 1992

Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order: (a) "Privatization" means the disposition or transfer of an infrastructure asset, such as by sale or by long-term lease, from a State or local government to a private party.

(b) "Infrastructure asset" means any asset financed in whole or in part by the Federal Government and needed for the functioning of the economy. Examples of such assets include, but are not limited to: roads, tunnels, bridges, electricity supply facilities, mass transit, rail transportation, airports, ports. waterways, water supply facilities, recycling and wastewater treatment facilities, solid waste disposal facilities, housing, schools, prisons, and hospitals.

(c) "Originally authorized purposes" means the general objectives of the original grant program; however, the term is not intended to include every condition requires for a grantee to have obtained the original grant.

(d) "Transfer price" means: (i) the amount paid or to be paid by a private party for an infrastructure asset, if the asset is transferred as a result of a competitive bidding; of (ii) the appraised value of an infrastructure asset, as determined by the head of the executive department or agency and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, if the asset is not transferred as a result of competitive bidding.
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What is this? Executive Order 12803 - Infrastructure Privatization. (Original Post) Skip Intro Apr 2013 OP
Is this part of corruption? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #1
I think we should totally freak out about a 20-year old EO, and blame PBO. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #5
Why, exactly, wouldn't you blame Bush? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #8
I thought you had me on ignore? You claimed that you did! ( and your sarcasm meter is broken.) nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #14
Now putting you back on ignore. You have nothing to add. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #17
See, I once said that no one ignores me, and it turns out to be the truth. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #21
LOL malaise Apr 2013 #29
Because that's exactly what PBO was pushing in Miami last week. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #36
Poppy Bush wanted to give a gift to his corporatist buddies in hope alfredo Apr 2013 #37
Poppy Bush turning the People's assets over to capitalists. Loudly Apr 2013 #2
April 30, 1992 elleng Apr 2013 #3
I'm waiting for someone to blame PBO for using the Presidential Time Machine. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #6
Obama ain't the center of the universe, man. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #7
I am no man, as my user name indicates. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #22
I beg your pardon. nt Skip Intro Apr 2013 #23
Could stand for Martin Santhrope' bananas Apr 2013 #30
You seem to be obsessed with blaming Obama instead of Bush for this. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #9
I think your sarcasm meter is broken. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #11
When I want to use sarcasm, I'll let you know. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #15
Whoa! The target moved! randome Apr 2013 #19
I do think this thread is a delightful switch from boobs and SS threads, though. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #25
Seconded. randome Apr 2013 #26
Did another secret service agent get caught with a prostitute? nt bananas Apr 2013 #31
Right, surely someones will. elleng Apr 2013 #13
Obama is to blame for the calculation of SS COLAs, too. He really got around in 1974. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #18
Right, that kid surely did get around!!! elleng Apr 2013 #20
He does seem to want to cut SS and Medicare. Shame on him and his enablers. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #34
First rule of Leadership. EVERYTHING is your fault. :D AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #39
Issued by GHW Bush, April 30, 1992. nt jazzimov Apr 2013 #4
My town got half of an old army air corps base....housing and buildings... Historic NY Apr 2013 #10
Sounds like legislation written by Robert Moses... Cooley Hurd Apr 2013 #12
It's just the tip of the iceberg. The undoing of so much of what is/was great about the USA. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #16
User fees?? octoberlib Apr 2013 #24
Tolls are tyranny!!! nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #27
Connecticut turnpike. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #28
It's Useful Information In Exposing The Corruption Of The Entire United States Government... WillyT Apr 2013 #32
Is the country being sold-off? nt Skip Intro Apr 2013 #33
Did You Catch This ??? WillyT Apr 2013 #35
I think it's bigger than that. Way bigger. We're where we are on purpose. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #38
+1000. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #41
I was looking at the list of names of Pete Peterson's Fix the Debt Leadership and saw this: OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #40
I know this thread is older, but... TheVisitor Oct 2014 #42

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
37. Poppy Bush wanted to give a gift to his corporatist buddies in hope
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:05 AM
Apr 2013

they would send campaign cash his way.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
2. Poppy Bush turning the People's assets over to capitalists.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:34 PM
Apr 2013

So that capitalists can charge the People for the use thereof.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
30. Could stand for Martin Santhrope'
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:32 PM
Apr 2013

with an accent on the e, as in San Jose'.
A lot of people leave out punctuation.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
10. My town got half of an old army air corps base....housing and buildings...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:43 PM
Apr 2013

most was torn down by the government. Presently there is still redevelopment medical center, light factory, and condos also an economic incubator. Sadly they wiped out some buildings I tohught should have been saved. The remainder is an active airport.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
12. Sounds like legislation written by Robert Moses...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:44 PM
Apr 2013

...he was VERY good at drafting legislation when it would fuck over private citizens.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. It's just the tip of the iceberg. The undoing of so much of what is/was great about the USA.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:46 PM
Apr 2013

More:

Sec. 2. Fundamental Principles. Executive departments and agencies shall be guided by the following objectives and principles: (a) Adequate and well-maintained infrastructure is critical to economic growth. Consistent with the principles of federalism enumerated in Executive Order No. 12612, and in order to allow the private sector to provide for infrastructure modernization and expansion, State and local governments should have greater freedom to privatize infrastructure assets.

)(b) Private enterprise and competitively driven improvements are the foundation of our Nation's economy and economic growth. Federal financing of infrastructure assets should not act as a barrier to the achievement of economic efficiencies through additional private market financing or competitive practices, or both.

(c) State and local governments are in the best position to assess the respond to local needs. State and local governments should, subject to assuring continued compliance with Federal requirements that public use be on reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms, have maximum possible freedom to make decisions concerning the maintenance and disposition of their federally financed infrastructure assets.

(d) User fees are generally more efficient than general taxes as a means to support infrastructure assets. Privatization transactions should be structured so as not to result in unreasonable increases in charges to users.
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
28. Connecticut turnpike.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:00 PM
Apr 2013

I don't know if it's still that way but at one time it seemed that you had to stop every 5 minutes to pay a toll.

Where these still exist it's a hazard to safety and a pain in the ass.

Tolls aren't exclusively used on private roads and bridges, but if privatization means MORE of these then it's crazy.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
32. It's Useful Information In Exposing The Corruption Of The Entire United States Government...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:52 PM
Apr 2013


& Rec !!!

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
38. I think it's bigger than that. Way bigger. We're where we are on purpose.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:29 AM
Apr 2013

Country was incorporated decades ago?

Country went bankrupt?

USA is a corporation at this point?

Government is just a collection agency for the corporation?

I don't want to be busted for posting libertarian conspiracy, but chanting along as we tumble down the current path ain't an option for me.

I think it entirely possible things are going very much according to plan for those in power.

We're like a soccer ball being batted by each side down the path of a hidden agenda that seems ever-more apparent.

I'm sad for those who would chant and cheer blindly rather than risk upsetting their fragile view of things by fully opening their eyes.

I didn't trust the government when bush was in power, and that didn't change when Obama was elected.


 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
40. I was looking at the list of names of Pete Peterson's Fix the Debt Leadership and saw this:
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:04 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fix_the_Debt%27s_Leadership

Ed Rendell is a co-chairman of Fix the Debt. In media appearances, he is only introduced as the former Democratic governor of Pennsylvania (2003-2011), yet he has extensive corporate and financial ties.

UNDISCLOSED CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Rendell lobbied for KCI USA, a wound care technology company, on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements in 2012. Rendell is special counsel to the law firm Ballard Spahr -- which has been criticized as a union-busting law firm. -- where he focuses on privatization and housing, with an emphasis on infrastructure. Rendell is also a senior adviser at Greenhill & Co., a multinational investment bank. Ninety percent of Greenhill's revenue comes from advisory assignments, including to public officials. Rendell is a strong proponent of "public private partnerships" (PPPs) in infrastructure, which have been criticized as a dubious form of privatization of public assets. Rendell is also on the advisory board of Verdeva, a firm developing technology to track motorists at the gas pump so they can be taxed for infrastructure revenue, an industry-favored measure for developing the income streams they need to finance infrastructure deals. He has also joined the venture capital firm Element Partners as an operating partner. Element Partners recently invested in oil and gas extraction (fracking) from the Marcellus formation.

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TheVisitor

(173 posts)
42. I know this thread is older, but...
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 12:06 PM
Oct 2014

I was looking into this recently and... well, now we all know where private for-profit prison systems came from... and we know that the police can probably also be purchased... because they are funded by the federal government... now you know why all this off the wall shit is happening with cops

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