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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFirst gun control, then chained CPI. Have you realized yet you're being triangulated?
Both classic Third Way/DLC memes. I guess the President really has been listening to ex-SoS Clinton...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Streeters have it right. It's the 99% against the 1% and since they own most of the nation, they are winning.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)One corporate party masquerading as two.
jsr
(7,712 posts)DURHAM D
(32,596 posts)Funny how Clinton was shunned by him in the primaries, oh wait, he was not. Funny how he hired not Cliton people in his , oh wait, he did, he even hired Hillary. Until the day Hillary atones for the way she and Bill gave away the store in the 90's, the DLC label stands.
DURHAM D
(32,596 posts)where he talked about Reagan as the transformative President that he wanted to emulate. Sorry, I didn't make it up.
As for the 90s - Hillary didn't have anything to give away.
DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)when Nafta, the telecom act and Glass Steagall's killing were going on,
and she did not have a senator's term to rebuke them and undo the harm?
pscot
(21,023 posts)as Obama, I have to agree. I hoped Obama was the alternative to the DLC, not just another avatar.
indeed, the symmetry would be perfect, right down to the way the right wing would attaclk her, and then she would attack the left to show she was not a hippie.
pscot
(21,023 posts)She would have had no illusions about bipartisanship or Republican intentions. She's been flame tempered.
DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)There there is no reason she should not be affrimatively saying what positions she would change, would she?
pscot
(21,023 posts)publicly admitting to a change of heart was Willard's daddy. It's a thankless exercise.
Tippy
(4,610 posts)First, Obama has never called Reagan his hero.
Second, you might want to go back and re-watch that video.
Obama is talking about how Reagan was able to speak to the American people in a way that was transformative, getting them to come over to his point of view.
Obama is not claiming he agreed with Reagan or his policies, he is correctly recognizing Reagan's ability to get the people to follow his leadership. And he goes on to say he'd like to be able to do the same thing.
Recognizing Reagan's ability to get people to follow him, or even admiring his ability to do so, does not require one to agree with his policies or actions.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)They seem to have more sense than anyone else in politics.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Of course, I don't listen to Kessler any more than I'd listen to Dianne Feinstein, but he raises interesting points about selling gun control to the general public.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)And that 3rd-Way gun control meme worked out so well for Democratic candidates for the 1994 election that they want to repeat it.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I don't say that to piss off my pro-gun control peers.
I say that because I have come very close to believing it. Close enough to err on the side of Americans keeping all the rights they have now, per the Constitution, rather than cheerfully handing those rights over to an ever-encroaching government.
They can't really fuck us until they take our guns.
so, which militia are you a member of?
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)If you step back from the grand show and take a clear assessment of things, and allow others to do the same, and have the integrity to ask questions, and allow others to do so, rather than engaging in knee-jerk reactions, my belief is that you'll have a much clearer view of reality.
Or you can cheer on as the safety net of the most vulnerable is snipped apart.
pscot
(21,023 posts)and we're being fucked. You guys are hopeless romantics. You seem to believe you're going up against the Sheriff of Nottingham rather than a modern police state. And a lot of gun owners are brownshirt wannabees. You'll kill one another off and the same evil cabal will be left in charge, stronger than ever.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)neverforget
(9,434 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)and hug your guns.
LMAO.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)Actually, I want the ones stolen from us back.
Warpy
(110,913 posts)no matter what sort of a lunatic the Republicans finally agree on (if they can). People are just not going to trust Democrats to be Democrats any more by then.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Try harder.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Sometimes making a lot of noise is the objective. "Look! Over there! It's a robin!"
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Yes, I do want a new supreme court to GRAB your bullets and guns
the sooner the better
today would be nice.
No private person needs one bullet or one gun
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Never met a totalitarian principle you didn't embrace...
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Really, who the hell put you in charge of my self-protection?
You go a bit farther than most gun-grabbing DUers. Why is that? Are you really that extreme?
Do you think we should ban knives after today's attack in TX?
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)The gun issue is about as silly a distraction as a flag-burning amendment. It isn't that guns are not a serious problem, but that the solution set is a dumb circle jerk that doesn't address the problem... but it's got dead children and everyone can personalize it and feel good about themselves.
It is theater.
Meanwhile, we are going to end up being made into Soylent Green without much note or comment as a series of "reasonable compromises" with indefensible positions.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)they are already dead from the gun.
Yes, you are correct,the current MO won't do any real good.
but once one is in the door,...
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...provided that it is "for the children" or will help in their culture war.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Not that it isn't being used as a distraction, or the other stuff is distraction to the gun control clash. Either way, I think there is a goal here. I think the goal is to put as big a dent as possible in the right to keep and bear arms - the RIGHT to do so.
The Newtown tragedy is being used like 9*11 was used - to push a shocked (hopefully) populace, via emotional manipulation, into supporting a quick adoption of new legislation they otherwise might not support. No time to ask questions - we must act fast to prevent such another tragedy.
But Newtown doesn't prove the need for more gun control any more than 9*11 proved the need for warrantless wiretaps. We are merely handing over our freedoms to the government.
Not enough of us stood up and said no in the shadow of 9*11. But it is my belief that so many have seen through the usage of Newtown victims as stage props by an effort to enact still-vague gun restrictions that those efforts are in fact, defeated - gun grabbers looking for a way to safe face as they back away from the hornets nest.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)So that the other baggage they bring along is stymied as well...
Initech
(99,915 posts)We are not the ones in charge anymore. There's far greater more corrupt forces at work that are far more evil than we could ever even begin to understand. Forces that stand for absolute greed. Our elected representatives don't care.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Initech
(99,915 posts)Yeah we'll give you pennies on the dollar in return for owing us your life savings! Woohoo! They said the right thing! We're gonna be rich!!! Let's give these people all our money!!