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First gun control, then chained CPI. Have you realized yet you're being triangulated? (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 OP
We used to place blame on political parties, but the Occupy Wall Cleita Apr 2013 #1
+10000 woo me with science Apr 2013 #19
Both the blue team and the red team work for the same owners jsr Apr 2013 #20
Reagan was his hero, not Clinton. DURHAM D Apr 2013 #2
wow DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #5
There is a video interview with Obama in 2007 or 2008 DURHAM D Apr 2013 #6
so she was just baking cookies DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #7
LOL DURHAM D Apr 2013 #9
If you're arguing she would have been just as bad pscot Apr 2013 #15
yes DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #21
In her defense pscot Apr 2013 #24
humble rebuttal DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #33
The last national pol I can recall pscot Apr 2013 #34
Agree 100and 10% Tippy Apr 2013 #25
Wrong. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #26
If gun control is a Third Way meme, then I really need to study their publications... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #3
Jim Kessler, formerly of Americans for Gun Safety, is now a Third Way consultant derby378 Apr 2013 #30
Yep. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #4
They can't really fuck us until they take our guns. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #8
WTF? jazzimov Apr 2013 #10
It's a differing opinion. You'll be ok. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #12
We're armed to the teeth pscot Apr 2013 #29
Par for the course from that source - but good question! apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #17
What agency is going to disarm 10's of millions of Americans? neverforget Apr 2013 #14
LOL. I think it's time for you to step back into your survival bunker Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #16
I don't want to give up any rights RedstDem Apr 2013 #32
Yes, and it's why the White House is likely to change hands in 2016 Warpy Apr 2013 #11
Um, no. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #28
FUD. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #13
+1. Pretty much nails it. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #18
+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2013 #22
Pretty much. bemildred Apr 2013 #23
Very funny. Attempting to put the insanity of guns in with other issues. Nice try. graham4anything Apr 2013 #27
S-s-s-s-s-s-smackdown! ... eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #31
I love that you're so consistent. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #35
Just goes to show that triangulation works on those unaware they've been targeted... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #36
What gives you the right to decide for me to own or not own a gun? Skip Intro Apr 2013 #38
You are entirely correct, but don't expect strewn flowers cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #37
A person shot dead, doesn't care if they do or don't get turned into Soylent green later on graham4anything Apr 2013 #39
I take it you're unfamiliar with the phrase "made the trains run on time"... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #41
As you can see, gun control advocates will accept damn near anything.... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #40
I think it might be more than a distraction. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #44
Which is why the DLC/Third Way types must be defeated in an obvious way. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #45
I've been saying it since the Bush administration and I'll say it again: Initech Apr 2013 #42
But if they say the right things, they will have cheerleaders even at DU. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #43
Kind of like how a Ponzi scheme works. Initech Apr 2013 #46

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. We used to place blame on political parties, but the Occupy Wall
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:04 PM
Apr 2013

Streeters have it right. It's the 99% against the 1% and since they own most of the nation, they are winning.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
5. wow
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:10 PM
Apr 2013

Funny how Clinton was shunned by him in the primaries, oh wait, he was not. Funny how he hired not Cliton people in his , oh wait, he did, he even hired Hillary. Until the day Hillary atones for the way she and Bill gave away the store in the 90's, the DLC label stands.

DURHAM D

(32,596 posts)
6. There is a video interview with Obama in 2007 or 2008
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:14 PM
Apr 2013

where he talked about Reagan as the transformative President that he wanted to emulate. Sorry, I didn't make it up.

As for the 90s - Hillary didn't have anything to give away.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
7. so she was just baking cookies
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:17 PM
Apr 2013

when Nafta, the telecom act and Glass Steagall's killing were going on,
and she did not have a senator's term to rebuke them and undo the harm?

pscot

(21,023 posts)
15. If you're arguing she would have been just as bad
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:44 PM
Apr 2013

as Obama, I have to agree. I hoped Obama was the alternative to the DLC, not just another avatar.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
21. yes
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:34 AM
Apr 2013

indeed, the symmetry would be perfect, right down to the way the right wing would attaclk her, and then she would attack the left to show she was not a hippie.

pscot

(21,023 posts)
24. In her defense
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:24 AM
Apr 2013

She would have had no illusions about bipartisanship or Republican intentions. She's been flame tempered.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
33. humble rebuttal
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:53 PM
Apr 2013

There there is no reason she should not be affrimatively saying what positions she would change, would she?

pscot

(21,023 posts)
34. The last national pol I can recall
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:29 PM
Apr 2013

publicly admitting to a change of heart was Willard's daddy. It's a thankless exercise.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
26. Wrong.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:28 AM
Apr 2013

First, Obama has never called Reagan his hero.

Second, you might want to go back and re-watch that video.

Obama is talking about how Reagan was able to speak to the American people in a way that was transformative, getting them to come over to his point of view.

Obama is not claiming he agreed with Reagan or his policies, he is correctly recognizing Reagan's ability to get the people to follow his leadership. And he goes on to say he'd like to be able to do the same thing.

Recognizing Reagan's ability to get people to follow him, or even admiring his ability to do so, does not require one to agree with his policies or actions.

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
3. If gun control is a Third Way meme, then I really need to study their publications...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:06 PM
Apr 2013

They seem to have more sense than anyone else in politics.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
30. Jim Kessler, formerly of Americans for Gun Safety, is now a Third Way consultant
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:36 AM
Apr 2013

Of course, I don't listen to Kessler any more than I'd listen to Dianne Feinstein, but he raises interesting points about selling gun control to the general public.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
4. Yep.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:08 PM
Apr 2013

And that 3rd-Way gun control meme worked out so well for Democratic candidates for the 1994 election that they want to repeat it.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
8. They can't really fuck us until they take our guns.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:18 PM
Apr 2013

I don't say that to piss off my pro-gun control peers.

I say that because I have come very close to believing it. Close enough to err on the side of Americans keeping all the rights they have now, per the Constitution, rather than cheerfully handing those rights over to an ever-encroaching government.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
12. It's a differing opinion. You'll be ok.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:38 PM
Apr 2013

If you step back from the grand show and take a clear assessment of things, and allow others to do the same, and have the integrity to ask questions, and allow others to do so, rather than engaging in knee-jerk reactions, my belief is that you'll have a much clearer view of reality.

Or you can cheer on as the safety net of the most vulnerable is snipped apart.



pscot

(21,023 posts)
29. We're armed to the teeth
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:34 AM
Apr 2013

and we're being fucked. You guys are hopeless romantics. You seem to believe you're going up against the Sheriff of Nottingham rather than a modern police state. And a lot of gun owners are brownshirt wannabees. You'll kill one another off and the same evil cabal will be left in charge, stronger than ever.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
11. Yes, and it's why the White House is likely to change hands in 2016
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:29 PM
Apr 2013

no matter what sort of a lunatic the Republicans finally agree on (if they can). People are just not going to trust Democrats to be Democrats any more by then.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
27. Very funny. Attempting to put the insanity of guns in with other issues. Nice try.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:28 AM
Apr 2013

Yes, I do want a new supreme court to GRAB your bullets and guns
the sooner the better

today would be nice.

No private person needs one bullet or one gun

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
38. What gives you the right to decide for me to own or not own a gun?
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:01 PM
Apr 2013

Really, who the hell put you in charge of my self-protection?

You go a bit farther than most gun-grabbing DUers. Why is that? Are you really that extreme?

Do you think we should ban knives after today's attack in TX?

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
37. You are entirely correct, but don't expect strewn flowers
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 10:57 PM
Apr 2013

The gun issue is about as silly a distraction as a flag-burning amendment. It isn't that guns are not a serious problem, but that the solution set is a dumb circle jerk that doesn't address the problem... but it's got dead children and everyone can personalize it and feel good about themselves.

It is theater.

Meanwhile, we are going to end up being made into Soylent Green without much note or comment as a series of "reasonable compromises" with indefensible positions.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
39. A person shot dead, doesn't care if they do or don't get turned into Soylent green later on
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:04 PM
Apr 2013

they are already dead from the gun.

Yes, you are correct,the current MO won't do any real good.

but once one is in the door,...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
40. As you can see, gun control advocates will accept damn near anything....
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:12 PM
Apr 2013

...provided that it is "for the children" or will help in their culture war.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
44. I think it might be more than a distraction.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:19 PM
Apr 2013

Not that it isn't being used as a distraction, or the other stuff is distraction to the gun control clash. Either way, I think there is a goal here. I think the goal is to put as big a dent as possible in the right to keep and bear arms - the RIGHT to do so.

The Newtown tragedy is being used like 9*11 was used - to push a shocked (hopefully) populace, via emotional manipulation, into supporting a quick adoption of new legislation they otherwise might not support. No time to ask questions - we must act fast to prevent such another tragedy.

But Newtown doesn't prove the need for more gun control any more than 9*11 proved the need for warrantless wiretaps. We are merely handing over our freedoms to the government.

Not enough of us stood up and said no in the shadow of 9*11. But it is my belief that so many have seen through the usage of Newtown victims as stage props by an effort to enact still-vague gun restrictions that those efforts are in fact, defeated - gun grabbers looking for a way to safe face as they back away from the hornets nest.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
45. Which is why the DLC/Third Way types must be defeated in an obvious way.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:51 PM
Apr 2013

So that the other baggage they bring along is stymied as well...

Initech

(99,915 posts)
42. I've been saying it since the Bush administration and I'll say it again:
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:15 PM
Apr 2013

We are not the ones in charge anymore. There's far greater more corrupt forces at work that are far more evil than we could ever even begin to understand. Forces that stand for absolute greed. Our elected representatives don't care.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
46. Kind of like how a Ponzi scheme works.
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:53 PM
Apr 2013

Yeah we'll give you pennies on the dollar in return for owing us your life savings! Woohoo! They said the right thing! We're gonna be rich!!! Let's give these people all our money!!

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